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Heavy, Heavier, Metal

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So as someone who listened to lots of noise from county, folk songs, to modern day stuff, through the seventies and eighties, I believe I have a solid understanding what it sounds like when you got somethin that cripples the peaceful surface of your soul and you love it. Yep that`s heavy metal, from Black Sabbath, Dio, DC, `Tallica, Maiden, Megadeth, Motorhead, Death, Sepultura, Rage against the machine, Soundgarden, Tyrant, Violent force, Overkill, Arch enemy, The scorpions, Slayer, even Marilyn Manson...ring a bell? Hahaha yeah The ultimate noise makers, I like a lot of a lot of genres, but what made the stereotype that all of em are satanists? Is it the lyrics? Or the harsh and beast like sounds? Or was it people like "I wish I could play like that..." ? Not saying that metal is all there is, but I`m kind of interested how it all became evil?

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Music is like art... many diverse groups everyone has their Favs and Un favs... Many who don't understand metal determine It must be Evil... even if the lyrics were not there... a lot through its complexity... people always resort to grouping into a mass that tries to determine good and evil... one thing I see is hypocrisy...if I don't like it, it's too complex for me to do, or just jealousy.. they manage to get on a bandwagon form a group and focus on what is wrong with it... I mean intellect will tell you if you don't like something just walk away, or don't do it... it is never an invitation to get on a soapbox, band a group of like-minded people together and form a Lynch Mob... it may be you the next mob comes after...We are diverse so don't try complicating matters by forcing others into "Your Unity" that's oppression... and can end up a two-way street...easy solution walk away... alternative solution... " JUST FREIKEN WEAR EAR PLUGS' there should be a Right to Rock Freedom clause

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I had a friend who worked with an extremely religious fundamentalist christian who wouldn't even listen to ENYA [of all singers] because not all of her lyrics were in English and she "might be saying something bad."

 

<sigh>

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Sad ... and sick ... but Usually when those type Revert from Converting...they literally go from one extreme to the other...and make up for lost fun and time...:facepalm::lmao:

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"It started in the late seventies when the younger generation started getting away from the hippie songs of their parents/older siblings and started to embrace the heavier music of Led Zeppland, Judas Priest etc etc.  

But it came to a head in the mid eighties when Tipper Gore founded the diabolical propaganda machine known as Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) and their infamous Filthy Fifteen list. They are the group that is directly responsible for instituiting the explicit lyric sticker that prevented anyone under 18 from purchasing music they deemed obscene."  

This was fueled by the Christian movement that deemed bands like Ozzy Osbourne, Black Sabbath, satanic.  They claimed that if you listened to certain songs by these artists backwards, they had hidden meanings and urged the easily impressionable youth to suicide, murder, and rape. It got so bad in the mid eighties that famous rock stars of the era had to go before the Senate of the United States and defend their music. Several bands were sued due to claims that kids listened to the songs and then killed themselves.

If you want to delve more into this crazy time, look up on YouTube Dee Snider testify before the Senate and the video is pretty eye opening. 

For those of us that are old enough to live through that time period, it was pretty crazy. 

So of this information was taken from the below article. 

 

https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/r3za83/satanic-panic-interviews

 

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57 minutes ago, Jason Rimbaud said:

"It started in the late seventies when the younger generation started getting away from the hippie songs of their parents/older siblings and started to embrace the heavier music of Led Zeppland, Judas Priest etc etc.  

But it came to a head in the mid eighties when Tipper Gore founded the diabolical propaganda machine known as Parents Music Resource Center (PMRC) and their infamous Filthy Fifteen list. They are the group that is directly responsible for instituiting the explicit lyric sticker that prevented anyone under 18 from purchasing music they deemed obscene."  

This was fueled by the Christian movement that deemed bands like Ozzy Osbourne, Black Sabbath, satanic.  They claimed that if you listened to certain songs by these artists backwards, they had hidden meanings and urged the easily impressionable youth to suicide, murder, and rape. It got so bad in the mid eighties that famous rock stars of the era had to go before the Senate of the United States and defend their music. Several bands were sued due to claims that kids listened to the songs and then killed themselves.

If you want to delve more into this crazy time, look up on YouTube Dee Snider testify before the Senate and the video is pretty eye opening. 

For those of us that are old enough to live through that time period, it was pretty crazy. 

So of this information was taken from the below article. 

 

https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/r3za83/satanic-panic-interviews

 

J

Nice addition to the blog...playing Metal myself with an opening band for years... I was honored to meet different Artist, D,ee Snyder, Ozzie, Manson, just a few and some less aggressive Rockers also with Foreigner, Meatloaf, Dr.Hook, Little Riverbend, even Kiss...I can say yes they may have been partiers and seemed to the world weird and possessed but... But all that set aside looking at their character they were a bunch of great, passionate caring guys who gave a lot to many different charities...did many anonymous gifts and free concert and showings for many, many, many great causes...which was faaaaaaaar more than most of the churches have(had)done...Dee still to this day has done benefits and bike rallies for different causes...and many of the churches who were against all of them way back when are gone...!!! As well as the ones doing the badmouthing... Just a little side bar...😊😊

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Lol so that's how it all started. Dumb people with their dumb and boxed up politics..mankind... . Figures. 

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48 minutes ago, Szabi said:

Lol so that's how it all started. Dumb people with their dumb and boxed up politics..mankind... . Figures. 

Well, not sure...but it didn't help any...I mean this mean, nasty world jumps at opportunities... To point and take time to make others look worse so they don't look rotten...😂😂meanwhile, the monster lurks to pounce.... On the real idiots...🤔😎😁😁

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54 minutes ago, Szabi said:

Them I hope, 😂🤣😂

hmmm. I don't know...??:unsure2: could be waiting to pounce on Me...?????:blink:

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The irony in all this is that the guys in Black Sabbath are basically all of them Christians... And, like, why would you make music that paints satan and the occult as dark and scary if you were a satanist? Like, if you want to turn people into satanists you paint it as something good, right? Not to mention that satanists are basically humanists who believe in magic... :P 

 

I was a huuuuuuge heavy metal fan in my teens. Growing up in Norway, and being from Finland, it was basically impossible not to be exposed. I was never a fan of the black metal stuff (Mayhem, Dimmu Borgir, all those guys) though I enjoy some death metal, like Opeth. I was always in the power metal part of things, especially the somewhat symphonic stuff. Rhapsody, Blind Guardian, Nightwish, stuff like that. And of course I loved Metallica, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath and a whole bunch of others. Now I prefer the stuff that leans more toward hard rock rather than heavy metal. My tastes changed for the lighter, and these days I actually listen more to indie rock. :P 

 

Not quite sure I'd agree that Soundgarden is metal, though you're not the first to refer to them as such. I mean, they're part of the grunge movement, with Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Alice in Chains, that lot. Also music I have deeply loved.

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Hmmm. good point...a lot of groups Like Pearl Jam, Nirvana... and such are More the New Metal... we had it good the older groups were More Artist than so today... they had Hurdles to cross and laid Foundations that Are with New Technology not as needed...But they were Disciplined in their cause and worked, and played Hard... too much comes to easy Now... Music is less skill and More digital... We will never have the groups we grew up with after they are gone...!!! I heard and I am sure you have that Maiden is retiring... sad not to take anything from the newer groups they are good and have their place too... just not quite the same... maybe I am Bias...??? Soundgarden Yeah I see what you are saying there...!

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Yeah bloody shame. They posted something about possibly retiring.. Possibly . After reading the thing it sounds more like probably. 

 

Hey why can't Justin Bieber retire... He makes us gay people look straight.

Why do the good ones always have to go first.... Uhhh stupid world it is. 

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When Deep Purple are touring, you'd think Maiden could keep it up for another few years. That said, much as I enjoy most of their stuff, I prefer Maiden's first two albums...

 

Still vehemently disagree that grunge is a sub-genre of metal, though. 

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