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Damn FDA and Blood Bankist


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Well today was a the first blood drive for my school. My pre-idea that i wouldnt be able to give blood came true. It reminded me of a scene in a TV show.I was unable to give blood beacuase under FDA regulation if you have sex with another male, you can not donate blood. This sucked although i understand why they did it, it still descrimatory. At least it was confendetial when they did it.Jules

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Jules,

 

There are all kinds if things I could say right now, like "It's the thought that counts" or "Well at least you tried", but I guess I'm sorry will have to do. I am grateful that you are the type of amazing human being who would give of himself to help others in need. A truly special guy...

 

Thanks,

Viv

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part of me would love to ask the very helpful (hopefully old) lady that gives me the list of guidelines .."Well, my wife and I had a threesome with her boyfriend at the time, well, she wasn't actually my wife yet, and I sucked his cock, but he never came in or on me. Does that count as having sex with a man?"

 

:king: Snow Dog

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Hey Jules,

 

Your generosity is admirable. Don't lose it or be discouraged by the policy!

 

The policy *is* discriminatory, but at the same time there's a reasonable public health justification for it. Even though they test the blood before putting it into the bank, the test is NOT PERFECT. No test is. There is always some failure rate, both false positives and false negatives. False positives cause them to throw blood away needlessly, but at least that doesn't endanger anybody. However, false negatives cause them to mistakenly think the blood is safe, put it in the blood bank, and eventually give it to someone. That *does* endanger someone.

 

Since no test is perfect, someone will eventually become HIV+ through transfusions. However, they can try to make that number as small as possible, and the way they do that is by the screening questionnaire. If they can exclude people who are at high risk of HIV/AIDS, then they reduce the number of potential positive samples that they feed to an imperfect test, and thus reduce the number of potential false negative results.

 

Since men who have sex with men (MSM) still represent about half of all HIV/AIDS cases, excluding all MSMs would cut the number of HIV+ donations by ~50%. That's a significant reduction. At the same time, since we represent only ~2-3% of the population, it does not significantly reduce the total number of donations. So that's why they do what they do.

 

That's not the only question they ask, BTW, so it's not just MSMs that are singled out. They ask about any other STDs, needles (tattoos, acupuncture included), any kind of hepatitis, travel to certain places (you might think they would ask about AIDS-ridden Africa, but they're also concerned about mad cow places, like the UK and various western european countries too).

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part of me would love to ask the very helpful (hopefully old) lady that gives me the list of guidelines .."Well, my wife and I had a threesome with her boyfriend at the time, well, she wasn't actually my wife yet, and I sucked his cock, but he never came in or on me.  Does that count as having sex with a man?"

 

:king: Snow Dog

 

Snow Dog...the dumb ass rule is that if you are Gay and had sexual relations with another Guy within the last five years, you can't give blood.....thank you W for another regulation designed to target gays..now for those heterosexuals that may have STDs..well come on down....in George Bush World, your blood is welcome.....just not from Gays....Gays need not apply!

 

Michael

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part of me would love to ask the very helpful (hopefully old) lady that gives me the list of guidelines .."Well, my wife and I had a threesome with her boyfriend at the time, well, she wasn't actually my wife yet, and I sucked his cock, but he never came in or on me.  Does that count as having sex with a man?"

 

:king: Snow Dog

 

Snow Dog...the dumb ass rule is that if you are Gay and had sexual relations with another Guy within the last five years, you can't give blood.....thank you W for another regulation designed to target gays..now for those heterosexuals that may have STDs..well come on down....in George Bush World, your blood is welcome.....just not from Gays....Gays need not apply!

 

Michael

The way the American Red Cross puts it (guidelines revised 3/21/05) American Red Cross Donor Guidelines -- HIV/AIDS

"You should not give blood if you have AIDS or have ever had a positive HIV test, or if you have done something that puts you at risk for becoming infected with HIV.

 

You are at risk for getting infected if you:

[...]

are a male who has had sexual contact with another male, even once, since 1977

[...]"

 

Now, the guidelines are written in a manner that is not the same as the questionare that they give you, but the 1977 is quite specific, and remember it from my autologus blood donation (donated to myself pre-surgical, so the question was moot)

 

now, I have had 'sexual contact' with another male and it was definitely after I was 10 years old. My point got back to the issue of making blanket generalizations because they don;t want to offend the rich blue-haired donors by talking about anal sex and blood play.

 

:king: Snow Dog

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Hey Jules, you're new entry (the questionnaire one) isn't accepting replies. Is there a setting to change?

 

 

Rocket--??? Those policies LONG predated Bush.

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Snow Dog...the dumb ass rule is that if you are Gay and had sexual relations with another Guy within the last five years, you can't give blood.....thank you W for another regulation designed to target gays..now for those heterosexuals that may have STDs..well come on down....in George Bush World, your blood is welcome.....just not from Gays....Gays need not apply!

 

Michael

 

The blood donation rules long predated Bush. This is not something you can put on Bush.

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Hey Jules, you're new entry (the questionnaire one) isn't accepting replies.  Is there a setting to change?

 

 

Rocket--??? Those policies LONG predated Bush.

 

I am not referring to the American Red Cross Policies.

 

I am referring to the fact that in 2005 the Deparment of Health and Human Services adopted formal federal regulations (so now its official federal government policy) that if you are a Gay man and have had sexual intercourse with another man, then you can't give blood...

 

That is far different then a private organizations rules..it is now official government policy.

 

Michael

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