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  2. Dipped in Mud A slice of life, written under the impression of the flooding in my country.
  3. Wiler's House A short adventure involving a duo ransacking an abandoned home.
  4. I asked this in a fanfiction facebook group, so I thought I would ask it here too. This may be repetitious since I think I asked about it before. I was wanted to know how gay/bi men approach their (gay-themed) fanfiction differently that women do. A lot of fanfiction is written by women, who seem really interested in gay men. So maybe you all can help me (I am writing this for a blog post) and give me some insight. First of all, why are women writing gay fiction in the first place. What is it about gay stories/men that have you so interested? Second, what is it about being gay (or bi) that informs your stories that is different from what women (in all of their female varieties) bring to their stories. Third, are they any specific tropes that could be identified as particularly gay/bi male, and others notably heterosexual or female? That seems a bit sexist, interpret it how you wish. I am still floundering around here, trying to figure out what to think. Any suggestions?
  5. Tag - Viral Video Most people who make it big on Tik Tok or YouTube work hard to become viral. Unfortunately your video went viral for all the wrong reasons with two and a half million views. What is your video about?
  6. Tag - List of Words Use the following words in a story - a storm, a broken fence, a scared dog, a flash light, and an old typewriter.
  7. Thanks for the suggestion and the link to the free ebooks for Special Forces. She has other books including Deliverance (spin-off to Special Forces) on Amazon's Kindle, but nothing on Audible, so it will likely take me a little longer than my customary 8-12 hours of listening to go through her free ebook. https://www.amazon.com/Marquesate/e/B007FHNBBG/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_ebooks_2 I'm glad you're approaching abusive relationships with candor; I do prefer a happy ending in my gay romances to contrast with the bleak reality that exists More complex romances are still a limited or even taboo subject, if the two lovers of a gay romance are both still in love, sane, unaffected by grief or circumstance, and non-abusive. I think that might be something I'll play around with. Heterosexual romances have played with the concept about finding fulfillment in life and love, so why should gay romance not have similar goals for its characters Two people who truly love one another, but cannot fulfill the others needs is an interesting concept. If you want the antithesis to gay romance (the photo negative), A Little Life by Hanya Yanagihara outlined various concepts of gay romance and had wonderful characters who could have had HEA, but she gut-wrenchingly (like a nuclear weapon) in her book tore down everything and everyone, ending with the main character's self-loathing, depression, and loneliness causing his suicide (There's no happy Heaven, no hope for the future, just endless loss and regret). I can't really read that book from beginning to end, but read it piecemeal, its the liquid nitrogen to the hot gay romance genre. However, I read it, because it represents the opposite of the genre without being anti-gay/homophobic, it is love, hopeless unfulfilled need, and tragedy in an inhumane world with an uncaring creator.
  8. Her books are available on Amazon, and I remember reading one time that her books were available on kindle. You can actually read Special Forces for free on her website, as well as Deliverance, which is a companion story. Here's the link... http://www.marquesate.org/free-reading.html As far as abuse in gay marriage, I wrote an anthology piece about that very subject. It's not very long... here's the link in case you're interested...
  9. Nice pick, I wish I she had more online presence though, Special Forces isn't on Kindle and Audible doesn't have any of her books Another new theme I am noticing in gay romance is the additional of abusive former gay partners, I am glad the topic is getting brought up, too. Gay spouses may be new, but it's not like being gay means that your partner can't be abusive, physically or emotionally. In Sci-Fi, I recently reviewed Winter's Orbit by Everina Maxwell, which highlights this theme in a breathtaking universe of intrigue and space operatics. On the contemporary gay romance front, a novel I read recently sparked the same issue again Reunion by Lynn Van Dorn, about the lives of two former gay high school lovers, who split apart due to secrets and a horrible gay bashing. There's a HFN ending, but the story's depiction of a gay spouse psychologically abusing his partner into being suppliant/perfect obedient mate, my heart just sank.
  10. Marquesate can be included here too. She's an Irish writer who writes gut-wrenching(in a good way), no-holds-barred military gay fiction which, in some ways, is far removed from typical romance, yet the romance is very much there. Special Forces is a tour de force that covers decades. Cheers!
  11. Leta Blake and Keira Andrews would disagree with you They have a lot of kinks in their story, not just BDSM stuff either. Leta Blake for instance incorporated "breath-play" and roleplaying in Will and Patrick series in book 4, which were incredibly hot as gay sex scenes go. If you want to get a large buffet of kink and gay romance, I suggest Nora Phoenix as her gay relationships are really good, along with her plots. In terms of GA writers, I've got no issues with writing about kink, if all participants enjoy it, there's no reason why writers shouldn't include it. Some gay and bi guys enjoy toys, some are orally fixated and others prefer hands/touch, and there's even folks who prefer biting (without going into vampire fiction). None of it violates our rules, it's all consensual and age appropriate, so it's a matter of personal preference and willingness to explore your personal interests. I can provide a few books if you want to read gay romance writers who enjoy kinks, it's not outside mainstream anymore, just a sub-genre that people mislabel sometimes mistakenly label as BDSM
  12. I started working on a new project for a blog post on my web page. I am making a list of gay and bi-writers who are male and write Supernatural (the T.V. show) fanfiction and including links to their fanfiction. A lot of fanfiction is written my women, but I am interested in what the guys are doing. Both as romance (such as Destiel) but also other genres: action, drama, paranormal, thriller, etc... Does anyone have any ideas about who I should include? Maybe it will get them more attention. The writers should be openly known as men and have revealed their gender and sexuality publicly. Some guys who write fanfiction don't want readers to know they are men and write under pseudonyms to protect their identity. I did not want to out any author that does not want their gender known. If you are a gay/bi male writer of Supernatural fanfiction and want to be included, tell me and give me your link. I have not posted yet, I am still writing. Here are my criteria: Must be a gay or bisexual male (or trans) writing supernatural fanfiction (I am curious how their fiction is different from women writers). The fanfiction should be gay-themed (I suspect most will be Destiel stories, but other romantic combinations are welcome too: Sam/Gabriel, Adam/Michael are good too) Not smut. Stories can have sexual content, but not sex for the sake of sex. Stories that are romance, adventure, paranormal, thrillers, ect. So far this list is turning out to be pretty short, which surprises me. the same people keep getting nominated over and over: notably Bendingsignpost and Bob Wess. Both are great. Can you think of anyone else? Does anyone have any nominations and links?
  13. I haven't thought it all the way through, yet. Here's a start, though: it's a given that we are all human beings, so our basic psychology is the same. Yet heterosexual mores since the invention of agriculture are premised on the need to ensure that men know who their children are, hence all the customs by which men dominate and restrict women and hedge in their sexuality. Gay men and women, on the other hand—while historically pressured to do their reproductive duty to their society (marginal cultures can't afford to let anyone off the hook, if they want to survive)—meet one another more as equals. This makes, I think, for a very different set of relationship challenges, since there are no pre-defined roles to slot into. My ex and I found it both liberating and scary to have to invent the pattern of our relationship as we went along, yet watching my sister, a strong woman, negotiate the cultural expectations involved in her romantic relationships with the men in her life actually made me glad for the lack of a cultural template for his and my relationship. Now, some of the expectations of the romance genre are pretty hard to escape. In fact the genre is pretty much defined by the need for the two main characters to achieve monogamous couplehood. Whether this should really be the case in gay romantic fiction is a question we don't seem to think about, though perhaps we should. But even within the constraints of the genre as currently defined, there is a lot more room for diversity of thought and outlook. Surely, making at least some gay male characters be a lot more promiscuous before settling down would make stories truer to real life. A lot of men, gay or straight, are not naturally monogamous (though of course many others are), and exploring the reasons for a man's deciding to quit playing the field and settle down might well make for a compelling story. Moreover, the fact that procreation is off the table for a same-sex couple means that their sexual practices can be a lot more diverse. In real life, this frees each couple to form their own understanding of what constitutes "real sex" and "making love" in the context of their relationship, and the logical consequence for m/m romance is that the genre's relentless focus on anal sex as the culmination of two men's sexual relations is unrealistic and not essential to the genre. There also seems to be a taboo against incorporating some of the kinkier sexual practices gay men get up to into stories, though I'm not sure why this should be. Have writers tried this and found that stories about characters with sexual kinks aren't romantic, or something? I've also known constellations of friends who were sexual partners, as well. While they didn't define themselves as being in a group marriage, they essentially were, and seemed happy together. Wouldn't that make for a nice, genre-confounding happy ending, too? I've read some really good stories about gay menages à trois, so I know it can be done. Anyway, these are the sorts of thoughts rattling around in my brain at the moment.
  14. These ideas are the seeds for new stories just waiting to germinate. They’ll come to you forever. It’s too bad we have such a limited time to get to them all and cultivate them.
  15. Thank you. I appreciate it. I think you are right, it might be better to distinguish between heterosexual and gay tropes instead of female vs. male. I have been thinking about working on another essay that tries to explain that distinction, but I also wonder if such a distinction really exist? You have seem to have given this a lot of thought, and I appreciate your comments. When I look back at all those trope i listed, It seems like all of them in some way or another could be labeled as heterosexual/straight since they ultimately seem to derive from a heterosexual perspective. What would be a trope that would derive for a gay expectation or imagination that has not been transposed from straight culture? Just promiscuity?
  16. This is a very good essay, and it explains why I've found a lot of the m/m romance I've looked at to be very unsatisfying. I am on record on this site as decrying the unrealistic depiction of gay men in a lot of fiction, and I don't mean to say that heterosexual women writers cannot get into the psychology of gay men and write them realistically, just that the m/m romances I've read appear to have been written by authors who didn't choose to do so. If, as you say, m/m romance is mostly written by heterosexual women for other heterosexual women and is basically a vehicle for their fantasies, that explains what I've picked up on, and it means that the genre is not for me, since I don't share those fantasies. By contrast, m/m romances by men are often preoccupied with surface appearances and raw sex. This reflects the fact that men's sexuality is visually stimulated, and that gay guys have few qualms about seeking out sex and are more likely to connect with other gay guys than straight guys are with women (the gay men of my acquaintance have lifetime sexual contact numbers that are ten to a hundred times those of the straight men I've talked to about this). It's not that gay men can't be monogamous, but that the social pressure to be so in the gay community is far, far weaker. (I once read an article by an early gay rights advocate who asserted that it was the duty of all gay men to sleep around as much as possible, in order to fight the patriarchy.) Gay male writers appear to have their own set of fantasies, quite a few of which were satirized by Graeme in his hysterically funny short story, "My Roommate's Gay." A number of the sites I've discovered while looking around the Interwebz are are preoccupied with the travails and triumphs of thirteen-year-old boys (apparently it's the age at which many gay writers think their lives started drifting off course; they may not be entirely wrong). I just wish I'd met my true love at that age and had had even a tenth of the sexual stamina of these fictional boys. In any case, it is the skill and goals of the writer that are at issue. A writer capable of getting into people's heads is going to write good, realistic fiction and avoid clichés. I'm not so sure the tropes you list in your essay are so much "female" as "heterosexual." The fundamental notion is that there is a dominant sex and a submissive sex (or, in gay terms, some people are doms and some are subs), and that there is one "real" type of sex, in comparison to which all other types of sex are either secondary or unreal. This makes a certain type of sense, from the point of view of a heterosexual couple trying to conceive a child (and I imagine it's the reason William Clinton tried to assert that a blowjob wasn't "real sex"), and it also makes sense that gay writers imitating m/m romances written by heterosexual women might carry over some of these notions into their own writing. The contrary view, however, was expressed by the sex columnist Dan Savage a number of years ago: the more types of sex we consider "real" and "hot," the more real, hot sex we are likely to have. Likewise, submission and dominance are complicated issues, and the dominant partner overall may be the submissive one in bed. Likewise, as our lesbian sisters can tell us, who penetrates whom has nothing to do with who's in charge during sex. BTW, the Elderly Woman Advocate is popular and can be overdone, though I have enjoyed quite a few stories with such a character. She has her real-life counterparts in the lives of many gay men, though not always so "elderly." In my case, as for many of my friends, it was my mother, who was a force to reckon with. She laid down the law to her conservative Baptist family and demanded that they treat me well. It worked; whatever they may (still) be saying behind my back, they've never inflicted their homophobia or their religious prejudices on me directly. And of course, the younger generation's attitudes are a lot less hateful to begin with.
  17. At least I know how it was going to end. Kind of romantic. Hope some day you will finish it. By the way, I started to make a list of gay and bi male writers of Supernatural fan fiction, and included you on the list. I am making a new list post for my website. Do you know of anyone I should include? I have not posted it yet, still writing. Here are my criteria: Must be gay or bisexual male writing supernatural fanfiction (I am curious how their fiction is different from women writers). The fanfiction should be gay themed (I suspect most will be Destiel stories, but other romantic combinations are welcome too: Sam/Gabriel, Adam/Michael are good too) Not smut. Stories can have sexual content, but not sex for the sake of sex. Stories that are romance, adventure, paranormal, thrillers, ect. I have a feeling this list might end up being longer that I expect it to be.
  18. And Here's a new one to the list, freshly abandonned: Experimental Fan-fiction isn't my forte and sadly there was no audience for it. So here's the spoilers on what would have happened in the story if I did continue: -They confront the Demon from the Sinister movie franchise, aka Boogeyman, who manipulates kids to kill their entire families and kidnaps them into his hell realm of visual memory, in the form of 8mm home movies that can never be destroyed. -Adam and Michael already have a relationship tighter than boyfriends or a lot of partners, but they aren't "perfect". I wanted to explore the concepts of co-habitation and living with someone you intimately know, but don't actually know. You can sleep with someone for years, but still be strangers. -Sex between them is not akin to masturbation despite them sharing one body, human physical needs and celestial needs are very different according to the lore within the TV show. -Alternate Bobby Singer will be akin to main universe Bobby's character to Sam and Dean, a mentor and father figure to Adam, while holding a deep unsettled grudge towards Michael for his views on "angel"-superiority. For non-fans of the show, Alternate Bobby singer came from an alternate universe, where without Sam/Dean, Michael defeated Lucifer and rules as a dictator with his Angels, hunting humans in a genocidal war. I want to explore the themes of Reconciliation and possibly some Holocaust themes through their interaction. A lot of rich story could have been made here. -My epilogue will flash-forward to the final scene of Michael in the TV show, but unbeknownst to Sam/Dean/Castiel/Jack, Michael knew their plan to set him up and trick God/Chuck through him, he allowed it and hid that part of himself, the last traces of humanity from Adam. He's making a noble sacrifice in the end, but doesn't need anyone to acknowledge or mourn for him as a hero anymore, he's done with seeking glory or approval. He just wanted to give meaning to his life and that of Adam, bit players on a stage perhaps they were and through their time together they became far more than even God himself. It's a poetic note to end that characters can surpass their authors ----------- Anyway, those were my notes for what this story could have been @cehammock, if you were wondering that's how I'd continue the story and ended it
  19. @jamessavikI love the concept and stories about Military BRATs Some Romance stories I read about them comes in this flavor: Standard lonely guy who is trying to find someone to have deep relationship with, but can never bring himself to commit. Not a bad main character, just one that has no way of escaping hellish cycle of friendship, trysts, and endings. Usually, his circumstance is the villain/conflict of the story, not a character. If these characters are forced to stay in a normal setting, it's a fish out of water story. If they continue their journey and meet "the one", it turns into a novel of eulogizing a lover that he could never have. ------- Would be a fun read if someone can create a decent story with HEA or HFN ending.
  20. Although I haven't read much about them, Military BRATs offer a writer great dramatic opportunities. Their lives and mobility at an early age offers all sorts of hooks for writers. The military life is one where an officer might move every six months. If their family is posted with them, that means the kids have to move into a whole new circle of friends every six months to a year. I was so young when I was a Brat, I don't really remember much about it. I've been looking for stories about this life, but I haven't found many. I encourage other writers to think about the potential of MBs as "the new kid". Think about their psychology and how they could be fascinating. Imagine a new kid who was born on a base in Europe and goes home to the United States, where they've never been before. MBs went to school on bases where they live with German, Spanish and French speakers and may actually be multi-lingual. They may have accents that would really make them stand out. Another aspect of base schools is they are excellent. Much better than the average school in the States. A new Middle School student who was average at a base school would probably be a star student in the states. MBs are like anybody else: they can be good or an asshole. They can rock as a villain because often that mobile life makes them callous and unwilling to get close to others because they know they'll lose them. They can rock as a hero, as they've been places and done things the average kid hasn't. Just add imagination, stir, cook at 350 and see what happens.
  21. Story concept: The idea is based around an imaginary friend, someone you grew up with. Most people grow out of having imaginary friends or talking with themselves, but there are some who don't. We put labels on those guys: "crazy", "nut", and the most modern clean label "mental divergent" for speaking to no one and enjoying their own perceived loneliness. In my story, I am creating a character based on this concept. The twist is, the character meets his imaginary friend, who really does exist. His friend is a disfigured and emotionally detached due to an accident took away his family and permanently disabled him. He grew up usually very quiet and reserved to everyone except to the boy in his head, who constantly speaks with in his head. They have existed in each other's imaginations, since they were young and know the most intimate details about one another. Story Setting: It would be modern. I am thinking College or University setting. The dorm set up is something I've had heard about and thought would be a great way to introduce these distinct guys. Length: Possibly 50K+ words Genre: Science Fiction and Fantasy, the two main characters have a Psi ability, telepathy; one is naturally a receiver and the other is naturally a transmitter, though both can do both. There will be some odd side-characters, major questions about knowledge/information (It wouldn't be my original story if I don't make social commentary), and an intriguing conflict. I'm going to play around in this particular area as telepaths always fascinated me from the time I watched Babylon 5 as a kid. ---------- Anyone interested in this new project?
  22. Has anyone else noticed this recent trope: - An Elderly Woman who serves as the gay couple's advocate: I have read few novel length stories and series where old ladies from neighbors to grandmother to aunts, act as advocates for gay male couples. I like the trope, it's very fairy tales-esque, but I do wonder when did this trend begin and it appears to be very common within the novels I read, so is it just my Amazon algorithm or something more intrinsic? It's an interesting trope I think readers may register with, if you always wanted a female support system, like a grandmother/fairy godmother type figure in your life making sure your love life ends up working out. ------- Anyone else noticed this trope?
  23. "Grabs closest shiny thing and attempts to turn it on" Dang, it needs batteries, should have paid extra for USB charging ----------- You are right, mostly @jamessavik, but writing bitter tragedy nags at me, especially this one. An ending where the main character is stuck, neither alive nor dead, unable to interact with the person he loves as he took his own life in sorrow or interact with the world to stop unfortunate events, knowing death is not allowed for him. This was hell on earth. If I do continue Dreamer without a dream, I won't be able to give my main character a happy ending without divine intervention or Deus Ex Machina explanation with some scientific breakthrough, which doesn't fit this story's tone. Yet, I think I can give absolution from the hell I put him in and offer him a glimpse of something else, a seed of something.
  24. You'll get over it. Just find something new and shiny to play with.

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