Aliens, UFOs and Flying Saucers

[JamesSavik]

24 minutes ago, Bill W said:

Isn't it amazing that after all the years since Roswell the government is finally making this type of investigation public?

Isn't it, though? I guess it's more fun and a good distraction from actually doing work on the grim stuff that's facing our country.

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Like an economy in free fall, collapsing supply chains, disastrous energy policy, hyperinflation, food shortages and a potential conflict with the country that owns the most nuclear weapons in the world.

I enjoy being jerked off as much as the next guy, but not by politicians.

[W_L]

On 5/18/2022 at 11:39 AM, JamesSavik said:

Isn't it, though? I guess it's more fun and a good distraction from actually doing work on the grim stuff that's facing our country.

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Like an economy in free fall, collapsing supply chains, disastrous energy policy, hyperinflation, food shortages and a potential conflict with the country that owns the most nuclear weapons in the world.

I enjoy being jerked off as much as the next guy, but not by politicians.

True, unless it's revealed that there are likely alien spacecraft making interstellar flybys with artificial gravity engines or are offering us the solutions to all the above human issues (without the caveat of them wanting our water, air, other natural resources, or to farm us out like some kind of exotic suckling pig on an alien menu).

Project Blue Book and President Reagan's inquiries in the 1980's had produced similar findings, mostly explainable with several "unexplained" items. Maybe 1-2% of these things are ET's or their probes, like we have drones right now monitoring the African Savannah to study wildlife, it wouldn't be that far-fetched to imagine an equivalent item.

@Bill WAs for Ancient Technology, one of the most fascinating things about ancient world is that a lot of what we take for granted in the modern era, including turbines and batteries were invented thousands of years before European and American tinkerers reinvented them, back in Egypt and East. It wouldn't surprise me that some of what we consider modern was invented before by some unknown inventor, who never got recognition from the leader nor a social structure with the capitalist drive to further advance production methods. Ancient nations like Rome, Persia, and China were too top-heavy with military focus cutting into civilian production outputs, while the gentry and middle class that formed were never able to reach buying power adequate to necessitate domestic production investment versus reliance on the comparative advantages from global trade. 

Part of innovation is the invention, which everyone highlights with glee like Elon Musk and his acolytes. The less desirable part of innovation is the cold hard reality of capitalism, which allows improvements on innovation and mass production, only when you have enough incentive for it.

[Bill W]

1 hour ago, W_L said:

True, unless it's revealed that there are likely alien spacecraft making interstellar flybys with artificial gravity engines or are offering us the solutions to all the above human issues (without the caveat of them wanting our water, air, other natural resources, or to farm us out like some kind of exotic suckling pig on an alien menu).

Project Blue Book and President Reagan's inquiries in the 1980's had produced similar findings, mostly explainable with several "unexplained" items. Maybe 1-2% of these things are ET's or their probes, like we have drones right now monitoring the African Savannah to study wildlife, it wouldn't be that far-fetched to imagine an equivalent item.

@Bill WAs for Ancient Technology, one of the most fascinating things about ancient world is that a lot of what we take for granted in the modern era, including turbines and batteries were invented thousands of years before European and American tinkerers reinvented them, back in Egypt and East. It wouldn't surprise me that some of what we consider modern was invented before by some unknown inventor, who never got recognition from the leader nor a social structure with the capitalist drive to further advance production methods. Ancient nations like Rome, Persia, and China were too top-heavy with military focus cutting into civilian production outputs, while the gentry and middle class that formed were never able to reach buying power adequate to necessitate domestic production investment versus reliance on the comparative advantages from global trade. 

Part of innovation is the invention, which everyone highlights with glee like Elon Musk and his acolytes. The less desirable part of innovation is the cold hard reality of capitalism, which allows improvements on innovation and mass production, only when you have enough incentive for it.

A lot of the accomplishments of Ancient Technologies were lost during the Dark Ages.  Skeletal remains of gladiators' skeletons prove that the Romans had very advanced medical practices for the times, including successful brain surgery.  This can be seen in that the skulls actually showed healing after the injury and surgery.  There are also the engineering accomplishments of the Romans, such as running water and a city-wide sewage system and the famed Roman baths.  Much was also lost when the library at Alexandria burned, including many of the drawings for Archimedes inventions, including the possibility of some that we never learned about.  A French engineer has also postulated that the ramps for the pyramids were internal, not external, to the structure.  Then there's the Bagdad battery, as well as the image of what might be a giant lightbulb drawn on the walls of an Egyptian Temple.  How much more was lost that we had to rediscover or reinvent later?  And did the ancients come up with all of those ideas on their own, or did they have help?  And will we ever know?  

[JamesSavik]

I've seen this play before. They've thrown this bone out several times to distract the hounds. Usually when they needed the public and opposition pols to look the other way. Something is afoot, and it sure isn't aliens.

[Bill W]

There are more thing in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.    Wm. Shakespeare

[W_L]

8 hours ago, Bill W said:

A lot of the accomplishments of Ancient Technologies were lost during the Dark Ages.  Skeletal remains of gladiators' skeletons prove that the Romans had very advanced medical practices for the times, including successful brain surgery.  This can be seen in that the skulls actually showed healing after the injury and surgery.  There are also the engineering accomplishments of the Romans, such as running water and a city-wide sewage system and the famed Roman baths.  Much was also lost when the library at Alexandria burned, including many of the drawings for Archimedes inventions, including the possibility of some that we never learned about.  A French engineer has also postulated that the ramps for the pyramids were internal, not external, to the structure.  Then there's the Bagdad battery, as well as the image of what might be a giant lightbulb drawn on the walls of an Egyptian Temple.  How much more was lost that we had to rediscover or reinvent later?  And did the ancients come up with all of those ideas on their own, or did they have help?  And will we ever know?  

Aye, one of the arguments skeptics have had against this stuff is that there's not enough proof even if these discoveries were made by ancient peoples. They believed that surely we'd seen far larger applications of electricity and medical techniques. I think the issue with them is that they are too focused on comparisons between 20th-21st century applications of these technologies on a mass scale versus the ancient single-use example, when the ancient world had very little need for mass production or capitalist systems with a middle class to invest in applications. Edison would never have General Electric in 1st century BC, unless he was a crowned prince or king with the full resources of a nation behind him, even then the trade and banking systems of Roman, Parthian/Persian, and Chinese had no equivalent standards for easy access for international cash or transportation of manufactured goods. Our modern world encountered a perfect storm for mass application and usage. 

 

[W_L]

8 hours ago, JamesSavik said:

I've seen this play before. They've thrown this bone out several times to distract the hounds. Usually when they needed the public and opposition pols to look the other way. Something is afoot, and it sure isn't aliens.

Well I hope an actual alien ship flies into orbit and beams out a message sent by us (Hopefully not Hitler speech from 1930's Olympics, Carl Sagan was right that Aliens would have no context as to what was done, but in our current political-social atmosphere we'd likely end up with WWIII or a Space Crusade to rid the universe of "perceived" Space Nazis. I hope they would ere on the side of caution with contact, maybe adopt a Trekkian Prime Directive for limited contact.)

[ReaderPaul]

So little information has ACTALLY been revealed in these hearings that I am reminded of the 1964 movie starring Don Knotts, "The Incredible Mr. Limpett."  Just as Limpett and his abilities after turning into a super-fish were kept secret by the U S Navy, what information has been revealed is like three small crumbs of a reduced-salt Ritz cracker compared to a complete sleeve of crackers.  Some of the information is probably at the lesser known "Area 52," where signs warn "No Trespassing" and also that one might see experimental aircraft.

[Zombie]

Lies, Damned lies, and Disinformation

Confused?

that’s the whole point

 

 

[Bill W]

2 hours ago, Zombie said:

Lies, Damned lies, and Disinformation

Confused?

that’s the whole point

 

 

Yes, the government has put out so many lies and possibly covered up much to make this as confusing as possible.  I wonder how much they really know and if they might even be cooperating or in contact with aliens that aren't from this planet. 

[Ron]

According to The Digital Bits website, Avatar and The Abyss remastered will be getting a 4K release sometime in the next year coinciding with the release of Avatar: Way of the Water. There are other tidbits offered such as Dragonslayer getting a 4K redo as well.

Read the news here: HD Catalog of events

[Zombie]

ʻOumuamua

you may remember it

but would space scientists prefer to forget it…?

 

[Bill W]

2 hours ago, Zombie said:

ʻOumuamua

you may remember it

but would space scientists prefer to forget it…?

 

It just goes to show how little humans know about the universe, although they still attempt to come up with the answers for what they do not know.  

[Zombie]

The Debrief, 5 June 2023

A former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin.

The information, he says, has been illegally withheld from Congress, and he filed a complaint alleging that he suffered illegal retaliation for his confidential disclosures, reported here for the first time.

Other intelligence officials, both active and retired, with knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies, have independently provided similar, corroborating information, both on and off the record.

The whistleblower, David Charles Grusch, 36, a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, is a veteran of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO). He served as the reconnaissance office’s representative to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from 2019-2021. From late 2021 to July 2022, he was the NGA’s co-lead for UAP analysis and its representative to the task force.

David Charles Grusch (Copyright © D. Grusch. Image may not be reproduced or circulated without permission of the authors).

The task force was established to investigate what were once called “unidentified flying objects,” or UFOs, and are now officially called “unidentified anomalous phenomena,” or UAP. The task force was led by the Department of the Navy under the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security. It has since been reorganized and expanded into the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office to include investigations of objects operating underwater.

Grusch said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors. Analysis has determined that the objects retrieved are “of exotic origin (non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin) based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures,” he said.

In filing his complaint, Grusch is represented by a lawyer who served as the original Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG).

“We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities,” Grusch said, referencing information he provided Congress and the current ICIG. “The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles.”

In accordance with protocols, Grusch provided the Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review at the Department of Defense with the information he intended to disclose to us. His on-the-record statements were all “cleared for open publication” on April 4 and 6, 2023, in documents provided to us.

Grusch’s disclosures, and those of non-public witnesses, under new protective provisions of the latest defense appropriations bill, signal a growing determination by some in the government to unravel a colossal enigma with national security implications that has bedeviled the military and tantalized the public going back to World War II and beyond. For many decades, the Air Force carried out a disinformation campaign to discredit reported sightings of unexplained objects. Now, with two public hearings and many classified briefings under its belt, Congress is pressing for answers.

Karl E. Nell, a recently retired Army Colonel and current aerospace executive who was the Army’s liaison for the UAP Task Force from 2021 to 2022 and worked with Grusch there, characterizes Grusch as “beyond reproach.”

Karl E. Nell (Credit: Department of the Army)

Christopher Mellon, who spent nearly twenty years in the U.S. Intelligence Community and served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, has worked with Congress for years on unidentified aerial phenomena.

“A number of well-placed current and former officials have shared detailed information with me regarding this alleged program, including insights into the history, governing documents and the location where a craft was allegedly abandoned and recovered,” Mellon said. “However, it is a delicate matter getting this potentially explosive information into the right hands for validation. This is made harder by the fact that, rightly or wrongly, a number of potential sources do not trust the leadership of the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Officeestablished by Congress.”

But some insiders are now willing to take the risk of coming forward for the first time with knowledge of these recovery programs.

Jonathan Grey is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), where the analysis of UAP has been his focus. Previously he had experience serving Private Aerospace and Department of Defense Special Directive Task Forces.

“The non-human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone,” Grey said. “Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to elude us.”

At the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, Grusch served as a Senior Intelligence Capabilities Integration Officer, cleared at the Top Secret/Secret Compartmented Information level, and was the agency’s Senior Technical Advisor for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena analysis/Trans-Medium Issues. From 2016 to 2021, he served with the National Reconnaissance Office as Senior Intelligence Officer and led the production of the NRO director’s daily briefing. Grusch was a GS-15 civilian, the military equivalent of a Colonel.

Grusch has served as an Intelligence Officer for over fourteen years. A veteran of the Air Force, he has numerous awards and decorations for his participation in covert and clandestine operations to advance American security.

David Grusch in Afghanistan, 2013 (Copyright © D. Grusch. Image may not be reproduced or circulated without permission of the authors).

According to a 2021 NRO Performance Report, Grusch was an intelligence strategist with multiple responsibilities who  “analyzed unidentified aerial phenomena reports” and “boosted congressional leadership Intel gaps [in] understanding.” He was assessed by the reconnaissance office’s Operations Center Deputy Director as an “adept staff officer and strategist” and “total force integrator with innovative solutions and actionable results.”

Grusch prepared many briefs on unidentified aerial phenomena for Congress while in government and helped draft the language on UAP for the FY2023 National Defense Authorization Act, spearheaded by Senators Kirsten Gillibrand and Marco Rubio and signed into law by President Biden in December 2022. The provision states that any person with relevant UAP information can inform Congress without retaliation, regardless of any previous non-disclosure agreements.

In his statements cleared for publication by the Pentagon in April, Grusch asserted that UFO “legacy programs” have long been concealed within “multiple agencies nesting UAP activities in conventional secret access programs without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities.”

He said he reported to Congress on the existence of a decades-long “publicly unknown Cold War for recovered and exploited physical material – a competition with near-peer adversaries over the years to identify UAP crashes/landings and retrieve the material for exploitation/reverse engineering to garner asymmetric national defense advantages.”

Beginning in 2022, Grusch provided Congress with hours of recorded classified information transcribed into hundreds of pages which included specific data about the materials recovery program. Congress has not been provided with any physical materials related to wreckage or other non-human objects.

Grusch’s investigation was centered on extensive interviews with high-level intelligence officials, some of whom are directly involved with the program. He says the operation was illegally shielded from proper Congressional oversight and that he was targeted and harassed because of his investigation.

Grusch said that the craft recovery operations are ongoing at various levels of activity and that he knows the specific individuals, current and former, who are involved.

“Individuals on these UAP programs approached me in my official capacity and disclosed their concerns regarding a multitude of wrongdoings, such as illegal contracting against the Federal Acquisition Regulations and other criminality and the suppression of information across a qualified industrial base and academia,” he stated.

Associates who vouched for Grusch said his information was highly sensitive, providing evidence that materials from objects of non-human origin are in the possession of highly secret black programs. Although locations, program names, and other specific data remain classified, the Inspector General and intelligence committee staff were provided with these details. Several current members of the recovery program spoke to the Inspector General’s office and corroborated the information Grusch had provided for the classified complaint.

Grusch left the government on April 7, 2023, in order, he said, to advance government accountability through public awareness. He remains well-supported within intelligence circles, and numerous sources have vouched for his credibility.

“His assertion concerning the existence of a terrestrial arms race occurring sub-rosa over the past eighty years focused on reverse engineering technologies of unknown origin is fundamentally correct, as is the indisputable realization that at least some of these technologies of unknown origin derive from non-human intelligence,” said Karl Nell, the retired Army Colonel who worked with Grusch on the UAP Task Force.

In a 2022 performance evaluation, Laura A. Potter, Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence, Headquarters, Department of the Army, described Nell as “an officer with the strongest possible moral compass.”

 

Grusch is represented by Charles McCullough III, senior partner of the Compass Rose Legal Group in Washington and the original Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, confirmed by the U.S. Senate in 2011. At that time, McCullough reported directly to the then-Director of National Intelligence, James R. Clapper, and oversaw intelligence officers responsible for audits, inspections, and investigations.

In May 2022, McCullough filed a Disclosure of Urgent Concern(s); Complaint of Reprisal on behalf of Grusch with the ICIG about detailed information that Grusch had gathered beginning in 2019 while working for the UAP Task Force.

An unclassified version of the complaint provided to us states that Grusch has direct knowledge that UAP-related classified information has been withheld and/or concealed from Congress by “elements” of the intelligence community “to purposely and intentionally thwart legitimate Congressional oversight of the UAP Program.” All testimony Grusch provided for the classified complaint was provided under oath.

According to the unclassified complaint, in July 2021, Grusch had confidentially provided classified information to the Department of Defense Inspector General concerning the withholding of UAP-related information from Congress. He believed that his identity, and the fact that he had provided testimony, were disclosed “to individuals and/or entities” within the Department of Defense and the Intelligence Community outside the IG’s office. He did not allege that this information was improperly disclosed by any member of that office.

As a result, Grusch suffered months of retaliation and reprisals related to these disclosures beginning in 2021. He asked that details of these reprisals be withheld to protect the integrity of the ongoing investigation.

The Intelligence Community Inspector General found his complaint “credible and urgent” in July 2022. According to Grusch, a summary was immediately submitted to the Director of National Intelligence, Avril Haines; the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence; and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

The complaint was drafted and signed by McCullough and his managing partner. It ended with Grusch’s signature attached to his statement that “I do solemnly affirm under the penalties of perjury that the contents of the foregoing paper are true and correct to the best of my knowledge.”

A whistleblower reprisal investigation was launched, and Grusch began his communication with the staff of the Congressional intelligence committees in private closed-door sessions. According to Grusch, certain information which he obtained in his investigation could not be put before Congressional staffers because they did not have the necessary clearances or the appropriate investigative authority.

A representative of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence told us in March that the committee members are not able to comment on the content of a complaint or confirm the identity of a complainant.

“When you have multiple agencies nesting UAP activities in conventional SAP/CAP programs, both as recipients of exploitation-related insights and for operational reasons, without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities, you have a problem,” Grusch said, referencing the highly secret Special Access Programs and Controlled Access Programs.

Grusch’s willingness to take risks and speak out appears to be emboldening others with similar knowledge who believe in greater transparency.

Jonathan Grey, the intelligence officer specializing in UAP analysis at the National Air and Space Intelligence Center, is speaking publicly for the first time, identified here under the identity he uses inside the agency.

NASIC, headquartered at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, is the Department of Defense’s primary Air Force source for foreign air and space threat analysis. Its mission is to “discover and characterize air, space, missile, and cyber threats,” according to the agency’s website. “The center’s team of trusted subject matter experts deliver unique collection, exploitation, and analytic capabilities not found elsewhere,” the website states.

 

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Grey said that such immense capabilities are not merely relegated to the study of the prosaic.  “The existence of complex historical programs involving the coordinated retrieval and study of exotic materials, dating back to the early 20th century, should no longer remain a secret,” he said. “The majority of retrieved, foreign exotic materials have a prosaic terrestrial explanation and origin – but not all, and any number higher than zero in this category represents an undeniably significant statistical percentage.”

National Air and Space Intelligence Center headquarters at Wright Patterson Air Force Base (Image Credit: NASIC/Facebook).

It is unusual for an Air Force insider to come forward, as the Air Force has been less forthcoming than other agencies with regard to UAP.

“A vast array of our most sophisticated sensors, including space-based platforms, have been utilized by different agencies, typically in triplicate, to observe and accurately identify the out-of-this-world nature, performance, and design of these anomalous machines, which are then determined not to be of earthly origin,” Grey said.

Mellon, the former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, has been instrumental in arranging classified briefings for members of Congress and other officials about UAP, which include references to exotic retrieved materials. The first briefing he facilitated on retrievals of unexplained objects was provided to staff members of the Senate Armed Services Committee on Oct. 21, 2019, and to staff members of the Senate Intelligence Committee two days later, as reported by The New York Times.

Mellon says that once the members of Congress gain greater awareness of the information provided to their staff and the Inspector General, they will be in a position to quickly determine the truth if they have the will to do so.

“This is an unprecedented oversight challenge for the committees, but I believe we have leaders in Congress who are up to the task,” Mellon said.

Classified briefings are often presented for Jonathan Grey and his team at NASIC. “High-level, classified briefing materials exist in which real-world scenarios involving UAP, as evidenced by historical examples, are made available to Intelligence Personnel on a need-to-know basis,” he told us. “I have been the recipient of such briefings for almost a decade.”

The National Defense Authorization Act for FY2023 tasked the Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, with establishing for the first time a secure mechanism for the authorized reporting of sensitive information to defense channels.

In addition, the legislation asks for reporting on “material retrieval, material analysis, reverse engineering, research, and development” involving unidentified anomalous phenomena currently and going back decades.

Dr. Garry Nolan, a Professor in the Department of Pathology at Stanford University and a renowned inventor and entrepreneur with more than three hundred published papers, has started over half a dozen companies based on technologies out of his laboratory. Nolan has previously applied some of those technologies to the analysis of exotic materials, publishing the first peer-reviewed paper examining such materials.

Stanford professor Garry Nolan (Credit: Timothy Archibald)

“Human civilization was utterly transformed by something as small as a grain of silicon or germanium—creating the underpinning of the integrated circuits that underly computation and now even artificial intelligence,” Nolan said.

Studying even small samples of purported anomalous material could lead to currently inconceivable benefits for humanity, he said. “What might be represented here could be hundreds of technology revolutions ahead of us. It could be more transformative for humanity than what the microprocessor accomplished. Imagine what we could do with even a grain of knowledge about how they operate.”

To encourage potential witnesses to come forward, the whistleblower legislation forbids any federal employee from retaliating against anyone providing authorized disclosure.

“Whistleblowing is essential to the checks and balances of our government – and no federal employee should feel discouraged from stepping forward due to fear of retaliation,” Rep. Andre Carson told us. In May 2022, Carson presided over the first open Congressional hearing on UAP since 1968.

The case of David Grusch marks a crucial test of these new whistleblower protections and their ability to protect future whistleblowers who decide to come forward.

Jonathan Grey says secrets have been necessary. “Though a tough nut to crack, potential technological advancements may be gleaned from non-human intelligence/UAP retrievals by any sufficiently advanced nation and then used to wage asymmetrical warfare, so, therefore, some secrecy must remain,” he says. “However, it is no longer necessary to continue to deny that these advanced technologies derived from non-human intelligence exist at all or to deny that these technologies have landed, crashed, or fallen into the hands of human beings.”

Grey noted that the hypothesis that the United States alone has bullied the other nations into maintaining this secrecy for nearly a century continues to prevail as the primary consensus amongst the public at large. “My hope is to dissuade the global populace from this archaic and preposterous notion, and to potentially pave the way for a much broader discussion,” he said.

Grusch said it was dangerous for this “eighty-year arms race” to continue in secrecy because it “further inhibits the world populace to be prepared for an unexpected, non-human intelligence contact scenario.”

“I hope this revelation serves as an ontological shock sociologically and provides a generally uniting issue for nations of the world to re-assess their priorities,” Grusch said.

Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, with Helene Cooper, co-authored the Dec. 17, 2017, front-page article in The New York Times that disclosed the existence of a secret Pentagon program investigating UAP.

Tim McMillan, Micah Hanks, Craig Labadie ,and Sean Munger contributed to this article.

Additional background details on this article, and our investigative process can be found here. 

 

Edited June 7, 2023 by Zombie

[Zombie]

Two YTs published today - Ross Coulthart (an award-winning investigative journalist) interviews whistleblower David Grusch on the US NewsNation channel, and a short news item discussion on DG’s veracity and his formal complaint against the US Govt:

 

 

 

[JamesSavik]

While I am quite sure aliens exist, I doubt they want to talk to us… except for the comedy perhaps.

[lawfulneutralmage]

On 9/22/2022 at 6:11 PM, Bill W said:

Yes, the government has put out so many lies and possibly covered up much to make this as confusing as possible.  I wonder how much they really know and if they might even be cooperating or in contact with aliens that aren't from this planet. 

Well, I sincerely hope they do!

Allow me to ask whether you yourself have ever been in a managerial position or a position of authority towards others?

Every company leadership withholds information. I personally, as manager, have lied: "I am not aware of any redundancies planned." If I had answered the employee question truthfully, we would have lost three months of productivity, because people would thought about nothing else but impending doom. Evil? In absolute terms, yes, I lied. Necessary for managing people and breaking such news at the appropriate time? Yes, absolutely. What was the appropriate time? Well, that was defined by "those in the know" aka management.

Now, imagine "they" were in talks with extraterrestrials. Imagine this news headline: "Government makes technology deal with aliens". Can you imagine what would happen to any technology share on Earth?  Worthless within a minute. What happens to all the (pension) funds that hold such shares? Worthless! What happens to the banks that hold credit against such companies/funds? Bankrupt! Can you imagine the economic cataclysm such a revelation would entail? So, yes, please keep it secret and release in doses (maybe in small technological advances, as suggested here)!

Now, if all of this was true, what has been the damage done from "not knowing all at once"?

 

 

 

 

 

[JamesSavik]

Ever notice how this comes up when ever some deep political crap is going on and a distraction would be useful?

Edited June 12, 2023 by JamesSavik

[Ron]

On 12/17/2022 at 9:19 PM, Ron said:

According to The Digital Bits website, Avatar and The Abyss remastered will be getting a 4K release sometime in the next year coinciding with the release of Avatar: Way of the Water. There are other tidbits offered such as Dragonslayer getting a 4K redo as well.

It looks like the original Avatar will arrive on June 20th along with The Way of Water. Avatar 4K will, unfortunately, not include the extended version. The Abyss is likely to come in the 3rd or 4th quarter -- In time for Christmas? What a treat!

[Zombie]

2 hours ago, JamesSavik said:

Ever notice how this comes up when ever some deep political crap is going on and a distraction would be useful?

I believe this is called business as usual…

[Zombie]

3 hours ago, lawfulneutralmage said:

Now, if all of this was true, what has been the damage done from "not knowing all at once"?

pretty sure America’s lawyers will find an answer…

[ReaderPaul]

Who knows what REALLY is going on at Area 51 and Area 52?  In the movie "Independence Day," the President did not know, either.

Given that government -- and business -- tend to keep some stuff secret that they think "we the people" should not know, little would surprise me.

I am reminded of a book my father had when I was a kid, talking about myths and mysteries.  One line in the book I still remember, on a particular conspiracy theory, that said that three million, three hundred thirty-three thousand, three hundred thirty-three people secretly rule the world, and that they have done so for more than three thousand years.  It said: "If 3,333,333 people can all keep a secret for more than 3,000 years, they deserve to succeed!"

We are unlikely to ever know all of the truth.