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Robert E. Lee And The Confederacy


As a boy, I was asked by our social studies teacher which famous person I admired most. I answered Robert E. Lee. Lindsey Graham reminded me of my boyhood choice in a recent news article, in which he said Yea to removing the Confederate Flag from public buildings, but Nay to renaming all the roads and schools that are named after Robert E. Lee.

 

Curious, I looked up the Wikipedia article on Robert E. Lee. My education on history is not all-encompassing. I know the general outline of Western history, but the details about specific individuals tends to be murky. Prior to reading the Wikipedia article, I had a negative view of Lee, although I despised him for the side he chose. His decision to serve the South is morally equivalent to Ernst Rommel's decision to serve the Nazi state. At least Rommel got what he deserved in the end.

 

Turns out Robert E. Lee was a right devil, about as evil as they come, and a racist through and through. Anyone who defends him today is either ignorant of history or a racist, one of the two, with no exceptions. The way Lee treated his slaves was inexcusable, and his defiance of his dead father-in-law's will is also inexcusable. Lee was a liar, a torturer, a kidnapper, and a murderer, all told, and those who defend him would defend anything and anybody, and their words can be disregarded in all cases. The only reason I liked Lee as a boy was because the history books I read were full of lies and omissions, written by liars with no concern for the truth. Such books should be located in all libraries and destroyed before they get into the hands of impressionable young minds. Their paper can be recycled to make books that tell a more balanced and truthful version of history.

 

My grandmother used to tell me "The War of Northern Aggression" was started by the invading Northern armies because they were against states' rights. She was wrong, told wrong by the wrong-headed men in her life. The real reason the South started the Civil War by firing on Fort Sumter is because the rich slaveowners insisted, not merely on keeping their slaves, but extending slavery into new territories out West, in order to improve their representation in Congress and open up new opportunities for slave-based agriculture in those territories. They were not simply defending slavery, but wanting to expand it all over the Western Hemisphere, to eventually include Cuba, Mexico, and Central and South America. The Civil War was about States' Rights only in the sense of the right to secede from the Union. If you believe slavery is morally right, only then can you sympathize with the Confederacy, but if you do, then you would believe absolutely anything is right, and that there is no right or wrong at all. Lincoln pointed this out in his speeches and letters many times.

 

Someone I admire is Abraham Lincoln. He was amazing, and his speeches and letters are still worth reading today as an example of what politicians can be if they try hard enough and resist the temptation to go into service for the rich. I think Lincoln had his heart in the right place and had a brilliant mind for politics. He probably had some gay experiences in his early life, based on the letters he wrote to an old buddy.

 

Unfortunately, his predecessor, slavery-loving Buchanan, certainly was exclusively gay, and set a rather bad example. Fortunately, there are a couple of other gay Presidents to offset that stain on history.

 

I get mad as hell when I read about people defending Robert E. Lee or anything about the old Confederacy. It was a bad time, a very great evil, and they want to enshrine a stinking turd as though it were a sacred cross. Drop that rag in the wastebasket and forget about the ignorant fools that died for it. The rebels deserved to die, a thousand times over, and each of us would be duty-bound to kill them now, if they were still warring against the Union.

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JamesSavik

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Robert E. Lee in his own words. Please remember that in this time, racism was endemic. NO ONE, not even Lincoln, considered the races equal.
 
Before the war:
 
I can anticipate no greater calamity for the country than a dissolution of the Union. It would be an accumulation of all the evils we complain of, and I am willing to sacrifice everything but honour for its preservation. I hope, therefore, that all constitutional means will be exhausted before there is a resort to force.
 
In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country.
 
I tremble for my country when I hear of confidence expressed in me. I know too well my weakness, that our only hope is in God.
 
 
After the War:
 
The war... was an unnecessary condition of affairs, and might have been avoided if forebearance and wisdom had been practiced on both sides.
 
Madam, don't bring up your sons to detest the United States government. Recollect that we form one country now. Abandon all these local animosities, and make your sons Americans.
 
Obedience to lawful authority is the foundation of manly character.
 
So far from engaging in a war to perpetuate slavery, I am rejoiced that slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interests of the South.
 
 
When asked about displaying the Confederate flag:
 
Fold it up and put it away.
 
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Drew Espinosa

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Drak, I will never support or tolerate the burning of books. It is anathema to myself. I will say this however, in years to come, I want such works to be put in museums to show what Southern Culture was like and see how far they have come. 

 

I also agree with James, racism was not simply a Southern Mindset, we see it over and over again in the North. If you were non-WASP, you would have experienced racism or discrimination in general, no matter where you lived in 19th Century United States.

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Drak

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Robert E. Lee in his own words. Please remember that in this time, racism was endemic. NO ONE, not even Lincoln, considered the races equal.
 
Before the war:
 
I can anticipate no greater calamity for the country than a dissolution of the Union. It would be an accumulation of all the evils we complain of, and I am willing to sacrifice everything but honour for its preservation. I hope, therefore, that all constitutional means will be exhausted before there is a resort to force.
 
In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country.
 
I tremble for my country when I hear of confidence expressed in me. I know too well my weakness, that our only hope is in God.
 
 
After the War:
 
The war... was an unnecessary condition of affairs, and might have been avoided if forebearance and wisdom had been practiced on both sides.
 
Madam, don't bring up your sons to detest the United States government. Recollect that we form one country now. Abandon all these local animosities, and make your sons Americans.
 
Obedience to lawful authority is the foundation of manly character.
 
So far from engaging in a war to perpetuate slavery, I am rejoiced that slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interests of the South.
 
 
When asked about displaying the Confederate flag:
 
Fold it up and put it away.

 

 

 

 

Those are nice quotes, but he whipped a black husband and wife, and then after lacerating their bare flesh, ordered their bleeding wounds washed in brine. Now you sit down and digest the image of the helpless prisoner/slave screaming in agony for the duration of 50 lashes with a bullwhip, which is ten feet long,  waved in a circle and then lashed as hard as can be to rip out chunks of flesh from the bare back. Lee personally instructed the constable to "lay it on thick" as hard as he possibly could and he supervised to ensure this was done.

 

Fifty lashes.

 

Then the bloody fleshless back was washed in brine for good measure, again on the personal instruction of the devil Robert E. Lee. You think about that, and then think about the victim then watching his wife subjected to the same treatment, her bare breasts ogled by the salivating Robert E. Lee as he lashes her himself, because even the local constable refused to do it, but Lee was such a monster that he did it.

 

If torture is okay, anything is okay. Those who venerate Lee today are evil, and there are no two ways about it, and they are in the same camp with the worst lot of racists. We have named roads, colleges and schools after a devil.

 

That Lee made lots of nice noises after the war shows cunning. Lee was a cunning man. Maybe that is why he caught his runaway slaves that had been promised their freedom by their former master, his father-in-law.

 

One should look beyond what people say and explore their actions prior to judging them. Actions speak louder than words. If quotes were all that were needed, then we could select some choice quotes from everyone from Caligula on down and make them into saints.

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