Enric

ch14: oh, those family heritages...

ch22: enthused

ch21: patrolling duty... where are italian and french boyz?

whaat!!!! I didn't know the brits would have been so benighted.... come on, perhaps this is just a recent occurrence, transmitted from the Blair's close ally the big USA who had some air raid alarm like things there a few years back certainly I saw no rationing in London when I visited that smutty town a few times back before 2001 I have always preferred going to paris anyway

ch11: wartime. the thing. people living today, hear about wartime. but those who actually remember anything about living that, are about 70 or more.... (I presume the americans either were not actually living a wartime as to persian gulf, viet and korea things... they being more or less isolates far away and no threat of invasion to home country was imminent) in our Europe, most countries were not touched by war after wwII. 1945. so, there's not really alive that much of those who have first-hand experience of rationing, or of air-raid alarms, such As I recall, none alive in my family, experienced that. Literature is a different thing: there's some generations who have now had even an overabundance of both autobiographies and fiction about men who were at war, wwII. ------- makes me to think: how soon will the situation be that next to no one recalls a life without internet and email... for literature, that would have some consequences: there could be fiction where 1950s protagonists wage cold war using email contacts and internet material... ------- as to confusing kinships: I really do not believe that it would explode a kid's head. my experiences are that nobody gets the particular problem of not sliding in with an unusual genealogical structure, as opposed to not sliding in with a more usual. Whatever was in the previous generations, it's not something a descendant can do anything about. The descendant simply is there, as outcome of whatever it was. I really cannot see a feeling of doing suicide or somesuch just because the birth or ancestry may be odd. When I have explained usual and unusual genealogical vicissitudes to kids (mostly, at their teenages) in my family circle, they have merely listened to with some, but limited, interest. Nothing in that upset them. They are kids. They take it as a given - after all, it was parents, grandparents, and other ancestors, who did whatever was done. Sometimes, perfectly usual structures of genealogical roots are not that easy to gather by a kid. The structure might often become a bit too heavy, seeing that the number of names easily get big and their relations a heavy package of info. Unusual roots - pretty much the same phenomenon. When there are complications, the amount of info is generally somewhat boig at that stage, and the kid does not usually get what is so unusual in what it was. Besides, a kid of these decades, when parents often are divorced and having second and third families, step-siblings - and kids thenselves or at least some of their pals, are in custody of some other relative than biological parent, do not take it too seriously if they get explained that the family they live, actually is a biological relative's family and not the biological parent's. It is not like JJ would not have an inkling that he is not really a biological sibling of Will... It might actually be a relief to a kid that he gets to know that on both sides, he belongs to the family/families of the foster home. *Insecuroties being what they are, fostered kids often have some fear of not being fully of the family.

ch10: oh how!

ch19: owow. Poor Trave. Mediterranean has been one of my faves, anyway

ch17: wouuu, to Mediterranean....

well, he should. on the other hand, Frank's reminiscences might be relatively naive. Seeing how he was less than 10 years old when Aaron died. And, quite possibly, Aaron left the home (going to war) when Frank was six or so... I have a few times interviewed some people about also their close relatives who passed away when they were seven or six or somesuch. Generally, they do not remember so much, and the memory seems to have something about how the one looked like, but not a good idea what sort of person they was.

where did I suggest it will last? please do not put that to my saying. As I gather it, I was saying much of the opposite, in general terms though: a teenage male is not one prone to have maturity for marriage. did you somehow imagine this meant a suggestion it will last?

ch9: uh. that's a difference between boys and girls. a great many girls are ready for marriage at the age of 19. a great many boys are not ready/willing for marriage before the age 25. it just is so often a bad idea for heterosexual young to pair with one who is the same year. And, of course, demographical stats show that usually, the husband is a few years older than his wife. this made me to think about the case of my paternal uncle. As I understood it, he married at the age of 18 or 19 with a girl who was his classmate (and our remote blood kin also). The next year, they got their first kid. The uncle was only 20 or 19 at that birth. I wasn't even born at the time. So, I don't really know what our family thought at the time - authentically. However, from much later discussions and narratives, I gathered my uncle's deed was not thought as cleverest move, by relatives such as my grandparents and their other kids. And that was when the said marriage however had already shown to be stable and good, for decades (and they both managed to complete good educations...). So, if that belated impression was a tempered one, perhaps he faced somewhat real tight criticism at the authentic time.

cavendish's name cannot be helped. these nobles, they are not allowed to change the family name. they just may get permission to add new barreled parts.... it was sealed that some aristocrat needs to be cavendish already in history: man from a more or less mediocre lineage rose to powerful positiion sometime in old queen bess' reign. you know old queens. Then, because the guy and his important wife left several grandsons of that name (and somesuch git raised to hold the rank of earl), the name is bound to circulate in the English top aristocracy. Just be satisfied that we haven't yet got any whose first name is cavendish. Even that could be possible in the 1700s naming culture of english gentry.

ch16: oh the poor mood

everyone here has two sevens there. you are no different in that sense. however, that you did not reach the ch8, is simply because you did not folloiw the instruction someone gave, to manually change the 7 to 8 in the url. so, try clivk this: http://markarbour.gayauthors.org/chronicles/box8.php

you mean, they are such hopeless screw-up cases that next to no outsider really would want to have sex or relationship with them for longer..... But but, I thought these guys are desired by many, many outsiders.... this phenomenon, screw-ups in eyes of others, reminds me of the phenomenon concerning in the 1800s the descendants (grandchildren, great-grandchildren) of king Louis-Philippe. Since he was an usurper (of the french throne) in eyes of all or most catholic dynasties of Europe, as soon as he was deposed, his descendants became almost pariah in the catholic royal marriage market - for half a century at least. How they solved that dilemma: well, they married extraordinarily much within their own, i.e grandchildren and great-grandchildren of Louis-Philippe married one another. It was only much later, long in the 1900s, when really the larger marriage market opened to them, the bad odor having somewjat passed.... Had it remained cousin marriages in only one generation, I wouldn't be that concerned, but unfortunately, they had to repeat their recipe for over 50 years, which meant two, even three successive generations of cousin marriages. To talk about screw-ups then... The second and later generation of cousin marriages within that limited circle of one man's great-grandchildren, really condensed the heredity, and it was the heredity of a pear-shaped fattish french guy,....

the upper age limit in the Westermarck effect, it is somewhat fluid. Some argue it might last up to the 8th year of a kid. Some hold that age of 6 years. I think it cannot be determined fully, being probably somewhat individual. Then, another point: although romantic feelings and real sexual attraction, are suppressed by the Westermarck effect (hindering a real sexual love relationship), still kids who have a 'Westermarck effect' towards one another, seem to sometimes *experiment* with one another, at least I have heard of such. Such as, two brothers, or two best friends from the sandbox age, or ten-year-old members of the same family in 'doctor' play/game. They do not necessarily go very far in such experimenting. Thusly, experimenting is not necessarily suppressed by the effect (or, if it should, then those experimenters are somewhat screwed). They just afterwards might drift apart (in sexual context, though not necessarily as friends) when they mature a bit and start to expect romantic (and not experimental) feelings in sex play.

JP cannot be more than about five. the Westermarck effect should have an impact to kids under six..... if they were familiar (constantly) enough with the other. and, really, thus far in this series, I have not seen JP to have sexual feelings (even posthumous) towards Steven.

ch8: it all can be condensed to the word French.... and it all here really isn't even incest. None of them are related by blood... basically, they just emulate the phenomenon where they share similar tastes with their blood kin...

ch15: huu. secret thing..... huh. -------- of course, the Duke of Clarence would historically be so unlikely to have an interest in man-sex. The biggest historical block is that he had a steady mistress, with whom he wanted to co-habit, and he sired about ten children with her. Sired between 1793 and 1806, at a rate of almost one per year. The illegitimate kids were surnamed FitzClarence. http://genealogics.o...000371&tree=LEO Later, when things transpired to a national necessity, the duke married dutifully a foreign princess, and his wife took in the illegitimate kids too. He sired dutifully a few kids with his wife too, but these legitimate kids were too weak and died as babies. male members of that family (= sons of George III) should be expected to look like this as young men: http://www.welfen.de/Eduard.JPG http://thepeerage.com/100859_001.jpg In other words, thick-looking, blondish-haired, and prone to be or become fatsoes. (I was not able to find a youth portrait of 'silly Billy' = duke of Clarence, but of course these youth portraits of two of his brothers, reveal family features) The Duke of Clarence was later known affectionately as Silly Billy, a nickname which reveals he was not one of great intellects of his time... actually, he would been rather simple.

I cannot find the Royal who conceivably could be gay. It must be that Mark is doing the Prince of Wales as gay or bisexual for purposes of this storyline. There is next to other alternative when thinking about the position needed.... But that's imo so implausible in terms historical. Such a womanizer as that old rake was.

ch14: ah, the nest-forming. ---- btw, I am thinking of the possibilities who could be a royal who.... olphus, in the historical royal family, there were so many boys that at least one should statistically been gay. But I guess it was one of those boys who died as kids, because historically, all the survivors made hetero credentials good enough. Particularly, as they all had mistresses and produced kid or kids with such (a thing a gay boy would not conceivably do, a marriage-of-convenience being the way). it cannot be the naughty Ernie, he is too bad, and would give bad name for all gays. besides, he was ultra conservative and some of his bad rep came friom hetero doings. Adolphus, Augustus, Edward, silly Billy, Freddie, and Wales must be out of run.... Mistresses, in most cases, testify against gayness there.... the king's surviving brother is out of favor anyway. besides, nobody would want fatso Wales anyway.

you mean, this guy! uuuugggghh http://www.hollywoodteenmovies.com/PosterFabian.jpg http://home.att.net/~boomers.fifties.teenmag/fabian-forte-pinup537x682.jpg http://www.hollywoodcultmovies.com/assets/images/FabianForte1.jpg http://www.doctormacro1.info/Images/Forte, Fabian/Annex/Annex - Forte, Fabian_01.jpg

in my inexperience, I do not know what happens when I make this link..... [hopefully, the server does not explode, or something...] Since I am unsure how much can be revealed here, I cropped some from the original picture of this certain cutie. Suffice to say, clad with his swim trunks, he was balancing on the board when waves.... I observe there is an immense difference between Ricky's and my tastes.... I have always been partial towards dark-haired slender guys...

Mark has chosen a modus operandi that next to every eligible gayish male character here in this story series, approaches the store of the Hayes for a guy to have a relationship with. Specifically the Hayes supply. Which thsly is sorta 'chosen people'. this of course is nothing new, though in other known cases, such a choice seems to been a deliberate policy ..... Namely, for example, for over a millennium, the Japanese monarchical dynasty kept close a supply of Fujiwara brides, for monarchs and imperial princes to marry. They did it all the time, and I believe the number of Fujiwara girls to imperial beds must been over a thousand bodies all counted together. Fujiwara was an old noble family. Their function formed to be that sort of chosen supply store of bride flesh. [i do not know whether gayish Japanese dynasts also similarly had a predilection towards nice-looking, nice-arsed Fujiwara sons The dynastical stories do not tell that part... which no-tell of course is no evidence of that not happening] Naturally, people are much determined by their heredity. The type of favored partner (outlooks and such) is known to be somewhat similar between members of the same family. But here Mark makes members of several different families to have a tendency towards Hayeses. Brad, who is not biologically kin to JP nor to the late Steven. The late Steven who was not biologically kin to JP. Isidore who is not biologically kin to any of them. Must be that the Hayes outlooks are destined to be universally attractive. [the videos and modeling pics however do not show guys who'd be that much attractive in my eyes...] * which reminds me: can we post here pictures of good-looking guys?

according to text in an earlier story (somewhere), JP knows of the existence of Aaron. JP mentions (or thinks) somewhere there about Aaron who was a decent guy and fell in war already before Steven. I think it might be that Jeff was not even born when Aaron died. (in an older tradition of naming, in some countries, a boy would receive the name of the dead elder brother - but not happened so in this case) Their mother was one of those gals who gave birth her all fertile age: perghaps started (with eldest who was Aaron, right?) already under 20, and continued popping until Jeff when she surely was about 40 In earlier centuries, many women did that. Twenty-seven years of giving birth....