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Another great chapter, thank you, Mark! I was surprised that Will would refer to Robbie as "Robbie," because Brad once said the kids refer to him as "dad" and Robbie as "pop." And he does still go with "dad" for Brad. Will and John making up was nice. I'm still wondering if John got away a bit cheap, but I guess if they're both ok with the situation and still love each other that much, why not. And Will was sweet in that scene Btw, I loved Will's behavior around his parents in the kitchen... He's really turning into a character with a very lovable personality (not that he wasn't before, but he's getting more and more fleshed out now).

That was a very touching chapter and I think it lay the foundation of Granger's healing. I liked that Travers was not aware of Granger's changing feelings or confusion, whichever it is he went through, and that he left Granger with a mission. This way George can meaningfully do Travers' will after his death and maybe that'll help him grapple with his loss. Also, Darby is that one person Granger was thinking he didn't have - a person he can share his grief with and know that the other person understands the magnitude of that loss. Also - there was another letter implied. I wonder if we'll get to read that one. The one Travers had just posted before all this happened...

The only two issues I was referring to were the age difference per se and more so the fact that Gathan is underage and Stef is not (which, at least in some states is illegal here). My point was that in Europe the whole age of consent thing works different in many countries and doesn't even exist in some others. In my home country, there would be nothing illegal about a 14 year old and a 60 year old as long as the parents agree, and as soon as the kid turns 16 the kid can decide. As far as the actual age difference goes - sure it would be a big deal if they were actually dating, but it was just sex a couple times. In that case, other cultures just don't bother that much about the age difference. Sure, you're always going to have people raising their eyebrows and go "really? what did he find attractive in a guy this many years older?" but most people (who accept gay casual sex) would probably just shrug and say "well, to each their own." I do think that's a cultural thing because it didn't even [phase me when I read it, and I am not an unusually liberal person for central Europe.

I"m out as bi to my brother and my boyfriend. My boyfriend is a bit weird about it, but since we're monogamous it doesn't really matter much most of the time. My brother is bi himself and is ok with it. Otherwise... none of my friends are close or open-minded enough that I would feel ok about telling them.

Well, I'd be careful expecting Sharon to direct her anger at Mark...after all, Westie, you were the one that pointed the acronym out to us John Hobart is in 8th grade? I didn't realize that.... I was 10/11 in 5th grade, 11/12 in 6th grade so I assume he was a 6th grader, sorry.... hmm I'm confused now. What age do you guys start school here?

Hmm, I have a very hard time wrapping my mind around the idea that a 6th grader might not realize that what he did requires an apology. I guess what makes things a bit complicated is that (if I read things right) Will and John weren't actually in a relationship (or were they?), but they still gave each other that promise. Everyone, even a first grader, knows if you break a promise (at least by the time you get caught in the act breaking it), an apology is due big time. Maybe everyone is just very different at this age...I don't know. But if I were Will I wait for a huge apology and if I ever got it I would at best allow John to become my friend again. Maybe things would be different once we grow up some more, but I'd be hurt beyond belief. I mean he can't think that yeah he gave that promise to Will about giving him his cherry and getting his in return and oh well, tough luck, someone else got there first, so what, I can still have Will's, and why would he care anyway? I really can't see him think along those lines. Well, I guess we will see what happens soon! Relationships are complicated things and I guess where I would see a 6th graders having some more to learn is how to deal with an issue like this. When somebody breaks a promise of this magnitude, do you forgive them, how do you get yourself to forgive them, under what circumstances should you forgive them, etc. I was surprised to see Will forgive John that early... I had a feeling it was coming (which is incredibly mature for his age), now that it's coming so soon I'm wondering if it's the naivite that comes with being a teenager (and sticks with some adults for an unhealthily long time....cough). I still guess he and John will make up and Will is going to forgive him and all, but that's really really mature for a kid his age. Anyway, I'm really curious about how things go on with those two and how they deal with what happened.

I've been living in another country (= US) for 7 1/2 years now. Language is not a criterion for me because I learn languages really quickly... but it's more a question of feeling comfortable with the culture. I guess I could feel comfortable enough in a lot of countries as long as I had Mr. Daisy with me :2hands: Anyway, I'm not planning on going back home, but going back to Europe in general is a possibility, though most likely I'll stay here.

First time I was online I must have been 17 or so...they put us into the school's computer lab because some teacher was sick and the sub didn't want to teach us anything...so we went into these chatrooms and all and I was blown away. When I was 18 my dad got a computer and internet, and when I was 20 I had my own computer with internet. The first few years I used it mainly for email, chatrooms/discussion boards and such.... I guess at some point I discovered google and googled everybody and their dog...pre-facebook stalking was fun

I do think John can be held responsible for what he did - he broke a promise, and at 12 everybody knows a promise is a promise... and he was old enough to understand that this was really important to Will. Strangely, the Gathan-Stef episode didn't bother me at all. I found it hot actually. I wonder if that's a) because I'm totally in love with Stef, or because I see this whole age of consent thing way different...maybe it's because I'm European? The age difference doesn't bother me (Mr. Daisy is 12 years older than me and I don't feel like we're even different generations)... I am wondering why Stef didn't insist on a condom ... fully knowing that Gathan wasn't a virgin anymore (and vice versa, at 17, Gathan doesn't have the excuse of not having known either....)...I'm also confused why Gathan didn't ask Stef if this is ok with Stef being in a relationship and all, but then again maybe it's common knowledge that Stef is, um, the sociable kind... it probably is. What I'm a bit foggy on is American age of onset laws. So, I was told that [21 and over] and [under 18] will send me straight to jail. So, with what's been said before in this thread, does that mean different states will allow a 21+ year old to sleep with let's say a 16/17-year old? Not that I'm complaining. Well, I'm monogamous....just wondering. I don't think it's necessarily a wrong thing...just figuring out what's legal and what's not... Edit to add - I loved the dual narration. Esp. how Gathan and Will really sound like two very different personalities, not just based on what they do and say but on how they talk. Nice writing!

Oh, John Travers.... RIP. But I agree that it was sort of bound to happen, and this way he died a hero's death. Poor George. Hmm, I can't really think of anything profound to say right now... but I do think this can take the story in some interesting directions. As far as George's true love goes, I'd kind of had Cavendish pinned in that category for a while now, but I'm starting to doubt that one. Who knows......I hope George doesn't have to wait too long to find the right one. OK, one other thought regarding George's love life...with serious relationships he'll always have the same problem of looming separation if his lieutenant or whoever gets moved to another ship. Except.... if it was the ship's doctor (not the current one...) or some other staff who is stuck and won't be promoted. Hmmm.... but then again, that wouldn't allow for as much promiscuity as the story has right now I can't wait to see which way life takes George after this.....

From some of my former students: - I couldn't study for the [foreign language] exam because you haven't returned our vocabulary quizzes from last week yet and I was going to use those to study with. - I can't come to class tonight because I need to study for my biology exam. - (This one was about as long as a short story so here's a summary...) I couldn't come to class today because this morning my roommate's ferrett escaped from his room, ran into mine, I was chasing it but it kept escaping from me, then it ran under my bed and I was trying to get it to come out, and when I finally caught it it had taken a dump under my bed, so I had to return the ferrett and wipe up its turds on my carpet. By the time I was done with all that it was 5 minutes before the end of class, so I didn't come. I like the creative nutso excuses much better than my uncle died / I had a migraine / I had pneumonia or a bad case of food poisoning. *yawn*

OK, I actually cried a few happy tears during the wedding. I'm not one that cries easily, esp. while reading a story.... but this was really touching. Makes you want to get married, too...

It depends - my degree didn't teach me anything I couldn't have taught myself by simply picking up a book (and most of the stuff I did in GenEd classes honestly was bogus - my college wasn't the best I guess); on the other hand it enabled me to start grad school which will hopefully be worth it, so in that sense, yes, college was worth it.

Oh yes, orlando, I kept thinking Leonardo, but I knew that was wrong I did have a thing for Legolas way back when. But it stopped before the second LOTR movie came out and I was not obsessive.... I like those choices! I did picture some of them blond, like Isidore, but for some reason I often picture characters having different hair colors than what the writer says they are. Btw, that Granger with the guitar is a pretty good choice, too!

I like that Roger. I picture him a little more square-ish and a little older.... But... what's his name....Legolas....I'm totally blacking out right now, sorry....but he has always been my Travers. Oh God I'm really not getting his name right now. Wow. Cognitive aging kicking in a bit early.

It's illegal where we are, and I get really scared when someone drives the car I'm in and texts, but Mr. Daisy has to do it, because if his ex-wife calls or texts and he doesn't text *immediately*, she will withhold his kids from him for weeks (and she's scary enough when she gets her yelling fits). :wacko:

Oh, thanks! I had no clue

I think I noticed the neg'ging and I was confused everytime I saw a post of yours that he overlooked to neg. I guess nobody's perfect But he won't succeed.

Oh yay I've been really slow figuring out there were new chapters lately, because of that weird thing that's going on on the GA front page where the new story announcements are... but I seem to be caught up now. I really liked Brad remembering that he met his dad and finding out that his dad did care about him. What a sad situation for his dad not being able to take care of little Brad the way he would have wanted to (but nothing uncommon, unfortunately). And I have to say, my all time favorite CAp character - Stef - just rocks.

Hmm, my then boyfriend of 2 or 3 weeks raped me (anal rape is not fun), and I stuck with him because I thought he didn't mean to actually hurt me, and maybe he was so into it that he didn't hear me asking him to stop or bawling my eyes out before I almost passed out. A few days later, I let him talk me into taking nude photos of me. Then, a buddy of mine (male) came to me saying my boyfriend was enthusiastically discussing my privates at their dinner table of approximately 10+ guys. Theeeeen.....another male buddy calls me late at night and verbally molests me for about 30 minutes (I'm not quite sure why I didn't hang up the phone... ), trying to talk me into sleeping with him. When I told my boyfriend the next day, he played me a recording of that phone conversation on his cell phone, telling me he instigated the whole thing to test if I was faithful. Well, I passed that one. Then I hear he's sleeping around with way many people, and I let him talk me out of that idea, still sleeping with him without condoms (I hereby declare that the most stupid mistake of all of the above, though I got away extremely lucky). When i finally found a condom in front of his bed, knowing it wasn't for me, I started to get some brains (but slowly). Finally I found out that he had showed the nude photos around (surprise) and dumped him, still not reporting the rape to anyone, because I was afraid of him and his dad (super rich and high flying attorney for politicians....I didn't think I stood a chance....). Do I win the award for biggest relationship mistake? I think I do. For the condom thing. Oughtta know better than that...

I didn't feel an overload, since the last two Hayes (Marcel and Matt) came in from very different backgrounds and were only genetically a Hayes.

Indeed it would be! (Btw, I don't know how common knowledge this is, but lyrics are only allowed in exhibition numbers). Plushenko has actually done more than one exhibition number that made you not want to sit in the front row as a woman.... But it's one of my favorite skating routines for sure. Plus, I found it quite entertaining how the commentators were struggling

Average male. Hmm..... Seems I'm missing some essential equipment....

Just so we know who we're dealing with (guy on the right).... ...

Jeremy, I like your imagination I could live with a Will like that.