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I will put my money on a heavy precious metal instead of lead in a water tank.

VERY GOOD NEWS SPITTUNE. THANKS FOR LETTING US KNOW.

I should not have applied the 2% to the TAS in this rule of thumb calculation. Correcting, the IAS would then be 58 mph. Now I can not resist throwing in two more factors. The temperatures in Australia would be higher than standard and the air would be thinner making the 2% too low. Secondly the Beechcraft table says power on. Full power would make them look better (as would sea level data) with a lower stall speed at 63 mph The handbook gives power off stall at 74 mph. The story has a power setting of about 75%, The high altitude reduces power available unless it is turbocharged.

This is so much fun. Let us take C"Mitch"James at his word. Then from www.csgn.network.com/tasinfocalc.html Mathematically increase your indicated airspeed (IAS) by 2% per thousand feet of altitude to obtain the true airspeed (TAS). Direct quotes from CJames: "take into account angle of attack, 70mph, and then factor in propwash." "But the narration does not say indicated airspeed, so it means actual, so the 31% is accurate." Therefore indicated airspeed from CJ himself is lower at 56 mph. 70-2/100x10*70=56 IAS From Handbook for v35 Bonanza the V tailed version of the Debonair with almost identical characteristics: Power on stall gear and flaps up indicated air speed 63 mph. The conclusion. The Debonair is in a deep stall and falling out of the sky like Air France 447.

CJ says "But the narration does not say indicated airspeed, so it means actual, so the 31% is accurate. " That is complete and total nonsense. Mr. B's information is an indicated airspeed indicator. I am really surprised you would try to bluff your way out of this.

Roughly the airspeed indicator in the Debonair is a measure of the impact of the air on the pitot tube and airframe. The ground speed is much higher at 10000 feet. It is incorrect to reduce the impact by 31%. A second problem is that at high angles of attack the indicated airspeed is lower as less and less frontal area of the pitot tube is exposed to the airstream. Bernoulli would probably kick in and at 90 dgrees you could use the pitot tube to create a vacuum. I am glad you did the flat plate calculation. I did the same thing to try and convince the contractor to bolt my new shed to the slab. We get high winds here at the base of the Chugach Mountains in the fall.

True, the stall angle is probably 10-15 degrees and I am sure he does not want to enter a spin which the open door could precipitate. However you said the nose was dropping at the auto pilots command and Mr. B. had to fight the additional airspeed. He would have also have had additional prop blast as the nose dropped. You are a great guy and a world class spinner of tales, but the guy who throttled back the Cessna 155 may have saved your life.

Sorry about the last post. The internet is really sluggish tonight. When we were kids we used to go out to the Oklahoma City airport at night and stand at the end of the runway behind airliners as they took off. The prop blast was awesome, even with no airspeed. I also put my hand out the little side window of 2 place Tomahawks and the prop blast made me fear for my hand. So Mr. B is trying to open the passenger door and finds it difficult against a 70 mph or knot airstream. He was also fighting a 75% power prop blast because the simple auto pilot on the Debonair did not have throttle control. I seriously doubt he could have done it. If he did the increasing airspeed and prop blast would have led to serious injury when he hit the stabilizer. I should also confess that on long cross country flights I used to wad up paper and let them out the window. Some of them were half over and half under the stabilizer and did not come off until landing. I got into trouble on the previous post by quoting from Feint. You will have to look for yourself. Prop blast is never mentioned

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I hope you do make it Spittune. I am old enough to remember spittoons being in all sorts of places. Gov Wild Bill Murray of Oklahoma had one in his office.

Scotchirish 87 and benji mention Ned. He reminds me of an unscrupulous English colleague of mine. Projecting from him I would suggest Ned has Arnold's stash in his greedy hands. it would have been easy to find as he destroyed the bows. Ned may end up dead.

You forget the time to paddle back tto East Wallabi at 2 kts in the first part. You put a great deal of trust in your leaders? Ours is only to do and die, not to question why. CJ is a great person, a wonderful story teller and teacher. I think it is more profitable to keep him on his toes than to predict where the story is going. Have you read James Savik's Twilight? It is a masterpiece and moves at a brisk pace without losing anything.

How far was it to East Wallibi from where the sweaty Basingstoke saw Trevor get underway? On arrival he hid the raft and made his way through brush. That can be slow and how far is it to the airstrip? Meanwhile Trevor is making 16 knots or 18 mph. Lisa spots Basingstoke as they pass the airstrip. Is the sweaty Basingstoke in shape to go that fast?

Nice and informative cj. I only have an hour in a Bonanza, but lots in the Arrow. My other brother Frank was a really good pilot, but he could not land my 150 worth a damn. Crab style appraoch, hard landing and weaving from one side of the runway to the other. He was a partner in a Bonanza, but when he took me flying I was not allowed to touch the controls. He flew F86s and Globemasters for the Guard. They got about 30 hours on their low bid Globemaster engine overhauls. He said when you took off you were prepared for anything, your heart rate was 150 and you were sweating. One memorable TO from OKC they lost 2 engines to fire in 15 minutes. another time they lost two after TO from Hawaii and had to land without dumping fuel. The Guard guys were ecstatic because they landed over max wt, the gear did not collapse and they did not become a fireball. He told me lots of power from the remaining two engines allowed him to sqeak it on. They often had to fly to Vietnam in the ground effect because of lost engines. Bragging may be skipped: My private test was with a genuine FAA examiner who used to fly the mailplanes in the 1920s. He flew though canyons in heavy rain with standing water in the cockpit. He told me to return to Concord and said I passed and did not need to make the landing because of the strong crosswind. I asked to do they landing and did the wing down approach and it turned out well. I loved those old Pipers with the control stick on the axis of the plane and between your legs. Must be a gay thing! Cross wind landings felt so natural. The old guy told me he really liked my flying, I guess because he was still alive. Frank could not do that to save his life. I instructed for 4 years and decided their were two types who would kill you. The timid types who would scream at little bumps and always do the wrong thing. The second are the macho types. They are scared to death, can not show it and with great strength will try to put a wingtip into the ground on TO.

cj, like a lot of bright people you underestimate others and patronize them. Did I say anything about a fiberglass prop? No! Have you never seen an aluminum prop that a mechanic has filed the nicks out? Now why would he do that? Duh! You need to retune your sarcasm detector. Of course Australia has fighter jets. That went right over your head! A Debonair on smooth dirt would be quite different from a rough dirt road. Nose gears are not as strong as the main gear and when they collapse you may find yourself sliding forward upside down and looking backwards! My Beechcraft manual suggests landing on sod in an emergency. The Beechcraft Bonanzas and Debonairs were designed to appeal to those with money. The V tail kind of gives that away. The military version is conventional like the Debonair. Did you read about one of the Apple founders who bought a Bonanza, filled it with his friends, landed hard, then lost lateral control on takeoff and ran into a berm. As the Bonanza got larger and heavier it needed more tail surface so they added more sheet metal forward of the spar. The result was that under bad conditions the extra sheet metal would bend, changing its airfoil and making the plane uncontrollable. My brother worked for a guy who rebuilt crashed Bonanzas, three being required to make one saleable plane. Sure groundlooping is a characteristic of tail geared airplanes. It is due to the main gear being ahead of the center of gravity. My father who was not a very good pilot did one, but a bush pilot I don't think so.

From Toledo Flying Club Rules: Section 3.03 - Flight operations are prohibited on gravel or sand fields. (Emergency landings are an exception.) Section 3.04 - Taxiing Club aircraft in or out under power on the gravel to the west of the Club hanger is prohibited. Section 3.05 - Beechcraft B33 Debonair Do not extend flaps until the gear is down Do not make touch-and-go landings Do not retract flaps after landing until clear of the runway and stopped Beechcraft Bonanza and Debonairs are not popular in Alaska, especially at gravel fields. Piper Cubs and Cessnas with tail wheels are quite popular. We even have gravel runways which are curved! People with tundra tires can land in amazing places. Our bush pilot set us down in the hills within sight of the ice pack on a narrow loose rock outcropping that most definitely was not a landing strip or airport. He had a Cessna 185 tail dragger.

Jet trainers can observe. They can see when radar can not. The Beech is pretty low slung and propellers will pick up gravel through suction. A guy at Truth or Consequences NM played the Anvil Chorus with his fancy big Cessna next to my little 150. More money than sense. Mr B had two opportunities to damage his plane today. A nicked prop is like glass tubing and will break at the nick creating a very seroious vibration. Gear often collapses during emergency landings. Just admit it. You wanted Mr. B to escape and made it happen..

It is a shame Australia has no fighter jets.

Wheelbarrows get sideways tipsy when heavily loaded with concrete mix. I hope Henry thinks of that and gets shifty.

How about this scenario to keep ourselves breathing for two weeks. Henry manages to knock Bridget into the pond. The customs people tagging Trevor grab the annoying uninvited table guest and Shane barely manages to keep Trevor from opening the garlic press. The scene fades as Trevor and Shane walk hand in hand into the sunset. Merry Christmas C James and many thanks.

What is important here is the woman called him Trev, not Trevor, the same name Mrs. Blake used while Mrs. Fowler called him Trevor. Good chapter with some real movement. Charles Lane

Getting warmer is a good chapter. Thanks CJ. Incidentally when I lived in Nigeria I had Nigerian style goat meat and it was delicious! The chapter ends with a phone call from Trevor to Mr. Blake: "“No need, he knows what to do. Give me a ring whenever you get up tomorrow, but remember, no place names. Cheers, and talk to you tomorrow,” Martin said, before ending the call. Martin then said to his wife, “I hope the parts about the phone get the message across: don’t trust the phone anymore, and hopefully he’ll keep to that rule when talking to anyone in Florida.”"

Do you remember that in Chapter 70 Trevor got an American Thanksgiving dinner cooked by Mrs. Blake, She seems to know quite a bit about Thanksgiving. Could this be the great revelation to come in 4 chapters?. Here is the episode from Chapter 70. "Trevor and Shane bantered back and forth after Shane returned to the galley. Soon, Shane called out, “Sit down at the table, Trev. Supper’s on its way.” Trevor sat down, and Shane appeared, grinning and bearing a steaming plate held high. With a flourish, he set it down in front of Trevor. “Roast turkey with all the trimmings, including candied yams and sausage stuffing. That’s what was in the box Mr. Blake gave me, all ready to microwave.” Trevor looked down at his plate, smelling the turkey and stuffing, detecting a hint of rosemary. “Wow... why...” Shane returned with his own plate and sat down before replying, “Happy Thanksgiving!” Trevor’s mouth fell open as he looked into Shane’s beaming face. After a few second’s stunned silence, he said, “Wow... I didn’t think you had that in Australia.” Trevor had completely forgotten that today was Thanksgiving Day. “We don’t, but the Blakes must’ve wanted to make sure you were taken care of right proper for your Yankee holiday, so this is what Mr. Blake had me take out to Kookoburra,” Shane said, around a mouthful of turkey. Trevor began to eat, still stunned by the surprise. “This is delicious... Man, this was an awesome thing to do. It’s homemade, too... I haven’t had a homemade Thanksgiving turkey dinner in ten years. Dad and I spend it together, but he’s not much better in the kitchen than I am, so we’d usually make tacos – until Joel and his parents started inviting us to their house for Thanksgiving, but Joel’s mom hates turkey, so they have roast pork.” Trevor felt melancholy for a moment, as he wondered what his father would be doing for Thanksgiving, but he shook it off. “This is great... and I just don’t know what to say.” “A rare problem indeed, for you,” Shane quipped. “This is very good; I’ve not had candied yams before. Other than that, this is much like an Australian Christmas dinner.” “Make sure I remember to thank the Blakes for this... I can’t believe they went to all this trouble... and thanks for the surprise. Uh, I still don’t get the ‘shoe’ clue though.” Shane chuckled. “I was going to tell you that making soup from old shoes is an Aussie tradition, but mainly I wanted to throw you off and give you something to puzzle over.” Trevor grinned, and took another bite of candied yams. “These are great; butter and brown sugar. I love ‘em.” “I’ve never had them before, but I’ll learn how to make ‘em. I’ll ask Mrs. Blake, she’s the one who must’ve done the cooking; Mr. Blake is almost as useless in the galley as you are... well, not that bad; I’ve seem him make toast before, so he’s got you beat.” “Shut up,” Trevor mumbled, with an embarrassed smile. After they’d both cleared their plates of every bite, Shane said, “There’s more turkey and stuffing, but you might want to save that for later; this feast comes with dessert, something I’ll bet you’ve never tried.” Shane took the plates to the galley, returning a few moments later with a covered pie, dessert plates, and forks. He set the pie down on the table and unveiled it with a flourish. “You’ll love this!” Trevor did a double-take on the pie, and in a voice barely above a whisper, said, “Pav... Pav something... kind of a meringue, with a layer of black cherries over it, then heavy cream on top.” Shane looked at Trevor, and then the pie, in mild surprise. “I think that’s blueberries, but yeah, it’s pavlova, an Australian specialty, invented in Perth. I just call it pav. Very popular, especially here in Western Australia.” “I’ve had it before, it’s... fantastic,” Trevor said in a hushed tone, and then he looked up at Shane and smiled. “You better hide your half of the leftovers or I’ll eat it all.” Shane laughed. “Pav is one of the first desserts I learnt to make, so I’ll pick up the ingredients in Denham.” “Awesome!” Trevor declared, taking another bite." I thought the story dragged from the landing in Carnarvon until Shane and Trevor became lovers. It is doing just fine now.

A really good chapter! Full of interesting tidbits and welcome progress on phony Bridgit. Carnarvon has been hit by serious flooding. Go to: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/rescue-in-western-australia-as-flood-records-rewritten/story-e6frf7l6-1225973652436 Charles Lane, Anchorage

C James, Trevor rescued is the best Christmas gift I have received. Circumnavigation is your best story and frankly is the best story on the net, gay, straight or crooked. Charles Lane P.S. The password system on gay authors stinks. It used to recognize me if I copied the pswd directly from the email for a new password. Today it would not even do that. Now I went through the new password procedure for the 4th or 5th time and I am back on line. It is truely anal. Sometimes I wonder why I spent $90 to support GA. The stories are great, but the security is paranoid.