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Nine Planets may Become 12 or more


JamesSavik

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Nine Planets Become 12 with Controversial New Definition

Robert Roy Britt, Senior Science Writer

August 16, 2006

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The 12 planets under the newly proposed IAU definition. Planet sizes are shown to scale but their orbital distances are not to scale. Credit: IAU/Martin Kornmesser

 

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In proposing a new planet definition, the International Astronomical Union put 12 objects on a watch list of candidates that need further study. They are shown here to scale with Earth. Credit: IAU/Martin Kornmesser

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The tally of planets in our solar system would jump instantly to a dozen under a highly controversial new definition proposed by the International Astronomical Union (IAU).

 

Eventually there would be hundreds as more round objects are found beyond Neptune.

 

The proposal, which sources tell SPACE.com is gaining broad support, tries to plug a big gap in astronomy textbooks, which have never had a definition for the word "planet." It addresses discoveries of Pluto-sized worlds that have in recent years pitched astronomers into heated debates over terminology.

 

The asteroid Ceres, which is round, would be recast as a dwarf planet in the new scheme.

 

Pluto would remain a planet and its moon Charon would be reclassified as a planet. Both would be called "plutons," however, to distinguish them from the eight "classical" planets.

 

A far-out Pluto-sized object known as 2003 UB313 would also be called a pluton.

That would make Caltech researcher Mike Brown, who found 2003 UB313, formally the discoverer of the 12th planet. But he thinks it's a lousy idea.

 

"It's flattering to be considered discoverer of the 12th planet," Brown said in a telephone interview. He applauded the committee's efforts but said the overall proposal is "a complete mess." By his count, the definition means there are already 53 known planets in our solar system with countless more to be discovered.

 

Brown and other another expert said the proposal, to be put forth Wednesday at the IAU General Assembly meeting in Prague, is not logical. For example, Brown said, it does not make sense to consider Ceres and Charon planets and not call our Moon (which is bigger than both) a planet.

 

IAU members will vote on the proposal Thursday, Aug. 24. Its fate is far from clear.

 

The definition

 

The definition, which basically says round objects orbiting stars will be called planets, is simple at first glance:

 

"A planet is a celestial body that (a) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape, and ( B) is in orbit around a star, and is neither a star nor a satellite of a planet."

 

"Our goal was to find a scientific basis for a new definition of planet and we chose gravity as the determining factor," said Richard Binzel, an MIT planetary scientist who was part of a seven-member IAU committee that hashed out the proposal. "Nature decides whether or not an object is a planet."

 

"I think they did the right thing," said Alan Stern, a planetary scientist at the Southwest Research Institute and leader of NASA's New Horizons robotic mission to Pluto. Stern expects a consensus to form around the proposal.

 

"They chose a nice economical definition that a lot of us wanted to see," Stern told SPACE.com. "A lot of the other definitions had big problems. This is the only one that doesn't have big problems."

 

 

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Hmmm...

 

OK, this might be a controversial thing to say, but to me this all seems a bit hysterically funny, not to mention being a colossal time-waster.

 

They are simply arguing definitions, due to the human penchant for categorization. The reality is that there are no clear-cut defining lines between, say, planets and kuiper belt objects. The real issue here seems to be perceptive semantics: They for some reason feel that there is a perceptive difference between "planets" and other similar celestial bodies, so they feel pressed to come up with a clear definition. The problem is, they can't! Nature just isn't co-operating.

 

Personally, I'd much rather them spend their time discussing such things as theories for the origin of the Pluto-Charon system, rather than quibbling over what word to sue to describe it. The former will add to human knowledge, while the latter just wastes our time.

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I agree with CJ. I feel like they just want to win a prize or something. Maybe the publishing companies funded it so all the books would have to be re-written. I just think there was something else behind it for someone's financial benefit.

 

Oh, Well, I guess I should not be surprised.

 

David

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I agree- it does seem a bit silly. As we have been able to get further out in the solar system with better telescopes and probes, it has opened a can of worms.

 

IMHO, planets are like art. Don't ask me to define planet but I know one when I see one. The same holds true for a moon.

 

It's not unreasonable to assume that many stars have extended belts composed of all sorts of stuff. When star systems gravitationally interact with each other in their long circles around the galaxy, its possible that they "swap" objects in their outer regions. Comets and asteroids, so perturbed out of their orbits may rain down towards the star (causing flares) and planets (causing devastation, maybe ice ages) below.

 

It takes our solar system ~150 million years to make it all the way around the Milkey Way. This number corresponds rather nicely to a cycles of cataclysmic events in our geological past.

 

It may be that our first interstellar visitors are comets and asteroids ejected from other star systems. Just speculation but I wouldn't be surprised. Testing the abundances of common isotopes would tell.

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