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(One of) the Great Debate(s)


To start with, thanks to those who took the time to leave a comment. I agree, L0st Cause, small venues offer great shows. And the singer for French Kiss is a 18/ 20-year old girl, who doesn't look like her Janis Joplin-like voice, just so you know, Carl and Conner.

 

I'd like to use my blog to contribute to a debate that's been going on in many threads, and avoiding to cluster Shadowgod's blog with my rambling. The porn/ erotica/ sex in fiction debate.

 

The biggest thing for me is that whatever reactions fiction/ writing aim to cause in a reader, (having him laugh, think, cry or get sexually aroused) what matters is that it manages to provoke these feelings. A good erotic story, or even a good pornographic one, is before all a good story. There should be an atmosphere, characters, language that's adequate to the situations, etc.

 

Whereas I like erotica, I'm not exactly begging for sex scenes in stories in which there's a plot that's not focused on showing the characters having sex.

 

The thing has also to do with my own weird fantasies. I like bondage. I have an uncanny taste for situations in which characters are bound and gagged. This element is almost as important for me as the gender and looks of the characters. The first erotica I read on the Internet was straight bondage fiction. As in all genres, there are good writers, and poor ones. People who write great stories, with silly situations that work, and some whom you leave after ten lines because you know it's hopeless.

 

Strangely enough, there's very little gay bondage fiction. It's always widely mixed with SM; people, consensually or not, inflicting pain to each other. This is not my thing. I like kidnapping situations that end up well (the person freed and the kidnapper in jail), semi-consensual games between willing players, and tons of other variations on these themes. I know, this is weird. It took a while to accept these fantasies, on top of same-sex attraction, and not to be completely ridden with guilt. Colin quoted Popeye somewhere, saying "I yam what I yam." This is sound thinking. I've been on bondage boards on which people were as eager to find out the "Why?" of their fantasies. As much as quite a few here would like to know they're gay.

 

I've given up on finding out. No fantasy is bad, some fantasies should not be enacted. Other people's fantasies are of two kinds: they make you laugh or they make you puke. Mine would fall in the first category for lots of people, but who cares? Many fantasies question the domination/ submission realm, and I'm rather sure that lots of people I've come across at work who behave like jerks must have unresolved issues with theirs. All the people I've met in real life who take a step in acknowledging these d/s fantasies are well-balanced, honest and kind.

 

So, yes, a good erotic story is one that will let you know you're part of humanity and this part of imagination that makes the brain an erogenous zone is not yours and yours only.

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Conner

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WOW! Great blog! :D Thank you for your honesty and directness.

 

 

Many fantasies question the domination/ submission realm, and I'm rather sure that lots of people I've come across at work who behave like jerks must have unresolved issues with theirs. All the people I've met in real life who take a step in acknowledging these d/s fantasies are well-balanced, honest and kind.

 

I want to know who gave you access to my thoughts??? :lol: I'm proud to say, though, that I' ve progressed from jerk to semi-jerk. :2thumbs:

 

The guilt and shame I have put myself through have served no legitimate purpose in my life.

 

Conner

C James

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A very profound blog indeed.

 

I've never been able to "understand" the dominance/submissive thing, and that's probably why I have never been able to fathom authoritarian fiction.

 

The core point here though, is just becuase its not my thing, doesn't mean I think there's anything wrong with it! I like Pepperoni and Peanut butter sandwiches; they aren't everyone's thing either, but so what? We're all different and the world would be dull if we wern't.

 

I think Bondwriter is a wonderful role model; He's very "out" about his interests, including his screenname, and above all helps people understand what, to many, is a little discomforting due to lack of knowledge. Many people think that any kind of tie-up automatically means heavy S&M, and that a person interested in one would be interested in the other, which is quite untrue.

 

I'm not ashemed to admit that I fell into this assumption myself: When I first got to know Bondwriter, I assumed he'd like just about anything having to do with tied-up characters. So, I dropped hints about an upcoming chapter of my serial, which he was both reading and proofreading, because I thought he'd like the scene, an indian-style stake out of two protagonists, as part of an action/adventure story. Turns out, that wasn't his idea of interesting, so I'd given him false hopes due to my misunderstanding of his interests.

 

Oh, BTW, Bondwriters interests are far from limited to what he's stated. He writes damn good "mainstream" gay fiction,

and rumor his story "Blow Up" in the Summer anthology is superb. (I've read it, and it is).

 

CJ :)

BeaStKid

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Oh, BTW, Bondwriters interests are far from limited to what he's stated. He writes damn good "mainstream" gay fiction,

and rumor his story "Blow Up" in the Summer anthology is superb. (I've read it, and it is).

 

CJ :)

That, it is...

 

Btw, Francois, this post was very thought provoking and I do agree that there aren't many quality bondage stories on the net. Personally, I get turned off by forced bondage (SM) and I never read stories that contain them. But consensual bondage, if written well, can be very beautiful.

 

I won't comment much 'cause bondage is not my type of erotic literature. lol.

 

The BeaStKid

Bondwriter

Posted

WOW! Great blog! :D Thank you for your honesty and directness.

The guilt and shame I have put myself through have served no legitimate purpose in my life.

This is where I think more should be said about not fearing one's fantasies. Not for gays only, but for society as a whole. You're better off unleashing your dominant tendencies in a role-play with consenting partners than in bullying employees, or worse, being power-mad and on a corporate board or a government.

 

I'm not ashemed to admit that I fell into this assumption myself: When I first got to know Bondwriter, I assumed he'd like just about anything having to do with tied-up characters. So, I dropped hints about an upcoming chapter of my serial, which he was both reading and proofreading, because I thought he'd like the scene, an indian-style stake out of two protagonists, as part of an action/adventure story. Turns out, that wasn't his idea of interesting, so I'd given him false hopes due to my misunderstanding of his interests.

Actually, I discovered this peculiar kinky interest through fiction (comics, TV series) that featured distress. If you read The Adventures of Simon I posted in eFiction, that's what we aimed at. The lead character is a boy-hero, hence leaving aside any sexual innuendo (well, at least for me, the first host for our site didn't see it this way), and gets into tie-up situations all the time. I wanted to deal with this fantasy for an all-age audience, and I'm proud to say the most touching feedback came from teens the stories made feel good, or at least helped to identify these fantasies as being just that, and not a mean streak that made them evil.

In CJames' story (which I imagine you've all read by now, if not, brace yourselves for a breathtaking marathon, because once you begin you can't stop), what is a bit of a turn-off is that the characters are left there to die, and are damn close of getting there. In old comics, the tie-up stuff always hinders the heroes temporarily, and they free themselves or get rescued, so you sigh with relief, after having had these weird feelings as you watched the scene.

 

Btw, Francois, this post was very thought provoking and I do agree that there aren't many quality bondage stories on the net. Personally, I get turned off by forced bondage (SM) and I never read stories that contain them. But consensual bondage, if written well, can be very beautiful.

 

I won't comment much 'cause bondage is not my type of erotic literature. lol.

It doesn't have to be, my friend!

 

The first story I posted in eFiction, The Perils of Mathurin, which was a fiasco in terms of feedback (which doesn't matter since I got tons on other boards/ forums, even from straight people) tries to answer this issue. Having a lengthy (150 pages, only five or six posted here, most of it is in French) bondage story. It is semi-consensual (completely consensual doesn't allow for much action) with twists in the plot, betrayals, deceptions, alliances, and guys bound & gagged at every page.

 

So, thanks for replying, I don't feel like a total weirdo.

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