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That does happen, although in Gathan's case, he got the money while he was the protagonist. That kind of feeds into rule 27, which is... 27. The Cramptons and Schluters have an endless supply of money, and can constantly blow money on extravagent gifts for people who are simply just nice to them. I did get the feeling that the Danfields are probably much, much more conservative with their money. Wade does some generous things, but not to the level of the Cramptons and the Schluters.

I kind of figured that was more of a side, artisanal business, probably complete with a charming bed and breakfast. The winery can't be THAT big, if Roger were able to handle it himself, and it's now landlocked by development.

Trevor St. John on One Life to Live looks like how I would picture Brian, had Brian made it past 26/27. I've been watching the online reboot of One Life To Live on Hulu, and I kept thinking, "Trevor really does have a CAP look to him, doesn't he?"

All the talk about domesticity, and Will not really being used to it, made me think about Tony. He strikes me as someone who'd have a traditional view of raising kids in the suburbs with a white picket fence and cheering them on at Little League Baseball games...even if/when he comes around on being gay, Tony still strikes me as the kind of gay that would want to do that with his husband. I'm not sure I could see that with Will...it depends on how much of Brad's jet-set/corporate honcho lifestyle he wants to have. I can see Will with kids circa 2013, but I'm not sure I can see Will giving his kids the "colonial in the suburbs/soccer dads" upbringing that I'd see Tony doing. I think that's one of the interesting things about the 2000's- you started seeing young gay guys expressing the idea of having kids and raising them in the suburbs with car pools and soccer teams like their straight counterparts, as gay marriage and gay adoption started to become legal. The whole "circuit boi" image of gays in the media really started to change by the end of that decade. With Tiffany, I get the feeling that she'll definitely prefer the jet-set lifestyle with Riley. Being JJ's coach basically means she's choosing to take Riley around the world with her as she helps JJ chase the Olympic dream. I think if Wade could choose, he'd like the domestic bliss life for Riley, but it's pretty much impossible because of who they are. They're basically like the Kennedy family. I wonder what Ace and Cass did with Courtney...he doesn't really seem like he's part of the inner-circle of the Schluter Enterprises...Ace does strike me as a guy who'd settle down with a full-time mom type.

And usually, this leads to procreation. CAP lesbians are lining up to do procreation the good ol' fashioned way, instead of the turkey baster way. There's been some interesting discussions on TWOP about the media depiction of lesbians- that there's this myth propagated in the media that lesbians cannot be exclusively attracted to females, and that the "right man" can persuade a lesbian to have sex with him. Here's an article that explains that position: I'm Not The 'Media Lesbian' : Media portrayals trivialize lesbianism I remember when the U.S. version of Skins had the lesbian teen character decide to have sex with a male character- maaannnn, the complaints were pretty bad.

Thanks. I kind of went for a "female" theme in this chapter, with Le Tigre and the Indigo Girls being lesbian bands. I'll always associate "Downtown" with Girl Interrupted, one of my favorite movies from the turn-of-the-millenium.

I loved the Tribeca bit. It's weird to think that because of gentrification, Brooklyn is now the hot spot to live in NYC instead of Manhatten, instead of Brooklyn being the place you wanted to escape from ala Saturday Night Fever. I loved the domestic scene- it made me wonder how Tiffany intends to raise Riley. I don't think Tiffany strikes me as someone who wants a simple, quiet domestic life. Maybe that was another reason she wasn't right for Jeanine. Conversely, I think Wade WOULD want that for Riley, but who they are would make that impossible.

Chapter 6 -When Hank and Will navigate through New York City, and Will takes in the sights of the Big Apple. -When Hank takes Will to New Jersey, and Will witnesses the nice family bit that they've created with Maddy. -When Hank and Jeanine decide to take the condo in TriBeCa, the trendiest neighborhood in New York City.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvinAPPfyAQ Hee. I didn't even watch that show, but I Love the 80's had a segment on Dallas, and the "It was all a dream" deal was mocked endlessly. From what I understand, because they did that, they had to break away from Knots Landing, which was the spin-off, because on Knots Landing one of the brothers had named their kid "Bobby" in memoriam, similiar to how Will was named after both his dead uncle and his dead grandfather. I had no clue that the Dad from Step by Step was such a hunk when he was young before I saw old Dallas clips. I'm more of a Dynasty fan, though. I mean, really, what's not to love about two rich broads bitchslapping each other while wearing over-the-top 80's fashion?

Westie's bit in the 9.11 thread made me think about this thread...I thought I'd bump this up. He made an incredibly great point- that typical soap opera rules don't necessarily apply to CAP, and that made me think about how the CAP Saga does indeed have a separate set of rules. 23. No one locks the doors when they're hooking up with people, even when it's two figure skaters who need to maintain the appearance of being straight-as-a-board and thus must be extremely discrete. I totally can't believe we forgot this one. 24. CAP kids and parents are completely and totally comfortable talking about their sex lives with each other. Or hell, a kid could walk in on their parent having sex with someone young enough to be their kid and not cringe at all. I wonder if that's the French influence coming in.

Very true. And there have been some soap conventions that Mark hasn't followed- namely, with the exception of Aaron, when peope die, they stay dead. Such a good point to make!

Well, we got The Box, which was basically one long flashback to the 1940's...that's why I said more of a 50-year span.

I think with the online revival of One Life to Live and All My Children, legacy soap characters are on my mind right now. I do think it's cool that because it's a fictional 50-year span and not a real one, Mark doesn't have to wait in real-time to reap his own legacy characters on his soap.

Of course. We're just looking way down the road, and considering a soap's propensity to put legacy characters together. After all, Brad did end up with Robbie, and they are both legacy characters. Having Brad's son and Brad's ex-stepfather's son end up married would be a modern twist on a classic soap trope, one I could see being hard for Mark to resist doing. It's probably a big part of the reason why the pairing happened in the first place. It's similiar to why people were kinda digging the idea of Brad's son and Jack's son becoming a couple...that deal kind of crashed and burned, but I'm not totally counting John out. He's only 13. I figure when the dude catches up to Will's maturity level, it might be interesting to explore that again. I think on Days of Our Lives, they're actually having a gay legacy romance between Will Brady and Sonny Kiriakis- I think it's the first of its kind, which is pretty cool. Legacy romances can be pretty fun if done well...it's why I'm glad that Mark is apparently not having Riley and Madison raised as siblings, so it's possible to eventually hook them up if Mark keeps on doing CAP for a very long time. It's also why I'm glad Mark didn't give both Tiffany and Jeanine twins and make Robbie and Brad fathers again...it would have been too many kids on the canvas who are the same age and related to each other.

2001 was when I really started following music, as a by-product of starting high school and hearing what other people were raving about, so it's easier doing music for this year than 2000 was, which was kind of a weird transition year.

Thank for putting into words why I'm preferring someone like Jeff for Will over someone like Tony for Will. Will needs someone that can challenge him, and Tony so far has consistently shown that he doesn't have much of a backbone, while Jeff has shown that he's a pretty tenacious survivor type. Of course, to be fair to Tony, other than his father's death when he was 3, Tony grew up in a fairly sheltered existence as an affluent guy in a tony suburb who's never experienced want or hunger the way Jeff has. It stands to reason that Jeff would have a much stronger backbone- if he didn't, Jeff probably wouldn't have lasted 6 months after getting kicked out. I never even thought of the fact that Jeff actually is a legacy character- good point. OMG, you just made me think of the hilarious Katy Perry video from late 2008, Hot N Cold. It's going to be a very long time from now, but god- I can't wait to get into the emergence of Katy Perry and Lady Gaga in the late 2000's. Music got fun again in '08.

He's a soccer player that Mark has described as having the maschimo of the typical Italian male jock. Tony's status as a legacy character does make him someone I'd be reluctant to kill off, though. You can't underestimate the importance of having legacy characters on a soap. Soaps allow for the storytelling to expand over decades, and Mark has simulated that ability by having his soap fictionally span over 50 years. He can draw from the wealth of the content of the previous stories while at the same time, not having to wait in real-time to do so. I'm totally looking forward to reading about La Danfield's head exploding when Riley and Madison start dating circa 2017. Dear god, she'll be pissed.

Dude, I'm telling you- I really don't think Tony's going anywhere. He's a legacy character, and on a soap, legacy characters are rarely killed off. (Unless you were a Quartermaine on General Hospital.) The last time Mark killed off a legacy character was Billy in Be Rad. More importantly, Tony is the legacy of a character that was pretty popular who had a tragic end, giving Tony "demons" that will have long-term drama potential to them. Tony's also supposed to be representative of the classic closetcase. We've got Will, who represents the modern-day gay guy who was openly gay in middle school and has never been in the closet, and we've got Gathan who represents the guy who is sexually ambigious and is utterly comfortable with that. It stands to reason that Mark wants to balance that out with the narrative of the screaming closet case, and that's what he's done with Tony. If Tony and Will aren't married by 2013, I'll be shocked. It's classic soap with a modern twist to have two legacy characters (especially if they're the legacy of a character that had a tragic end) end up together. Seriously, Tony is not going anywhere. Even when he finishes Stanford, I'm sure Mark will come up with a reason to keep him in California. All the signs are there that Tony is supposed to be a long-term, tent-pole character for the rising generation, who is meant to "rise against" the demons that his father saddled him with. I'd really try to at least get used to him. I will grant though that I find Tony in terms of his personality pretty bland. If it weren't for his character backstory, he'd be basically just another hot masculine friendly jock type. He doesn't have much of a spine, and I think Will's had much more interesting love interests.

He's not contemporaries with Will, Ryan, or JJ. Damn. That could have been interesting.

Damn. That is an extremely good point. I think I'm just being nitpicky now that I realize that I'm totally Team Hot Jeff when it comes to Will. Tony's a nice guy but I think Will has this banter with Jeff that makes me ship them instead. I wonder if Mark will try chem-testing Tony with other guys in the saga- Gathan could be interesting. As for hating Tony...I can't really hate on the guy or wish him dead like Tim. Mark's never going to kill Tony off. He's a legacy character, and after the Jeff/Billy debacle Mark has been loathe to kill off legacy characters. And with this being a soap, legacy characters are pretty important to have. I'm fine with Tony in general- I just don't find him a good fit for Will. Of course, your mileage may vary.

The fourth book is out- Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire was released in July 2000, and with the first movie coming out, Harry Potter mania should be in full-swing in summer 2001. So you just agreed with me that the books should be huge at this point. Cool. I love it when we agree. I just remember you saying that you graduated from college early- that must be why I thought you skipped a grade. Just when DID you graduate from college? My guess would be like December '05. We would have just barely overlapped- I started college in August '05. And wow, you just reminded me- Orlando Bloomania is coming up soon. Remember this commericial? I think it's from '02-

Chapter 5 -When Will and Tony try and lay out what this whole declaration of love deal means. -When Will and Tony have their post-coital love talk.

Wow. Tim must have loooovvvved this chapter. I'm not on the "Kill Tony" contingent, but the bit about how Will compared Tony's smile to Robbie's creeped me out a little bit. I'm sorry, it's just weird to date people that remind you of your parents.

Nah. I only saw the first two movies because I thought Cedric from Harry Potter was hot and stopped after I realized how blatantly sexist the movies are. I tried to read the first book, and couldn't get through the first chapter because Bella came off as a humorless, stuck-up little bitch. I do have friends my age that watched it because they liked to make fun of it. Hunger Games all the way! Seriously though, how freakin' awesome is Katniss Everdeen as a feminist heroine? Loads better than Bella Swann, for damn sure. In any event, Ace's daughter does hit at exactly the right demographic to be into the Twilight craze. Courtney's 13 when the first movie comes out in '08, I believe. Madison and Riley might be a bit too young, though. It'll be interesting to see what Courtney is like when she's Marie's age- methinks as bad as Marie's Princess complex is, Courtney will be much worse, given that she's the only child.

There are times when I feel like I must have gone to high school in an alternate universe, because at my school, the bitchy Mean Girls type totally embraced being in AP classes. It wasn't seen as dorky to care about your grades and to actually read. It was seen as wanting to go to a decent college. Then again, I did not go to a traditional public school. Then again, neither do these kids. That could be kind of an interesting contrast, if Wade/Darius/Matt didn't get what the big deal about Harry Potter was, while Marie/John are going apeshit over it. And then later on, Courtney is going apeshit about Twilight (she'd be 13 when the first movie comes out), while Marie and John just don't get it. Anyway, these characters are a little younger than you- they were born in 1986 and '87 respectively...plus, didn't you also skip a grade? In any event, while it might not be a big deal to Will and Wade, we do have it established as cannon that Marie is into the book series. From Chapter 25 of Millenium, set December 1, 1999: “It is. And we got into looking at our new projects and I’m fucking stoked. We’ve got some great movies in the pipeline. These last two bombs are history. I was hanging out with Claire and Marie yesterday, and Marie was reading this book called Harry Potter and some bullshit. She was completely into it, and she says all her friends are too. Seems like it’s this sensation or something. They’re turning them into movies, so I made a few calls, and it looks like we have a chance to be part of the production group.” I'm guessing it was Harry Potter and the Prison of Azkaban. (Released in September of 1999.) I think the high school people who were into the books pre-movie got into them when they were in middle school(the books came out when Marie/John were 11 and 10, respectively) and then after the movies were released, you started seeing the older people like Wade and Matt getting into the movie series/books. It's kind of similiar to what's happening with the Hunger Games triology right now- it was mainly the domain of middle school kids, then when the movie was getting ready to premiere older people jumped on the bandwagon. (Myself included.) t'd also be funny to get in the Lord of the Rings stuff, the other big franchise about to debut that year. Apparently, Elijah Wood was the major boywhore of Hollywood at that time. I do think it'd be weird to by-pass Harry Potter entirely, because Robbie is producing the movie, the stakes are pretty high because this was not a cheap movie to make, and with it being June/July 2001, there should already be promotion efforts underway for the movie, which premieres in November. (It was originally supposed to premiere in July, but that got pushed back, which likely would be frustrating Robbie and worrying him a little.)