Enric

ch25: poor ship. wrecked.

Georgie's maternal grandfather's surname cannot be 'Lammert', if he was an agnate in legitimate line of the ducal Richmonds. Their surname was Lennox. the chronology also sucks: seeing that the first duke of Richmond was himself born in 1672 and his elder son in 1701, there only very uneasily actually be any such duke's grandson (even the first duke's grandson) whose daughter is supposed to have given birth before 1770. Proper genealogists know that the average between male-line generations is about 31 years. * still, I do not recommend to change it to duke of Monmouth.... there's the wormbox of his real paternity... and thusly possibly missing all Stuart blood. Georgie's maternal grandfather should -in normal terms- be now (1794 or 1795) something like 75-80 years old. Because his daughter's eldest son, Freddie, is already in mid-twenties. You can think about whether an almost 80-yo man still serves as admiral, or gonna be governor. Rather, such a role would suit to Georgie's maternal uncle...

I think Freddie is going to end up as a bachelor, the old, eccentric Peer, who is succeeded by his nephew In Freddie's case, this might involve -instead of a very good male friend somewhere- a series of bitchy paid mistresses, even in his old age... And, if nothing like someone's personal diary (such as, Georgie's own) survives, later historians will think that of these siblings, Freddie was the gay one and Georgie was a straight man ;)

ch24: uhhh, the agonies of childbed.... I really hope that Georgie will be allowed to remain in London yet for -at least- some days.... But, thass something we'll see shortly, when more of the story is revealed.

"....the look of amazement when he'd told Broadfield to arrange hunts to share the game in the woods with these poor people. As if he'd rather have them starve than allow them to poach...." hunting was the privilege of the manor owner (except some rare game animals reserved to the king by medieval custom). the owner could use the privilege himself, or invite others to hunt with him. He could invite other gentleman or gentlemen to hunt in his absence, and that other 'gentleman' could be allowed to have other invitees with him, or helpers. It was quite customary to share portions of the hunted meat with the helpers. Hold village feasts where the owner provided the food. Or to give portions of meat to charity. Poaching is illicit hunting. It is not poaching if the owner has given his permission. Georgie is simply arranging that some other (almost-)gentleman (possibly Broadfield) is allowed to hunt in Georgie's absence, and to use villagers as helpers, and for those helpers to get a share of the hunted meat. That is no poaching.

ch23: Brentwood seemingly is in western Essex, pretty close to London... Caroline and family will conventionally spend summer seasons in Brentwood, and the winter in London - but that arragement is only in a couple years' time from now Georgie cannot possibly count on being allowed to England more than once a year, perhaps...

ch13: so solves so many things....

ch22: court life, court circles..... of course the Sea Lords wanted Georgie to have a leave precisely in London, for weeks: his job is to spread the spin about victory of Toulon, in court and oligarch circles. Nothing odd in that leave, its timing and its presumably long duration. Georgie and his purse should be thankful for artistic license: in reality, the laws of probability would not have anyone to win so much in gambles, and the law of murphy of course wouold mean that Georgie would have lost much - but the artistic license of Mark more than negated those things.... About promotions: I feel that both our guys will now made post. Travers, because he's almost the age (and is hero in books of many), and Georgie (despite of his youth) because he is regarded as hero and is from a really good family. The spin doctors would probably present it as a decision (whim) of His Majesty and the royal family.

It was precisely because of being 'grandchild of France', that he was high, his courtesy title of Artois had nothing to do with that. Actually, the whole Artois thing was a courtesy merely, just decided that he will bear the name of that province. and it was a historical province, while most counts, marquises and dukes of that day held lesser geographical titularies than a full province.... Charles of Artois actually held also a couple of duchies as appanages, too - but even they were not that important, because his highest position was higher, i.e royal prince. Such duchies included Auvergne and Berry, afaik. He *could* have used -if so wanted- the title of Duke of Auvergne, and/or Duke of Berry. In a word, he is an exception. But however, usually titles and their ranks were important, too. Also in British high society. In matter of fact, I would characterize the situation as one where the hierarchy of peerage titles formed the backbone of high-society precedence. BUT, as to relatively upstarts with title, their title was devalued somewhat; and scions of really old and high families, were often appreciated socially even without an own title - it's actually for these why the honorific 'Lord' came into use; upon an assumption that such old and high families hold at least a marquessate. yes, Randolph Churchill was high - but his daddy was duke. After the Stuarts and their successors, had created so many earls, it was no longer actually such a distinction to hold an earldom. Besides, as he was '4th' earl, the Bridgemonts actually were not that ancient - their title undoubtedly came into being only after the devaluation caused by first Stuart monarchs. I would imagine the creation was only from around 1700. Which WAS REALLY not very good - the real distinction belonged to such earldoms which were medieval, such as Arundel, Shrewsbury, Caithness, and so forth. They could afford to look on their noses at earls in the Peerage of Great Britain

as soon as Caroline really sets to court circles and high society.... Now, she has still been deterred by pregnancy, and the very fact that she is yet so young and just married..... the not-so-big amount of socialite life she has now had, was yet a period of settling to her this new married role. But wait for the womanly squabbles about precedence, bound to happen soon after her real settling to high society of London... she will (figuratively or really) scratch eyes of some older bitch, and finds a yearning to be conveniently placed with a good social position. A husband still technically a lieutenant, is not a help - such are reasons why young socialites married elderly dukes... and a vicecomital father is not much of a help. Caro is likely to want to become some sort of chief lady in waiting of a royal, or something.... The squabbles of the french court of those centuries, is a great example what happens. you know, those ladies who almost killed for the privilege of having the right to a stool to sit in the royal court... ultimately, Caro will not be satisfied to anything less than being the wife of a peer of the realm.... everything else, is just so 'dependent'. However, I agree that this sort of *peerage* elevation for Georgie would take some ten years or so...

I agree that *Georgie* is not missing to be Lord or Sir. But, I am arguing that Caroline will get a desire of that..... in their womanly circles, also the title WAS important. add the fact that some could regard Caroline's own pedigree as parvenu - after all, she's not a born Bridgemont, and as far as I understand, not enjoying any good honorific. As viscount's daughter, she would be 'Hon. Caroline', but I bet that will not long be enough for her. England was not as corrupt. BUT, the sales depended also upon who was monarch. some brit kings sold titles. actually, the baronetage started with sales of those titles some aristocratic families managed to acquire baronetcies to their titleless sons, who were not merited nor matured, just in those decades, so that's why I assess baronet would be easiest. and, I think that you miss much information when assuming that George III elevated mostly only heroes to peerages. Actually, it was just those reigns when heads of well-established noble houses could many reasonably expect a step upwards in the ladder of peerage, or a concession for some heir other than the male-line primogeniture heir, even if the head did not hold a particularly visible office, just as reward of loyalty. Some cabinet ministers (not even PM) or governors were created dukes (see eg Leinster, Northumberland...), from being in lower step of peerage by birth. A marquessate for the old earl is not out of question, I believe - assuming he served satisfactorily in some roles, such as Lord Lieutenant somewhere or loyally in a royal sinecure in the court. And, he is bound to have held some sinecure.... (you see, for example the 34-yo earl of Abercorn was created Marquess in 1790, just 'due to his political connections'; and there were other such examples)

to continue this line of thoughts, when eagerly awaiting the next chapter (great anticipation)... in this sort of boys' series, quite usually a kid born will be a boy... we'll see. I am having thoughts how Michel -who just found the new home- will take when a baby pops to his world too... however, 8-yo kids are already possibly interested in having a younger kid, at least curious.... Caroline -if she takes things like a member of old nobility, has the deep understanding that it's her job and pride to have kids. Parvenues are more likely to complain over getting big, pains, etc. In good dynasties, they knew what was expected of them, and they knew what was achievements.... such as, healthy births, viable kids,... As huge as Caroline is, this likely is not gonna be any sort of premature birth. That said, a conception only at their wedding date, would mean the kid pops rather in March than yet in February - and dear Caro is already sooo big.... Let's see if Mark has actually written a birth of a pre-marriage conceived kid... These would not be twins, would they ???? surely not ???? In those days, twins -usually both- so often died soon - it was such a risky business, to have multiple. I am wondering why Caroline has not (yet) gotten to the demand that she wants and needs to be 'Lady Caroline'... :wacko: in those days, it was actually not a nice thing to be a plain 'Mrs' - and such things meant a lot to women. Georgie's better to acquire a knighthood or baronetcy soon, or papa Bridgemont to be elevated to Marquessate at least... Probably, a baronetcy would be easiest to achieve. after all, SUCH were habitually for sale to aristocrat families... By the way, what had made Evelyn Fellowes a 'Sir' already before he turned 33 or so ???? and, I gather it was not unheard of a man in his thirties to become admiral in brit navy of those days.

ch12: perhaps Erik and Cody will find each other

great, Drag. have you asked for others to drag you to the third one by -say- wheelbarrow ???

about a promotion: however it would be definitely better imo that Granger receives a rapid promotion now that he is lieutenant, rather than a rapid promotion (to admiralty) when he already is captain. Captains are a lot where guys know too well who have been how long and what. Lieutenants are a much larger lot, not fully aware of all their peers. And there in their promotions, there's always those intermediate levels - master, commander, acting.... this makes some wiggling room. The jealousy to promotion at the lieutenant level, will likely be much smaller than then if an 'unjustified' promotion occurs at captain level. For example, in this case, it actually was a somewhat more senior lieutenant WHO ALREADY HAS HIS SHIP AND COMMAND who displays signs of some jealousy that a junior lieutenant has ALREADY received a command (which in fact was temporary), and -although temporarily- a much bigger ship. Such jealousy is -objectively- not carrying too far. After all, Granger has not yet surpassed that Preston guy: preston will have his mastership and command even after Granger relinquishes his temporary command of now. Rather, this is a situation where Granger has not yet surpassed anyone of the officer lot who is CLEARLY his senior. Granger is only 'on fast track' to bigger things. holding now and then temporary great commands, such as a temporary flagship here, and temporary commands earlier. when it comes (hopefully soon) time to give Granger his own permanent command, there are grounds for granting him a good one: he has successful experience from a variety of commands. Then he is master and commander, at the same level as -say- Preston. The healthy way -not the jealous- for somewhat senior commanders to treat Granger, when he reaches the same level (i.e, a permanent command); would be to tease him as a junior, but allowing for him to show his mettle. IF Granger then has successes in his (hopefully good and big) permanent command as Master and Commander, then to transfer him to command of a rated ship (= official captaincy) should not be too much. Anyway, this was a class society. Any navy officer there was perfectly aware of members of titled rich families getting fast track. The most these others usually hoped, was that such a promoted one would be capable - even such was not self-evident, knowing that commissions and such were purchased. These folks -contrary to our possible beliefs today- held beliefs that a good string of capable and successful forefathers, is a thing which in usual cases tells about the ability of the descendant too. They believed such as to themselves and their own families, and as part of it, they believed essentially the same when it came to grandsons of admirals who commanded fleet in West India.

ch21: I lost my appetite for a while, when reading that scene of heterosex... or masturbation with a woman... uugh. this chapter feels to have politics... So, Caroline will birth within a week or a few. A pregnancy from their wedding date, would generally last until end of february, whereas from mid-May previous year, the popping should take something like second week of february, i.e now.

How would you make the immensely big number of gays who are bottoms, to change ?? It looks to me like you are desiring a miracle - actually thousands of miracles... millions of miracles...

a couple of years earlier, knight Sidney Smith http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Sidney_Smith had been fighting in Finland, the famous 1790 battle of Ruotsinsalmi actually, he was pretty young: only some ten years older than Georgie and Smith's knighthood came from the knighting made by Swedish king - as reward for his naval services, e.g that 1790

commodore Edward Pellew http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Pellew,_1st_Viscount_Exmouth had a twin sister who was married with a Finnish nobleman: http://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00444080&tree=LEO and Pellew's nephew(s) were Finnish

http://fr.wikipedia....off_de_Kerlessy admiral Honore de Trogoff he was a Breton. this would fit somewhat good to the alliance with the Britannic Majesty.

ch11: this really feels ambiguous btw, alpha ape concept is somewhat hilarious

....until he hits Dragonfire's age and things don't work as well Oh well. Familiarity spawns, indeed the familiarity. I hope you nice moments at the corner. Have they already given you the label. Or some banderole to carry ion the corner... You mean that -despite all prostate relateds- it still allows your urine through. Good. By the way, the professional knowledge is that SEX is between the ears, and not in some protruding equipment. and, *age* could be coming from such too. Your tone expresses that you do not like Mark's thoughts about the matter of functioning, age and such, right... just perhaps Mark thought about what are the things present between your ears, when concluding something about function. Age. By the way, your advice upon what sort of stop will happen at an advanced age, sounds to me to be based on some personal experiences. It was, at the beginning, question about whether (and at which ages) guys are still able to f**k gals. Intriguing would be to know: At your age, Dragonfire, are you f**king women ?

weellll, Dragonfire's advanced age.... George is -measured in reasonable ways- hundreds of years younger than Dragonfire, isn't he By the way, I do not really believe in George's alleged bisexuality. His described life and what he likes, is in total contradiction with any real bisexuality. Of course, there's such thing as 'artistic license', but artistic license does not make impossibilities to look like plausibles. Rather, I think people who know gay and bisexual guys, generally see this what it apparently is -if in real world: an obvious gay boy who once upon a time when 17yo, experimented with a gal... I agree fully that George really leans towards men To love and care about a lady, does not necessarily mean any interest in sex with her, any more. Gay guys have loved faghags, all the time I can see that George will be loving and caring about Caroline and about their kid. And yet have no willing sex with her However, perhaps because of dynastical reasons, George will still a coupla times try to procreate with Caroline; he is so dutiful after all... I foresee such occasions as *hard work* from part of George: some side stimulation to get and maintain a hardon... [i would recommend a dildo to his arse for the duration or Travers stimulating his arse at the occasion ] George is maturing, but now that I think it, he's still 18 yo. which is very far away from the advanced age of Dragonfire, and still a couple of years short of the time to lose it, right ? However, sex actually is between the ears, so, sooner or later, George will no longer perform, not at least willingly.

well, I am reading that George is much maturing psychologically. That is inevitably making him more selective - as opposed to horny in almost blind way.... When the libido gets to those stages, it would mean that he would be able to have sex only with those he finds some lust towards. Uuggh. Obviously you are now speaking about bisexuals. or about wishful thinking I know a lot of gay boys. I have talked with a lot of them. Many of us have experiences of some woman even offering herself. It seems it does not work in that way, 'bang a girl' willingly, eagerly.... Generally, all lust is missing. And, a guy cannot easily even pretend... because, his visible organ shows his interest or lack thereof. Like it's well known, a woman or a bottom has lots of better opportunities to pretend; but the one whose tool should be hard, has not that much leeway. In repressive cultures and so, quite a many gay boys want to be heterosexual, or at least bisexual. In many cases, such is wishful thinking: the guy wants to think he is able to perform with women - and as easily as with men. It's like self-congratulating. Such wishful thinking often does not survive the actual contact with a woman. Quite often, a gay boy -not even in such cultures- actually fails always to get a woman. Because, quite a many women have some -possibly instinctive- idea what a sex mate would be, and quite often, a gay boy does not give any such impression.

'...Why do I have a nasty feeling that Georgie is not going to sire any more children...' Weell, then it's going to be something like: our gay boy Georgie, biting his teeth, relatively unwillingly self-motivates his tool to have, and regain, some sort of hardon, though it softens a few times occasionally somewhat in the flow of the events in the bed and requires Georgie to intensify his erectional efforts now and then - as frustrating as they are, and penetrates -for the time of some pumpings- the female.... the nice but unlusted-for wifey he had married last May, trying to ignore the womanliness, fishy smells, and wrong-feeling equipment of that specimen.... attemptin to have some forced reminiscences of nice male bodies and recalled thoughts of hot penetrations made by hot males.... works against time, trying to make ejaculation before his thing wilts totally.... however feeling the dreadful pressures to keep up hardon and get the orgasm, and overall feeling pretty dirty... somehow manages finally to squirt some ejaculate.... right ?