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ch21: that Jardines..... bad news? something is missing: some chatty high society babblings.... I mean, Georgie participates the right places - why is he not present (or even participating) the gossiping, such as about people's potential marriages, pregnancies, alliances, adulteries, repudiations property arrangements, the things which in 2000s would be in socialite columns...

ch13: did I understand correctly: now Matt has his boyfriend.

ch20: the Dutch = the Orange princely dynasty, must have its own chivalric award too. I think the 'principality of Orange' probably had some obscure honor award.... -------- btw, nice to see that Georgie's hunting policy is helping in Brentwood. The hunts organized under his orders, obviously fill quite successfully some of the diet of the loyal villagers, and feed is that much more nutritional too.

ch12: I wonder if these guys there in Wyoming boondocks, had no gay bar/club... sometimes in locations with no gay place, some place gets much gay clientele. This the case here?

I am a bit uncertain about its spelling anyway.... these are situations where I console with the knowledge that in Middle Ages, the resulting written rendition varied anyway.

11 and 12 year olds are having crazy parties with their pals - such are called 'sleepover' and the crazy elements are feeding one another some junk food, drinking sugary things (coke, sprite and such), being awake half the night, and nattering with each other unto stupor. Coke, as in phark for 15-yo or 216-yo boy...maceuticals, is not in the menu. Sugar hangover happens, instead of alcohol hangover. Still, it does not essentially differ from the spirit of booze parties... well, and even 16-year-olds are not becessarily having any sex.... I think there is a remarkable difference between gay boys and hetero boys: girls who are needed for hetero boys' even first sex experiences, sadly look for something more mature - usually not much luck for 15-yo or 16-yo hetero boys. Whereas, almost any 15-yo gay boy could always find a semi-pedo or somesuch, to lose his virginity to... (ch 11) thank you Jer for filling the spot at the bottom of the page.

like, spare tyres - for a boat...

well, Georgie should have the moment to see his own son.... I gather the boy is already one year old, and we'll see what sort of toddler...

ch10: do I detect Matt in need of boyfriend material, instead of f**king around...

ch18: well, is the navy life so difficult as portrayed here.... btw, many gays just love royalty.... and now we have that fat Orange onboard. * it is a given that practically any prince and princess of Orage IS fat...

well, some americanoes tend to overrate things.... must come from narrow-minded things they grow to/ with. iirc, there in usa actually seems to be in effect in most parts of that place a prohibition against first cousins to marry - which as a thing is seriously stupid. [because nobody can prevent them from procreating...] there also seems to exist some sort of prohibition (structural prohibition...) in most parts there, for intelligent people to get elected to legislatorship... and I believe I heard that there in most parts is in effect a criminalization of sex life for those under 16.... (= statutory rape, I hear) So, how more deeply benighted can a country get ? by the way, as an opposite effect to incest taboo, it seems that persons with resemblance, and also hereditary traits, attract each other sexually... so, if there were NO westermarck effect, then most of pairings would be between close relatives... And trust the benighted ones to be those who want to battle against that natural thing...

ch17: The Dutch are imo not to be pitied....or protected. Just a decade earlier, they had a war against the English. In all this, it's basically that all the others are enemies, or former enemies, or potential future enemies... So, Bertie did not do anything too aggravating.

ch9: was there now some nice incest ?? the incest taboo imo is overrated. basically, the biology takes care of that to the extent it needs: the Westermarck effect. Meaning, one (if not seriously mentally disturbed) does not want sex with one whom has been growing together at a critical age on say 0.7 years. That's it. The phenomenon is called 'imprinting'. Because that means that MOST cases of too close relatives are not sexual partners: usually, siblings, pergaps some first cousins, and often siblings of one's parents and children of one's siblings. The 'most' is sufficient, because in long term, an occasional breeding in incestuous pairing, does not add very much to genetical risks - as opposed to repeated over generations. Genetically, sex (and progeny) with such relatives who are not blood relations, does not mean any danger on account of kinship. So, no sense to obstacle it. And that all, basically, is what should be the limits: if one does stomach sex with a related person, then it should not be taboo - provided the other one does want it, too. ------ everything negative what is talked in this thread, actually goes more to the perception of inter-generational sex, than to real incest... because, Matt is not blood-related to discussed persons, nor has he grown with them at the age of 0-7...

ch8: so much TALK about incest. no actual happening of any incest. bad...

ch16: well, looks like I was a day absent.... some of the confusion cleared. this politics is nice. Bertie is good. Georgie will learn...

ch15: more than confused

ch7: another potential for fisting...

a naval official of those days: some portraits, and some family history, of a presumably middle-class-origin navy man http://www.jjhc.info/cuthbertarthur1787.htm I happen to know about the guy because his youngest daughter, a scandalous woman of her epoch (and pretty much same age as the fictional Georgie and Caroline), ended up to Northern countries...

ch6: of course the statistics are against the boys Darius, JJ, Will, to be non-hetero; but still, there were vibes.... Matt could help in technical incest.

ugh. urgh. this is a cavalcade of sex fantasies. this time.

thank you Mark for contributing as last of the pile.... yes, the french upper class of Versailles were famed for not having water even nearby their skins and, they grew fleas and things... and, smelled so bad... Pretty much, they gave the air of somethings really rotten. Oils of course helped in that. Probably it was to rule their enemies by the force of untolerable presence.... and, they used quite a lot of perfumes, to cloak their nasty presence from their own noses... weell, what a concoction...

I have nephews who currently are 15, 13 (his birthday was a few days ago, a good reminder to an absent-minded uncle...) and 11. I guess I know quite well how guys of those age brackets are today... 1) So, Robbie was barely sixteen when he made the girlfriend pregnant.... Although americans can be 'clueless' and such, still I am amazed that nothing in Robbie's or anyone else's brains got any nudge when his former GF disappered after that summer of sex... Btw, a young -mid-teenage- girl, pregnant in something like 4th month, that would actually show to the eyes of the discerning... already in the 3rd month, people say... So, we must conclude that Robbie is really clueless.... In November, she would been already in sixth or fifth month.... and heavy, right? [o why are north Europeans today about 30 or more when having kids, and today Americans still teenagers when getting the first kid.... ???? I am trying to say that the look at this alleged feature of Americal culture is really odd to me... pretty odd to think that kids are having kids... that's not at all usual in my country...] 2) Brad and Robbie really could or should not been born in different years: that pretty much ruins the idea they would be in the same class... Had Brad been kept in one class (=repeat, or something like) for two years in some past stage? 3) why was that earlier story having Brad to moan about 'two years left' in HS (when contemplating the consequences of getting outed), if he really had only his senior year left then ?

however, Robbie and Brad hooked up in summer 1980 (and it was that August 1980 when Robbie completely settled to California, leaving hicksville totally behind) - and the chronology which has Matt to be born already in March 1980, has Robbie in hicksville at that time. That Laura had already then 'disappeared' from his radar (after being Robbie's girlfriend in 1979, i.e previous year), should have caused some wonderment in that 1980 story. Plus, would an adoption needed also the consent of the biological father??? I just wonder how on earth Robbie could have been totally ignorant of the coming child.... And, was Robbie really 17 when he started school in California in august 1980 ? I would have thought that he should have been 16 at that time...

ch14: well well, really, well-placed homosexuals in very many influential positions... do I understand correctly: there is no other British admiral in East India at this time? what a pity.

ch4: funnily fun. and so much of a statistical implausibility... how on earth these guys just bump to each other, in the multitude of hundreds of millions in America? btw, Mark, I adore how you can bring forward your inner bottomness - as evidenced in the ch3 feature of what Matt felt and needed, as he bottomed.... that is just something I think only a greatly natural bottom could describe so heart-felt... I should have guessed that the hereditary bit, Robbie being an addict to bottoming (and great objects...) will nicely appear in Robbie's spawn..... and, Matt is presented as very eager to bottom.