NJ-

I agree. One ignorant mutt with a gun can do a lot of damage. If it wasn't the gun, it would have been an axe, sword or baseball bat.

I think we need to take a page out of the Mossad's handbook: focus on the mutts and know who they are. When they move, put a bag on them. The Mossad has a much better record using intelligence than any other similar organization. Israel is a country where EVERY adult is a reservist and owns at least one gun.

Our police and FBI use a reactive model which means that they RESPOND to crime rather than preventing it.

It never hurts to steal a good idea.

JS

I agree James..i wish we had something like the Mossad, but the angry leftists in this country wont have it....it wouldnt be sensitive enough for them

The part that I get stuck on with these situations is that I can only see two explanations for why someone would act that way:

1) They were completely miswired from birth (insane)

2) Something happened along the way in their life (abuse, trauma, whatever) that made them the way they are, so that choosing such actions struck them as a good idea

Maybe I'm just not very creative, but every sub-scenario I can think of can be lumped into one of these two categories. In both scenarios, I see society (and by extension, me) as being responsible for that person either through cause (1) or in terms of responsibility for our sick/injured/incapacitated (2). It very easy for anyone to give in to a bloodthirsty impulse to want to put a bullet in the head of anyone who would do something as horrible as this; I know I would, had those girls been my sisters. But that's vengeance, not justice, which is wrong. It's why I'm not in charge of criminal punishment. It's also why I don't own a gun.

So would I want to spit on his dead body? No, I'd want to know "why", and understand how I, as a representative of our culture and society, failed here. I'm curious to know if that makes me a "dumbass" like that girl in your class, or if maybe you didn't consider the roots of the situation.

Side note, Nick - who exactly do you mean when you say "angry leftists"? I'm pretty fuggin' left, and pretty fuggin' angry, but I'm willing to bet you'd have no idea what my views are on a given situation. Seems to be a sweeping statement to me.

-Dez

Dezlboi,

You're a better person than I am. I dont see myself as responsible for this guys actions at all. He hid his intentions from everyone. He had a wife and kids and he seemed normal, but he had evil inside of him....I'd pay money to spit on his dead body.

As far as angry leftists, I mean people who think it's wrong to administer justice. There are angry leftists, just like there are right wing nut jobs....am I wrong? What would be the reaction of the left if we started an organization like the Mossad?? It would be anger, no doubt. I mean, they dont even want us to listen to calls that suspected terrorists are making overseas.

Dezlboi,

 

You're a better person than I am.

I doubt it. I'm a pretty miserable individual and you haven't been on this earth long enough to make all the mistakes I have.

As far as angry leftists, I mean people who think it's wrong to administer justice.

Mind-boggling generalization. I dont know anyone who is against justice. I know plenty of people who disagree on what justice is.

There are angry leftists, just like there are right wing nut jobs....am I wrong?

Nope.

What would be the reaction of the left if we started an organization like the Mossad?? It would be anger, no doubt.

Yup. Me included (I'm letting the comment about "the left" pass since you just lumped half of our society's views together in one statement). Funny thing, I remember back when the right was about small government.

-Dez

I dont mean to be offensive, Dezlboi, but I really have no patience for the left or the right.....the only good thing about the right is that they can defend us. The left cant. It's just that simple. But I hate the right too. I'm a Christian, but the way other "Christians" act is shameful, and the right wing politicians love it and feed on it.

I just wish the Dumocrats and the Repukes would go away. They're both homophobic elitest parties, and they commit treason against this nation everyday. Everytime George Bush says he wants to use the constitution, a document that is there to limit the power of the federal government, to take rights away from people. he commits treason. Everytime the democrats say our troops are committing atrocities in Iraq when all they're doing is fighting in a war, which is their job, they commit treason. No one pays attention to the constitution anymore, and they're ruining our country.

I'm not sure what you thought would offend me there...even if I disagree with you completely, I'll respect your opinion on just about anything as long as there's thought behind it. What's the point of representative goverment if everyone agrees?

I happen to disagree with your assertion that the right can somehow protect us and the left can't, but I'm too tired to argue old cliches about the left being soft on the military.

Have a good night,

Dez

I'm not sure what you thought would offend me there...even if I disagree with you completely, I'll respect your opinion on just about anything as long as there's thought behind it. What's the point of representative goverment if everyone agrees?

 

I happen to disagree with your assertion that the right can somehow protect us and the left can't, but I'm too tired to argue old cliches about the left being soft on the military.

 

Have a good night,

Dez

I just meant in general, not to you in particualar Also, I agree that the left is soft on the military.

Also, I agree that the left is soft on the military.

I was saying that was a cliche - implying that I didn't agree.

-Dez

I was saying that was a cliche - implying that I didn't agree.

 

-Dez

I know...I was agreeing with me I do that a lot

NJ-

 

I agree. One ignorant mutt with a gun can do a lot of damage. If it wasn't the gun, it would have been an axe, sword or baseball bat.

 

I think we need to take a page out of the Mossad's handbook: focus on the mutts and know who they are. When they move, put a bag on them. The Mossad has a much better record using intelligence than any other similar organization. Israel is a country where EVERY adult is a reservist and owns at least one gun.

 

Our police and FBI use a reactive model which means that they RESPOND to crime rather than preventing it.

 

It never hurts to steal a good idea.

JS

I agree James..i wish we had something like the Mossad, but the angry leftists in this country wont have it....it wouldnt be sensitive enough for them

Jamessavic, Nick.

The Mossad is an organization that performs special operations abroad. I think its abilities are highly overrated, and the U.S. has similar organization, the CIA.

I honestly believe that no organization could have prevented this maniac from doing what he did. If the Mossad was that great, then they would have been able to stop the hundreds of suicide bombers that attacked civilians in my country (Israel). Once a man decides to end his life, then it is extremely hard to stop him.

Indeed, many people in Israel have guns. Every man until the age of 45 is on the reserve force and has to serve 3-4 weeks every year. During the service he receives an army weapon, usually an M-16 or equivalent automatic weapon, with plenty of ammunition. But this also means that a guy like Charles Roberts (the killer of the 5 girls in Philadelphia) can get this kind of an automatic weapon and shoot many more. So to tell you the truth, I did not feel safer in Israel when I saw many people with M-16 everywhere. I also owned my own private gun, a 9-mm, and it didn