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Since this is gay authors....what did everyone think of the halftime show?

That's 2 for 2 Sorry Matt

You sound like my dad when he tries to move the couch by himself. If you can get yourself to a hot tub, it helps quite a bit I heard.

If it wasn't a label, this whole thread would never have started.

No, I paid attention, and it wasn't a snap judgement or ignorance. I get your a musician and climber and drinker, but they'd have been more interesting if you didn't undermine those things by imposing a self labeling mask. I basically told you what a good ammunition would be, and you then handed me a gun. *shrug*

Nuff said then.

Nowhere in my posts would you find that I had believed so. I highlighted that particular word you used because this was something I mentioned earlier. Being "geeky" is entirely different from being "a geek", at least to me. I'm geeky in my own way, I won't claim otherwise, but that isn't to say I want to own up to a term that is more derogatory than objectively descriptive. "Geeks" can have just as much social ability as anyone else. "Jocks" can be just as well-read as the next guy, but in my views, if you're owning up to that specific word, you've cut yourself short and are basically telling us "don't give me the benefit of the doubt". The label is placed on the word, not the person. I don't have to label people if they've already labeled themselves.

Didn't think they would be to you. Hence why this convo is now cut short.

Clearly you've missed my points entirely

Is a descriptor's role not to identify? There'd be no purpose otherwise. The full extent to "geek" ownership seems pretty comprehensive to me

Elaborate

He's a good looking guy, but isn't "too" anything. I don't believe there's such a thing as "too beautiful" in an objective sense. If you feel that way about someone, you've let somebody overwhelm you and that's strictly emotional. It's happened to me on occasion and I was just blown away madly in angst over how beautiful someone is, but 100% of the time that feeling subsides when I've come back down to Earth and realized that even a 10 is not the same as infinite. I googled Booth and browsed through some pics...I'll give the whole experience a 5-6 because I generally don't find soft looking plastic model boys on the internet to be very attractive, especially ones with long wooshy hair, plus I have no clue who he is. and with Andrej Pejic....that's just.....nvm.

"you" used generally.

Of course there is. Opinions are thoughts. Thoughts based on logic and reasoning are valid. Bogus thoughts are invalid. Your thought was bogus. Hence, your opinion was invalid. Easy as pie I don't believe in taking control or owning up to a word that is only half directed at describing me and half directed at insulting me. There are plenty of ways I can own up to something that isn't so degenerative. As much control as you'd like to believe people have taken to certain words, no black man would appreciate being referred to as a "nigger", I certainly have a problem with being called a "queer", and I'm not so inclined to hope many people would smile at being called a "geek". All 3 terms harbor derogatory intentions. Why should an overweight man have to accept being referred to as a "fat-ass" or why should a person of short stature have to accept being called a "midget"? That's not taking control, that's admitting defeat. "Jock" has negative connotations to it as well, hence the common expression "dumb jock". However, what's different about "jock" is that despite its negative implications, the identity also signifies athleticism, physical prowess, sports, masculinity, etc which are universally favorable traits amongst men. Because of that, many have no problem being identified as such. However, based on my experiences and observations, many people who play sports are also very careful in that regard and will always refer to themselves as "athletes" rather than "jocks". The two can be interchangeable terms but with completely different subtexts and many athletes realize it. I've played sports all my life, I was a good athlete in school. I was not and am not a jock. Flipping it all around, if I were to have been a sort of brooding intellectual who excels with a computer and have read every book in the public library, I'd refer to myself as a "thinker" or "intellect", but not a "nerd". Do you kinda see where I'm going with this? "sports fan". That's not relevant because it's not a specific term of reference for someone. To say you are a state champion in anything is an accomplishment, whether it be in sports or academics. I'd think whoever can make the statement will do so proudly. "I'm a super-nerd" is not an accomplishment. It's a term of reference. Once again, there is a difference between saying "I'm a huge nerd"and saying "I'm a champion programmer".

Good points Aber, I don't dispute how it is in the academic culture. The thing about that is, like you've said, the positive perception of certain things remains exclusive in particular subcultures and generally speaking subcultures are small. Feeling like a big fish in a small pool can be gratifying, but unless you intend on remaining exclusively in that pool and never wanting to leave that comfort zone, I personally don't think it's a good idea to swim the same way everywhere you go. I don't mean that people should discard their identities and try to always conform to the flow of the general society. By all means, embrace who you like yourself to be. I'm just saying I don't think it's a bad idea to look at a bigger picture sometimes and try not to confine your identity to just one thing.

You're from UK Your opinion is invalid

Ok, so I re-read over most of the responses and something was a bit disturbing, and it's how quite a few people have so comfortably admitted they're geeks or an outcast or whatnot. I don't know about you, but "geek" or "freak" is nothing short of a derogatory term and label and I think all of you recognize it. I have a hard time understanding why anybody would so easily and comfortably want to wear that around as if it's something to be proud of. Now, if you say you're a somewhat "geeky", that's fine, because most of us are, and as for myself, I admit I'm dorky all the time because we all are, but it's just silly to flat out say "oh I know I'm a huge loser". There is a difference, and to me, the latter bit crosses the line from being modest to having subconscious insecurity and self-disrespect. And as a few have already pointed out, the whole idea of classifying one as a "geek" or "jock" treads right along labeling and stereotyping and placing people into little boxes where they don't belong. If you like computers, aren't athletic, wear glasses or whatever it is that makes you think you're a "geek", no judgements, it's your life, but there is nothing impressive about saying stuff like "I'm definitely a nerdy ass geek to the first degreed ordered".

yea...my poor Broncos

Brady doesn't need another ego boost but its hard to ignore what he's capable of. I'm not a huge fan of the Giants but I'm behind Manning this time around.

Hook up sex? Absolutely not. But then there is the question of whether or not I'd let myself be in a relationship with someone who is hiv+ or develop feelings for that person. If I love the guy and want to be with him, sure I'll take all the precautions and enjoy what I can with the person. However, I'm very hesitant to believe that I will like an hiv+ guy enough to get to that point. Even the concept of hiv scares the shit outta me and it's a huge stigma to me for someone to have contracted it. Sure it takes only 1 time of carelessness but what are the chances someone who has hiv was that unlucky? If that's really the case, I'll be more understanding but it just seems like the vast majority of folks who have hiv are so promiscuous and irresponsible that it's inexcusable in my book. In any case, the amount of energy, stress, and mental hurdle I'll have to overcome to be involved with an hiv+ guy will probably be overwhelming to me. I'm 22 years old, healthy and looking forward to great things, so preferably I don't want to deal with that when there are millions of other hiv- men out in the world I CAN enjoy a better life with without all that unnecessary stress. With that said, I'm very much inclined to believe that I'll probably not want to develop anything with an hiv+ guy, so hopefully whoever I am with in the future will be honest about it right off the bat to save us both the grief. If by chance someone I come to love admits he is hiv+ wayyy down the road....well, I'll have to cross that bridge when I get there

Definitely...and the realism of it can last until the next time you use mouthwash.

I sucked off a straight guy one time and it was sooo nonchalant...we weren't friends or anything but had mutual friends. This guy apparently had heard guys give better head and had to find out for himself. He was real chill and confident so I didn't think he was some closet case but I still thought the way he was so casually curious was strange, cuz it didn't seem to bother him at all and like this was just another thing to check off his list or something like that. We talked a while and he was just like "yeah I've always heard, I have no hangups and what the hell is college for anyways....but I'm not gonna blow you back, sorry not THAT curious." I didn't mind at all, I just wanted to get in his pants. During the whole time at his place, we had a convo going and even AS I was blowing him, he filled me in on his day and stuff and was saying things like "Dude this girl crazy, but she gave the best head", "Oh I'm all for the Saints this year", "hey you're actually pretty damn good"...and he wouldn't shut up...it's like if I was there chilling having a beer or something. He was about to cum after like 5 minutes tho and told me to stop cuz he wanted to enjoy it a little longer. Afterwards I asked if he wanted to do this again sometime and he didn't bs me and say "sure...", he just said no, but not because he didn't like it but because now he knows what's it like and don't have the interest anymore. He never texted or msged me again so I guess he meant that.

Sure thing...and you're right. I wasn't saying there need to be laid out household roles that only a man or woman can fill, but having grown up in a pretty traditional family, it was hard to curve my mind imaging a different scenario. Cuz wondering IF I had two dad would mean taking my mom out of the equation and when I try to do that and imagine two of my dads running the house...wowzers....even if the laundry and cooking did get done. Oh and grossssss I just thought about my dad with another...man Something else to wonder is if I'd have the same friends I have today if I had two dads or moms. Would the same people I've known forever have gotten close to me if they knew I had two dad? At the same time, how many different people might that have attracted into my life with the same situation?

YES I love my mom more than anything in this world. I mean...she's my mom lol...she's that soft squishy bit of love I can always rely on, the one who packed my lunches as a kid and protected me. She's pure warmth and basically the best motherly figure any son could ask for. My dad's different though. I love him to death too, but he's the rock. The strong fatherly figure who taught me to standup for myself and be a better man. He took me fishing as a kid and taught me how to shoot hoops and change the oil in my car. It'll be weird to play ball with my mom and if my dad ever did my laundry and brought them to me, I'd think he's gone mad. Neither of my parents are replaceable by any means and certainly not with another one of the same kind. I don't need or want 2 moms, and I don't need or want 2 dads. It's not that I don't think two moms or dads can be good parents to a child but just based on my experiences growing up, I have a hard time imagining what my life would have been like without my mom or dad there having played their own roles.

A good friend of mine is a huge computer geek. Both him and his younger brother (who is far worse), but he's one of my great friends even though I have no interest in that part of his world, and I never go to his LAN parties LOL. I was never into computer games, and the most I played was like Simcity or Pokemon with that Gameboy emulator and you couldn't beat me with a stick to get into programming, even though I know basic Java, but that's as far as I'm ever willing to go. I don't think I belong in any subculture in particular now that I think about it and I'd hate to belong to the gay subculture and am happy I don't. I'm that guy who you can either see as lacking flavor or extremely adaptable depending on how you'd like to call it.