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Jays is doubly a direct descendant of the Crampton. So, Jays does not need to point out his bio father! Jays is son of Beatrice, herself daughter of Billy, whose mother is Tonto née Crampton whose father is the late and lamented Alexander Crampton of blessed memory*. And this is openly known and public and documented. Lineage. Jays has a Crampton as a great-grandparent and a male Crampton as great-great-grandfather. So, what happens with Jays' surname? (* I have understood that "of blessed memory" is used about persons that many survivors are actually happier that the persons are no longer alive. The really loved dead ones are called "loved", a term which is somehow opposite to "of blessed memory")

weellll, in the 1962 story Tonto mentioned her daughter-in-law as slut. (Admittedly, it was in situation when Tonto had heard that Billy is not the biological father of Janice's younger son)

Yes. My picture of white trash is that they cannot keep their pants on. That they waste their money, sometimes faster than it comes in. That they procreate relatively young. Children are usually merely some 20 years younger than their parents, IN AVERAGE. That their matrimonies crumble often. That their children grow up in households of their stepfathers. That they do not acquire education. Or, if they start education, sooner or later they drop out, without degree.

you have made Billy to procreate very young. Resembling white trash. Billy is of same age (same birthyear) as JP, which is 1936. Billy's son Nick was born in 1956 or 1957. Billy was 19 or 20 years old. (Unlikely to have turned 21 yet). Billy fucked Janice to be pregnant when Billy was 18 or 19. (Quite likely, pregnancy started and only after the conception, they had wedding.) Therefore is inevitable that Janice was max one year younger than Billy.

Somewhat implausible. Janice was not from Claremont, nor known to Tonto the mother-in-law before young Billy's acquaintance (possibly the wedding...). Janice was a young woman (18 yo) somewhere at the spot when young Billy, high school graduate (18 or 19 yo) starts his rookie navy service at some camp or naval station. Likely Janice was not a local bartender or bar slut. Instead Janice plausibly was naval station's high school senior, or something like that. No full orphan girl would be permitted to live in the naval station housing. (Is Janice's mother a slut or a faithful wife?) The plausible explanation is the one where Janice lives with her parents, father (or stepfather) is a navy man, and thus Janice is in the year 1955 accessible to the rookie Billy. The housing could be on basis of Janice's stepfather if Janice's mother is a slut like Janice is and Bitty is and Will is. A stepfather whom Janice's mother had snatched after some years of dissolute life... On the other hand, if Janice's mother is not a slut, then she might still in 1955 live in marriage with Janice's father, who in this case is a naval officer. (Janice's mother may well be not a slut, because of her descendants, Nick and Brad and JJ are not that much slutlike.)

JJ could actually easily change legally his surname to Crampton. Although the law does not support JJ's taking the surname of his secret father, JJ has actually two Crampton roots and one of them is above reproach. This is the reason why JJ is entitled to the Crampton surname. JJ's mother Bitty's father Billy is son of Gail (Tonto) Schluter née Crampton, herself daughter of Alexander Crampton. JJ has full right to the surname of his grandfather's grandfather's surname.

This kind of family circle, with its so many cuckoo babies. reminds me that the mother's birth surname actually should be the norm. The traditional presumption of father's surname to children of marriage, is not tenable, really. The patriarchal tradition of surnames is displaying its deep unsuitability! Patriarchs should actually be upset, and earthquaking in their graves, with all these outcomes. Patriarchs should have forbidden the use of THEIR surnames, altogether.

and: Billy himself said about Janice: “She's really terrific. She just had a momentary lapse in judgment. It's not easy being a Navy wife. But I think this has been like a purging experience for...” JP said to Billy about the cuckoo baby Bradley, his newly-designated godson: “Your son is adorable. Lucky him. At least he won't be ugly like you” (JP joked).

Such an heir is not what I planned here My idea is to make the 2006 birth of Barron Trump and the existence of his both parents and their ridiculous marriage (continuing even today) to be what it deserves to be regarded as.

"Janice, .. she didn’t do as well with the rest of our family. She was kind of flighty, and sometimes not the most stable and reliable person in the world."

Ha. The saga's early intro tells "The Schluters were the epitome of ‘old money’ in Claremont. Barry Schluter was a descendant of one of the city founders, served as the local judge, and owned a shitload of land in and around the city. The Schluters had a long history of serving in the military and in local government." Possibly inevitable that sons of such a family do lapse into uselessness, or whatnot. Aristocracy might be hereditary, but real talent are not that much inevitable to inherit. This makes me to have a useful idea: It is now the duty of Stefan to sire a son to continue this really aristocratic lineage. Stefan, the old homo, now that in 2004 he is about 60 years old, needs to contract a trophy beauty to produce him a son. The son needs to be born in 2005. They must baptize the boy as "Barron Schluter". Stef does not really need to touch the contracted trophy at all, because the seminal operation is to be made by a spoonlike instrument, the semen there chosen to produce a boy. Of course Stef marries the pregnant trophy of his, and soon after the birth, they divorce. This very cute story, of course, is intended to make the Melania - Donald operation a laughingstock. And to caricature the serial Trumpist divorces and trophies.

the damnable Alexandra Carmichael was no mother of Brad nor grandmother of Will. How on the earth Alexandra ever got rich? Now that I think more about this family I arrive at conclusion that Janice was a daughter (or stepdaughter) of a middling officer with family living in the naval station where Billy started. The 18-yo Janice obviously was one of those girls who do not keep their clothes on when a young man of 19 years is eager to get into her pants. In this Janice resembles her grandson Will a lot. Also Will is sexually prematuredly willing and likes young men eager to get into his pants. The difference between grandson Will and grandmother Janice is that Will does not get pregnant. Whereas Janice, in her mid-1950s environment, had to marry when pregnant (with Nick) and was not able (or willing) to abort.

Okay, it is this why Billy had to been of same age as JP. And Billy deceased at age of 26. Leaving a widow (Janice, née WHAT) and two biological children and one young stepson. Still, a rank-and-file submariner who started family at 19, tastes to me like a white trash. Although Billy was not a badly-dressing salesman... (whose life would have been likely spared to old age). How could Tonto ever have permitted such? How could the good motivator, JP, have allowed his foster cousin Billy to do that kind of lowly life, when there would have been available: college & career as military officer & life as small-town Claremont magnate & activities as public official and community organizer & various chairmanships... Billy's life seems a somewhat analogy of a Trumpian dumb who hates school... and ends up as a deplorable. Will, an avid student, is certainly not any sort of descendant of Billy Schluter. Brings me to assess whether Tonto's husband actually was a poor choice: not any good genes to continue. Both sons just were soldiers. And died young. Did not create careers nor passed any higher education. Schluter were not rich, but merely parasite of Tonto's wealth ? Was Barry a mere drone, sort of white trash in reality? Fortunately, JJ is a direct descendant of the late Tonto. Biologically. By the way, biologically Billy and JP are not related. They were merely fostered as social cousins. JP was not a biological nephew of Tonto Schluter née Crampton. For the simple reason of Marie Mrs Crampton bringing JP as Hendrickson cuckoo into her husband's Crampton nest.

Because Billy Schluter was born in 1936, biologically he could be yet fully alive. Mere 67 years old. Has Billy Schluter already died? When? Where? Or, is he alive and kicking. Possibly at Claremont? I think the chronology would ease somewhat if Billy Schluter was born in the early years of 1930s. (And had gone through college, before siring children -Nick- and before marrying Janice.) However, it might now be impossible to revise the birth year... Why did Billy sire his first child already at 19 ? and why did he marry at 19 or 20 ? Such gives an impression of being white trash. Not suitable social class context for Billy. If the family behaved like white trash, then no wonder that Bitty became an addict. Just like JD Vance's mother. --- One of the happy outcomes in this Crampton-Schluter family circle is: because of unfaithful conceptions of several children in all generations, they actually are not that much doing incest. The official family tree may give a display of plenty of incestuous sex. But, these persons usually are not biologically related, being usually only related by fostering. JP is not at all biologically related with Stefan. Will is not at all biologically related with his cousin John, nor with his cousine Marie the starfish.

surely, Will's paternal grandmother was the late Janice. Who was once an affaire of Mr Carmichael. The official Mrs Carmichael was the one who suffered in that situation - and surely was not Brad's mother. I have tried to find out what was Janice's background, for example her maiden name and where Janice grew up. (How Billy S found Janice to marry her?) I have not found any information about such matters. Probably Janice was a middle-class Yankee girl from a somewhat prosperous middle-class American family and born in late 1930s. Mother a housewife and father a badly-dressed salesman resembling Al Bundy. In the 1950s USA was a boring (Eisenhowerian) country, building up a vast network of 'modern' highways so Ford automobiles of middle-class American salesmen had infrastructure to drive from one motel to another. That was the young Janice's world. Possibly Janice's father was one of those roving salesmen, and Billy Schluter the bridegroom of Janice, was in process of being a young salesman driving A CAR, too.

Two male biological cousins who have lived as brothers all their young lives. They just better to reconcile themselves to the reality. They are not the first ever cousins in the world history who have lived in brother-like circumstances.

children tend to be totally internalizing the spoken context they live in, and children tend to be a bit dumb (= ignorant). For example, teenagers (who are no longer fully childish) then see things very black and white, until getting adults they see variety of greys. An uncle who is a family friend since the stone ages (having known even the grandparents and possibly some great-grandparent, too), do have a fuller picture of path-dependent things... And occasionally, happen to blurb some fact to a child who then starts to get curious about the real family history and about his (her) true parentage.

Seeing that Bitty was Jim Crampton's first cousin's daughter, and not really his niece, it is not called incest.

her name was Janice. suicided in 1968. But she was not a Crampton. She just came (in the mid-1950s) from somewhere unknown, to be wife of Billy Schluter.

However, is it actually thus: Will's paternal grandmother (née Crampton) is Jay's maternal grandmother? If so, then these two boys are first cousins.... and related by blood.

In narrated details about Kris' work and workplace, and skills for his work there actually already is testimony (written in this story) that Kris is fluent with German language, and that Kris uses German in some of his work. Possibly Kris understands the legal document's text well enough, but knows that it is a hoax. And that their judicial work is centered on presenting enough evidence of the correct genealogy and to demonstrate the hoax as forgeries.

"isn’t really a Prussian Prince, he’s actually the grandson of a Nazi spy from a peasant family": just perhaps, this (slander) turns out to be some disinformation from some camp, either from the DDR commie administration (to suppress the family's princely continuity) or from the embittered Nazi machinery of the about 1943-44 if the then prince, now residing in USA, stopped to serve as Nazi spy; or being slanderously something with similar effect. Intriguing to later read whether there actually ever existed such a fief (landed property) and whether the genuine Princely family continues.

well, the swampy Esterhazy at least have been cultured. As a contrary and positive phenomenon, compared with for example Donald Trump who is not cultured, instead being vulgar. Trump = white trash.

All the Italian gay boys that I ever met, have been quite eager to avail their anuses. (However, I suspect I have a biased sample: The Italian boys whom I have met....) Besides, something like over 90% of the genome of Italian boys comes from slaves of the ancient Romans - and the ancient Romans tended to keep slaves whose nature was to avail their sexual favors (other slaves did not generally get permitted to sire children, instead such slaves perushed soon under inhuman circumstances).... That Italians (since the Late Antiquity) are, for the most part, descended from slaves whose nations and tribes had lost their wars against Rome, is clearly evidenced by the fact that since the middle ages, Italians have (practically always) lost their military battles and their wars. The victorious Roman genome vanished to practical nothingness. Military losers are the ancestors of Italy.

cute story, finally with good fucking enjoyable. the name of the boy, in Italian, actually is: Raffaele. Not "Rafael". A slight pity that the cute boy is not availing HIS anus...