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I remember those days ... it looks like me yeah yer right rilbur, its good, I found "Background: "Should tablets replace textbooks in K-12 schools?"" at the bottom of pros and cons but their analysis is based on brand new tablets it really forgets about finding ways for a cheaper tablet

anyone watch it? now we have to watch out for shy teens who lives with their mothers who have evil older brothers

Rilbur, Sure its a nice article ... but I'm sure its not as comprehensive and has some weak n strong points Your price analysis is a good attempt but I not quite sure what was the bottomline figures, there was too much wording. A clean table would have made it easier to see where you where going in few words with a summary and the option to read your analysis I kind of disagree and agree ... with school specific * Perhaps the minimalistic bells and whistles but design and manufacturing would eat up the costs ... unless we're just substituting lessor parts Put it another way ... lets say the revolution is not happening just yet ... lets say about three years ... a serious program happens that gives us up to two 18 month periods or four 9 month periods for makers to go thru their d&M turnaround What we have today from Samsung or Apple of this year would be perfectly fine for three years into the future for school tablets We'd save on design and manufacturing the students would have choice for 8 or 10 inch * so given above ... we fit the tablet with hw parts and apps to make the tablet school specific Exam proof, apps that help the student learn better, insurance plans, device inactivation in case of thief, security software, etc, etc * Deliver exams since the device can verify the user and go into exam mode * the parents will have another way to know where their kids are and their active education progress * the device can also help monitor health if a student has special health issues (iWatch or equivalent) * Perhaps, if the device is being misused or in a location that has a certain crime stat ... it will require the user to verifiy itself with owner or else inactivate itself. the thief can only make use of it for parts but memory n cpu are gone poof * make the casing a bit rugged ... lol, we can learn a few things from like playschool (joke) they are making sort of tablets of their own I noticed tablet technology is starting spread ... WiiU and leapfrog is another example * If the device can survive Highschool ... maybe it can survive college or it can be given to a new owner in high school who is in need * Tablet manufacturers can be a source of old designs and refurbs Donated used tablets can also be another source and then refurb It be great to get a consortium \ foundation to receive donations of all sorts from private companies, citizens, gov ... to help launch a program throughout the country to help get us out of the #25 spot education need not be the object of politics and private industry ... perhaps this program can also help the 15 million plus who are out of work or even homeless the end result thru no strings attached long term donations with no gaps ... we have a workforce ready to take on the global free market, private and public industry will reap the benefits everyone working will insure public and private will operate better than today with perhaps the paradigm shift ... the school system will get a make over because the program will assure the progress of each and every student the parents will have the freedom to have their children where-ever they want at the school, work, etc .. as long as arrangements are made that the student will do their assignments the byproduct of reducing the wear n tear on transportation systems will help everyone the money saved means we can focus on improving infrastructure, security, laws, etc perhaps with making things better ... the free market also improves there be no need for the situations or circumstances we find ourselves in we factor out greed and bad from our culture

but we got doomsday preppers out there with shot guns!!

Karate Kid 2010 .. is should have been called Kung Fu Kid but that wouldn't sell tickets lol, the movie has plenty of mistakes Smith produced the movie for his kid, its not about his kid finding his own way in the industry Perhaps as a unspoken impression ... its a Father and Son collaboration ... a family business .. but for PR purposes its a go out and make a name for yourself Smith says to his son, I'll always be #1 and you got a lot of work ahead of you He says his son is after that and so is his daughter as they both glean at him across the dinner table AVP2 was awful ... I not seen the other predator oh the alien prequel ... I have mixed opinions but it does make it to this list

Here is business blog debating Text vs iPad http://www.educationbusinessblog.com/2012/02/apples_ipad_textbooks_cost_5x.html http://www.educationbusinessblog.com/2012/03/true_cost_of_ipad_textbooks_re.html Pro \ Con arguement http://tablets-textbooks.procon.org/#pro_con mmm (5 subjects)=> 71 vs 358 ... add BYOD=> 71 vs 141 there must be a lot of depreciation on the books but really it doesn't matter because in the period of not having to spend for books the school will certainly spend the money on something else also that cost figure may not factor in paying for the books on credit payment plan ... I wonder if schools can lease the books? The costing doesn't factor in theft and any lost of personal information like should the school add an app to track the device or if its stolen ... to inactivate the device ... have an agreement with the police to hunt down stolen devices but then the criminals can be smart and remove any tracking from the device or sell it so fast ,,, then its buyer beware The cost of monitoring the school forum n chat, However if its publisher forum (no chat) then the cost of monitoring may be partly theirs and the instructor They will have to monitor for bullying as per the anti-bullying laws but school admin will certainly find a way to say there costs involved most schools have internet ... its just a matter of adding routers and the cost of maintaining user security doesn't add-in mcafee security to each tablet .. adding parental \ school policy doesn't add the insurance costs I think some schools have cell phone jammers so this will prevent students finding a way around the school internet system ... if not then add the costs the cons of the jammers is if the school has mac attack ... no one can call for help except for the admins Certainly there is room in each of the pros n cons ... to explain whether its factual or not Yeah they can argue costs ... but hopefully with expectations that the cost should go down when you cornered the school system market that's depending upon extras and incidentals vs greed for profit Yes it seems the article could be viewed as Anti-Apple where as someone here is Pro-Apple and anti-android lol, imagine MS crashing into the party with Win8 or ubuntu your android device!! Another issue is if the schools go for Apple everything and the school admin and parents place all their trust in apple (is apple going into the textbook publishing business or cornering the market before amazon grows wise?) aren't they creating a monopoly or price fixing? Its possible if such a thing happens Amazon and other companies can make their arguments for Free Market Capitalism. will there be Team Apple School jackets for the jocks to pick their mates?

gosh present day ... but in an isolated town ... be like haven the original ... bw, low tech, the music ... the hitchcock thriller will a series real match the quality? darkness instead of bw there was a film with the same name http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bates_Motel_(film) mmm do you thing freddie is doing a good portrayal of Norman? lol, maybe your too focused on max

lol, thats up to the imagination its sort of funny the parents know n the teen has to hide we can list down many ideas ... perhaps it can be a comedy

lol I knew I should see how it votes save from losing money i wonder if there be a class action suit?

so whats left worth sailing on? the titanic 2 in 2016 the poseidon?

hehe like this one

lol, real or fake ... wouldn't it make a great story to write??

i wish Les Mis 2012 be panned the 25th Anniversary show had better singers ... who would you prefer to play Marius ... Nick Jonas or Eddie Redmayne or Michael Ball? I think its a great honor for an american to sing on a British play; he fits the age of the character he's portraying more than eddie Ball http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSzHAOkCDNU I wish they use the original singers ... much like how 1776 was Broadway and made into a movie they used most of the original singers but sorry I love the non singing version from the late 1970s

Lugh great story !! its nice there are some teachers that recognized intelligence gosh when my cuz told me that she had to educate her toddler on abc, simple math, and other things before she sends her kid into preschool that blew me away ... but then I hear that she's like a year ahead of the kids since some are at a different age ... that six month gap thing now she's a helper with the teacher ... she's learn to help the other toddlers with their skills it took a little time but she learned my internet friend ... he teaches 3rd grade science in Thailand ... can you imagine what they are learning for 7-8 year olds does any one remember what they learn in 3rd grade science? well it wasn't what was taught in Thailand the big test has a lot of questions ... these kids get high marks yet I wonder what happens in 3rd grade in our schools

Rilbur, looking back to my high school days where no one but the seniors get to have a locker ... the tablet would be a god send ... imagine carrying over 65lbs of books reduced to less than a couple of # that be heaven ,,, considering that I was really almost carrying my weight in books for four years .. now I like to sue the school for long term back injuries the school, teachers, and parents that didn't care about how much was being carried ... every class needed that textbook ... never a day was the backpack any lighter wrestling through public transportation with crowed buses ... each of us hitting each other with our back packs imagine rain, snow and ice walking for a mile on hilly terrain lol, I was lucky I could bench over 150% of my weight and leg press perhaps 175% ... I be in trouble if I couldn't handle the heavy back pack I was fortunate that junior high was the training ground for the back pack era ... Now that high school has a locker for every student, air conditioning, computers in most class rooms ... free tutoring help the kids really have it too easy and yet we're #25 in the world my #2 brother the scientist made a presentation at that high school ... he is mentoring a small group of students ... who have to put out a paper for nuclear stuff lol, I don't know if you remembered ... I put out a thread on the TED Nuclear kid ... the skinny lanky kid in the yellow radiation suit at the dinner table now there is a few more but they don't have the TED grant ... I don't think they played with any nuclear material ... but they do have to know their math and physics lol, somewhere between my brother and the students ... there is scientist language gap ... they weren't wiz kids ... but certainly they weren't dumb all this made possible by parents and a school equip with the latest access to technology they were the school that got to talk to crew of the space shuttle ... not sure if they sent up a science experiment I have to say whats available now compared to thirty years ago .. this is where teachers with masters and phd can really teach students with the right equipment yet somewhere we're #25 in the global world it sure is competitive out there

oh he did well in the charlie n the chocolate factory and finding neverland its depp that made it more MJ gay ... which is why I prefer the original I like someone to explain why he's right for this prequel phyco series? wouldn't such a series try to "everyday it" make is less than what Hitchcock made it to be perhaps too early to judge ... wait n see wasn't it small townish ... urban would be it .. its the 1950s ... there wasn't much of anything lol, I wonder if many people will appreciate the day of NO techno goodies ( cell phones, tablets, computers, call and talk as much as you want, cable TV) now I'm reminded All the Presidents Men the 1949 version ... gosh I wonder anyone today would understand those days that people live through?

wow another one ... I'll try to remember to come back and read it

Lets say we are on the same page ... there are more choices in education today than it was 2, 5, 10, 20, 30 years ago but hopefully the choices won't become so overwhelmingly complicated to understand ( ebooks, hard copy, online classes, free classes, hybrid classes, regular classes etc ) the ebook vs the hard copy ... there won't be an across the board removal ... for the foreseeable future they will seem to coexist I can't say that the had copy will go by the way of like the revolution of the CD CD made an impact to the LP and cassette in about ten to twenty years But as you can see elements of that by gone era is returning in a different form We'd have to wait and see in the next 5, 10, 15 years about the demise of the hard copy It won't totally go away ... we will soon learn about the health n social effects of the tablet your thread with james ... its a little more complicated than the figures your throwing around ... lets call it your getting your feet wet but not necessarily have full grasp of the problem or the field ... you will learn more as you keep at gaining more knowledge or have interest in being the pioneer in the field ... i think james was teasing you ... he's a smart man .. he's seen how technology has change the world n how its been adopted ... i met such people ... there's nothing to prove but share the laughter K12 vs College ... I think most of us know the kind of differences ... but still the age old argument is that college n vocational can be a rip off and then college can be the greatest experience ever but still our system clocks us at #25 globally ... it will take an overhaul of the system currently in place but lets hope that we don't leave it to politics ... hopefully we will learn why the other are better but we will soon learn it takes more than toys and products ... we might learn its cultural with trade offs K12 reform we're still arguing on how to improve it next to tax overhaul ... but there's a lack of commitment because its tide up by many factors ... there needs to be a revolution of change rather than being hit hard by factors that come in cycles ... its nice to hear about short term spots of change but we all like to hear that spread throughout the country ... but then it gets stifled by factors we're still trying to renovate health care ... its still in argument, its just proof that change does come easy ... perhaps if lucas, gates, etc would give up their trillions to education via a foundation then perhaps that would help spark a revolution ( remember gates contribution to the education was at retail price where as others was at cost there reasons behind it but short of goodwill \ charity) we need ppl committed to the change rather than trying to get their name on the building or bust in the library the adoption of the tablet ... yeah MS was too early with their products ... but as companies are willing to try again ... the revolution of computing changes ... Perhaps part of the change is when the child takes the parents cell phone or tablet to play with and won't give it back Some parents are more than willing to buy a tablet ... but then some argue ... are you crazy to spend over 300 dollars and the kid smashes it one day Some can't afford it ... some don't see it as a way to go costs or sale price of the tablet ... well they started to come down because of competition and popularity ... but also the companies are competing with each other ... making sacrifices on their profit margin ... because its services sold that makes up for the cost of the hardware ... apple has their own method of staying the black ... but that's before competition has become fierce ... but that's the bmw crowd ... perhaps xbox\cell phones is a splendid example for hardware vs service ... and maybe it might work in the education arena ... apple is bundling in a different way ... a little off of this and that ... it all depends on where the decision makers sees the good deal for education there is no need to develop lower price tablets ... there are already low price android tablets for 75 to 180 dollars made by china .. they don't accept sd cards but as cheap throwaway devices maybe the best for school tablets ... unless your thinking of the apple version ... the it be double the price ... the best bet is to look at tablets in the generic sense ... then we don't have to care about apple, android, linux ... as long as they fulfill the minimum requirements ... but then a higher version would replace the need to purchasing a graphic calculator ... but probably not because testing places need to discourage cheating .. if the testing center should provide such calculators for a fee then that would help solve the problem of making the g-calc mandatory or if a student testing mode was added to the tablet then cheat would not be an issue. star trek did show us the children only computers and tablets ... it was very funny when the adults tried to used them ... I bet it was hard to make due in a dire situation. I can imagine a parent looking for the adult tablet tossing the children tablet aside because it has inferior n child safe capabilities. We don't know the cost to make them but we can guess that its not too far off than the adult tablet. Please note some laptops that have lower versions of a cpu are really the defective or modified versions of superior ones. Its not like we have to go outright to make a lower cpu ... now we have ARM we're learning to use it in different applied ways just like the higher powered cpu. We're already stepping into the part that has its purpose ... ie: Samsung S4 ... we can expect future devices to follow this method compared to the last 15 years but note syfy already taught us this more than 25 years ago. lol, I may have been the only undergrad in my day to use a mainframe to help calculate my physics labs or the first to use the first spreadsheets for educational n personal finance purposes, Now, its mandatory but then ppl only follow the fashion of the day ... paper n calculator private companies have to provide long term commitment to education ... not break in cycles ... the tech companies have been known for this because their industry is volitile there are companies that contributed by other means ... its old school but their CEO\Founders have long time been remembered BYOD or tablets provided ... we'll see how the crime wave adopts to it ... regular owners of their devices that are stolen but now lojack found .. the police aren't helping to retrieve them ... perhaps the reason is that its costing more to get it n prosecute than for the owner to just buy a new one ... its best to build in a make device inoperable ... selling the lojack method doesn't work like theft of real expensive property ... police don't see the value of personal info on devices ... i bet education is concerned about theft ... the parent maybe too when a family loses their 3rd or more device due to theft and accident ... insurance cost would start to rise Have you notice there is a trend ... seen by the parks dept ... there are places where there are zero children playing there discounting toddlers n preschool This may one day be the result of the choices made. There is concern that perhaps there be no children be into sports ... soon to be one day ... no Olympics of sports but the Olympics of the intellect or gaming. Poor people who can't afford the technology or the people that have a better sense of the technology ... those parks will be filled with children ... its really becoming hard to send ppl to the games because its becoming a luxury ... the place where parents made a lot of sacrifices because they have the love of sports or interest in supporting their children ... but that can change when the toddler embraces tablets, gaming, technology ... when they break from the traditions before the tablet remember there are at least 15 million people out of work ... the children will be taken cared of hopefully ... but the older ones that were suppose to go to their dreams got cancelled or changed ... the middle class is a bit broken ... the tablet makers are in fierce battle to see who will adopt to their tablets ... will they understand that losing part of the middle class made the fish in the pond smaller for sales of tablets ... sales are great ... will they continue? keep in mind ... old ways vs new ways ... perhaps its best to keep both alive ... when one day all electronics ceases to function we still have a backup of how to function with the old way ... with that in mind ... books won't be going away that quickly lol, Time Machine(1962) certainly didn't foresee our electronic age ... it was about the survival of man ... and books and an educator was the savior of mans future I hope someone will share with us about private or religious K12 ... it be nice to know how they embrace changes ... remember we here to learn "Is the world ready for it" more than argue and sure the laws and methods of today have to change

hehe I love your injected humor lol

i get that if the college has old buildings and the lack of a budget ... however the state school on the island ... they really been getting some needed state funding ... I expect them to be up to date yeah I agree 50% or better be a dream ... but it sounds like your lucky that they offer a lot of etexts I prefer hard copy because I hate to be on the computer all the time but then I hate the weight of the book lol

Hi, all cost depends upon the online course and what institution provides it and is accredited or not and its requirements some provide almost everything but when it requires something like software ... it helps when its accredited because they can help you get the student edition but that's after you paid the uni price for the course please note an accredited course is recognized by other institutions if the course is offered by non accredited institution, you wind up paying the high cost of the software but not the high cost of accreditation however the course is not recognized at universities but only as adult self improvement course