methodwriter85

Alright, after reading Millenium and now PMS, here are my guesses as to what the kids are up to: 1. Gathan goes to Stanford and gets well-educated, but then goes back to Claremont with his intended life partner of whatever gender to help implement Nick's city plans. When Nick leaves the mayor office in 2010 after he's assigned a spot in county government, Gathan takes over as Mayor of revitalized Claremont. His campaign is based on expanding the education in Claremont and encouraging further development of Claremont College into a full, 4-year college. 2. Will and John have an on-again, off-again deal with one another throughout their teens and into their mid-20's. Will went to school in Florida(ba) then Hawaii(M.a.), studied marine biology, and gets involved in the Hurricane Katrina clean-up efforts during the summer of '06 to gain practical experience. He also got involved with the 2010 efforts in the Gulf Oil Spill. Meanwhile, John wants to be a doctor like his father, graduated a year early from high school, and is currently going to John Hopkins University for his doctorate in medicine. (If John goes to medical school, why not the best one in the country?) Matt and Wade have taken John on like a little brother, visiting him often. Will COULD be settled down into a family at 24, because I can see him being the type that settles down early like Brad did, but I wouldn't discount him still being single. 3. Wade and Matt are settled in D.C., getting married in late 2010 or early 2011. Wade works for a PAC, while Matt works for an consulting agency. Matt had worked with Bear-Stearns, but...well...you know how that went. Matt and Wade live in a tastefully rehabbed townhouse in a gentrifying part of D.C. They've decided to have kids of their own, and call up Tiffany for a fun weekend in the tropics with the purpose of procreating. 4. Zack Hayes is a closeted NFL football player. To make it fun, let's say that he was on the Arizona Cardinals, and had angry closetcase sex with "I Point To God" Kurt Warner. He now has angry closeted sex with Derek Anderson, who's a total top but has a habit of inappropriately laughing during sex. 5. Tiffany had a son they named Danfield Carrsworld van Den Boss-Graves(they just call him D.C.), and Jeanine had a daughter they named Gail(after Tonto) van Den Boss-Graves. The kids are currently 11 and doing well at Malibu Middle School. 6. To celebrate becoming empty-nesters in 2004, Brad and Robbie gave their Malibu house to Darius(who's married now to Ella), bought a yacht, and travel the world's best surfing spots all year long. 7. Darius attended some party school, then got into a decent law school, then passed the bar exam in 2007. He's expecting the birth of his first child with Ella in summer 2011, who acted for a bit but decided to become a teacher after realizing how brutal the acting world is. 8. JJ retired from figure skating after 2006 and 2010 didn't yield any medals. He's now going to college at Northwestern University although has yet to declare a major, is taking advantage of Stef's old condo, and more than loving the Magnificent Mile. When he's not shopping or going to class, JJ works with kids at the University of Chicago skating rink with a nationally well-known and respected coach. JJ has hook-ups with people of varying genders, but has absolutely no plans to settle down or have kids like brothers do. Now that he's 25 and out of the skating competition world, he's pretty much free to do what he wants, and likes to spend his nights partying at Chicago's best clubs and bars until 4 a.m. or later. Man. That was fun to write.

Why does JJ have three votes? I don't think JJ's dislike of Gathan is masking some secret attraction to him. Dude just straight up doesn't like Gathan. I think if someone told him that people thought he secretly wanted to get with Gathan, he'd barf at the thought and need to drop about a grand or so at Nordstrom for a silk tie to get the bad taste out of his mouth. It's like what Mark said- ice skaters and hockey players are like oil and water.

Yeah, it's a grown woman, playing a fictional Canadian teenage pop star from 1993. (The joke is that the 1980's didn't come to Canada 'til like '93.) It's from a show called How I Met Your Mother.

Rebecca Black totally ripped off Robin Sparkles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF1b1pf9DRY&playnext=1&list=PL843111ECEA2071BA I demand legal action!

"I'm Too Sexy" feels too butch for Stefan, though. Or at least, faux-butch. Stefan's just straight-up femme. There really is a method to why I pick the songs I pick.

It'd be illegal in California, though. And CA seeems incredibly tough on sex offenders, so I don't think Stefan would be dumb enough to have sex with a seventeen-year old in a state where it's illegal and would get him in trouble with Meghan's Law. I wasn't all that bothered by it- I think at this point I've resigned myself to the fact that Mark really wants to showcase middled-aged men having sex with teenagers. I just skim through that stuff. I've already got "Stacey's Mom" set aside for that inevitable moment when Will decides to have sex with some middle-aged dude in 2004-ish. I'm betting on it being Max, during some argument he's having with Tim over how they're raising their gaybies. So, aside from that, is anyone else getting some major Billy Crampton vibes from Zach? The fact that he's another 15-year old football jock doesn't help much.

Chapter 3 -When Gathan confronts Zach over the way he treated John and Will. And all of the general teen angst in this chapter. "Mutt" by Blink 182 http://listen.grooveshark.com/s/Mutt/xWRu9?src=5 -When Gathan gets to New York City. "Theme from New York, New York" by Frank Sinatra -When Gathan gets love lessons from the Master. "I Know What Boys Like" by The Waitresses Until "Milkshake" comes out, this is the closest to a theme that Stefan has. Well, aside from the Bitch is Back.

But we're talking high school kids. (Well, middle school in John's case.) At that age, you generally want to date someone that you can eat lunch with in the cafe, take classes with, and hold hands with as you walk down the hallway. Weekly visits wouldn't be enough to sustain an actual high school relationship, because of all the closeness and loyalty that teenagers demand out of their relationships, be it platonic or romantic. I mean, I knew kids who dated guys that went to nearby schools, but key- nearby. It could work, but I can't see anything deep happening here because of the distance. More "cousins who mess around and are good friends", and less "deep, soulmates joined together ala Matt and Andy in Adam Phillips' Cross-Currents." Well, considering that Will looks like this... And John looks like this.... I don't blame you! (But they're at least 17 in my mind.) Not to toot my own horn, but I did a damn good job fining someone who looks like they could be Brad's son, didn't I? LOL. (Okay, so his eyes need to be green, but other than that, Sean Farris works nicely.)

I'd prefer 16, but you're right, it's not unrealistic for him to start having sex at fourteen, especially considering that he's out of the closet and likely going to the GSA. JJ's gotta remain a virgin for awhile. But I can see why Will wouldn't. With John, I see things as a crush and flirtation that kinda fizzles into a frienship when they get towards the end of high school. You bring up a good point about the distance, plus there's also the fact that Will goes off to college before John does.

True. I've been assuming that 2003 is the story after 9/11. Because I know you won't force me to score three stories crammed into a two-year period again, right? We're going to skip over a boring year like 2002, right?*hopeful face* Hey, if you want to go the incredibly orginal route of having the Schluter boy fall for the troubled Hayes jock, by all means... Although since this one was actually raised by a Hayes, I guess that makes it different. Cent, I get your reasoning. I can deal with him going all the way only if it's with John. If it's with Gathan and he's still under 15, I'll be pissed. If they do go all the way at fourteen, I just hope it's more implied and not explicitly shown.

I'd say 16. You can drive then, you know what's going on, and you're halfway through high school at that point. I don't think 14, 15 year old kids are ready to go all the way. I think he should keep it to stuff like frottage, maybe oral, at this point. I did not think this would be a topic when we were only in 2000 in CAP land. I thought this wouldn't get brought up until Will was at least 16. If Will loses his virginity now, you won't be able to have that as a plot point when we get to Will fully narrating a story; I'm assuming during either his junior or senior year of high school. He's already out of the closet so you can't use that...I'd try and save at least some material for him.

Unfortunately there will never be a concentrated movement to get the drinking age back down to 18.

I honestly don't think Mark would go with having 13-year olds having fun in the S&M room. There are some lines that shouldn't get crossed. And 13-year olds aren't interested in stuff like that anyway. At that age it's all about early tenative sexual exploration- I don't think someone's going to look up ways to spice up sex when they're still new to it. I just had this thought- maybe the discomfort we've having is because we've followed Brad's kids since they were babies, and they were pretty well-featured. Brad existed in the story as a kid, but he didn't get that well-featured until he was about 11 with the Land Whore. But for Brad's kids, they've been featured a lot as little kids. So it's like, in a sense, Will and JJ feel like they're our own kids, and it's hard switching from seeing them as little kids to seeing them as sexually active teenagers. Well, Will and John. JJ's still pure as snow. Or at least he pretends he is for PR purposes.

I was initially pretty freaked out about it, but then I thought about it and realized that just because I think a 15-year old is a child, they themselves don't feel that way, and most of them don't want sit around and play with tonka trucks anymore. (Malibu Stacey for JJ. ) It's in character for Will, as a guy with a more mature body, to be sexually active. John Hobart, I'm guessing, is also very mature for his physical age, and therefore it's not that surprising he's having sex at 12. The only one I can't see as sexually active would be JJ. I feel having him sexually active as this point would be out of character. Mainly because most people at 14, male or female, don't go for 14-year old boys who still look like they're 11 or 12. They go for the guys who are built like Will and John. But I'm also arguing chastity for JJ because of the expectations JJ's under to maintain a pristine, virginal image as a figure skater. Finally, I can't really see that many people being all that interested in a prissy diva- his current persona would be a buzzkill in terms of dating. Hopefully JJ will take a backseat with all this sexuality stuff, and we won't see him getting into that stuff until he's at least 16 or 17. I'm assuming he won't be hit with the puberty stick until he's about that age.

My wisdom teeth came out fairly easy. I had them all removed at seventeen, and I was fine after a day of recuperating.

That's not that conclusive, though. He could have easily been a sophomore that got placed there because of space limitations.

I voted him as well. In the long term, I'm pretty sure John will likely wind up going back to New Jersey and I can't see Gathan following that. But it'd make for a nice college relationship. I mean, who really needs a "forever" guy at 18? And can we not have kids on here who have yet to reach the other side of 16 yet? Especially a 12-year old?

It's junior year for Matt and Wade...which means it's time to start looking for internships, doing things like study abroad, and looking at grad schools and the like.

Whoever it is, PLEASE not a Crampton/Schluter. The "Troubled Teenage Hayes Boy Falls For A Crampton/Schluter" deal has been done so many times at this point.

I'm assuming that when Gathan goes off to college, he'll meet more age-appropriate guys and his flirtation with Will is going to settle down into a nice friendship. I mean, I know CAP isn't known for it's realism, but buying that a 9th grade kid is going to be allowed to hang out with a bunch of college kids is just too much of a suspension of disbelief. Seniors, yes. College kids? No. I know Brad is generally relaxed, but that would be ridiculous. You know, Mark, this whole thing would have been a moot issue if you had just skipped over to 2004 or so when Will's eighteen and Gathan's 22....

I gotta echo what's been said here- don't be a douchebag who cheats on his girlfriend without her consent. If she can't handle you sleeping with men, then it's never going to work.

I think it would be cool if he ended up with a woman. You've never really had a bi character who fell for a woman instead of a man...although I guess Steve and Marjorie would count.

My entire family knows I'm gay. My closest friend, as well as the group we hung out with, all pretty much knew. Sometimes it can be really fun coming out... I was walking. These dudes were with some girl. They asked me if I thought this girl was "effable". I said, "I wouldn't know, because I only eff guys." The looks on those guys faces was absolutely hilarious! I first came out to my family when I was about...14? I was pretty open about my crush on David Boreanaz and Chad Michael Murray, and I'd rent gay movies like The Broken Hearts Club(barf) and Get Real(really good movie). I had my first gay acquaintance when I was 15- we werent close but it was cool to have that. . Here's the thing about me, Tet. I was a pretty effeminate kid growing up. Then my voice deepened at about 17 and my shoulders got broad. Now people generally assume I'm straight unless I tell them. It's pretty funny. I still just assume people figure I'm gay because that was how it was when I was a teenager. I was at a bar with my friend Sherry, and this guy asked if I was her boyfriend. I told him no, I'm gay. He basically told me I didn't look gay. It's still kinda weird that I no longer read as effeminate. It's not any particular effort I put into it- I didn't need to "prove" I was masculine, and it's not something I aspire to at all, but people just kinda assume that based on what I look like.

It would be interesting if Gathan wound up on medication. I don't Mark's explored yet the way in which so many people of the Gen Y generation are prescribed pills such as Adderall, Lexapro, Prozac, etc etc etc.

What was so refreshing about Matt was that he was a Hayes boy who was actually normal. Of course, he wasn't actually brought up as a Hayes, so that says something.