8 hours ago, Bill W said:

 Being a guy who's a big college football and basketball fan, there are horrendous teams in each league as well.  Every year they're at the bottom of the standings.  

Dat's how my Saints were for years. They were in the same misbegotten old NFC West division with the Fail-cons, Rams, and 49ers (Montana, Young), winning the division was not happening for decades with the storied legend of the 49ers dynasty happening. It wasn't until the late 90s, the Saints were even decent competition.

That's why I'm having fun watching perennial loser Detroit building themselves into a competitive team.

Your point is well taken about long-term losers like the Browns, Giants, Jets. They all have one thing in common: sub-par offensive lines.

26 minutes ago, Valkyrie said:

There's nothing more horrendous than killing Santa.  

Or Grandma getting runover by a reindeer!