You'd make a great production editor for FoxNews, Nick.

 

Perhaps someone with more time on their hands will be inspired to show the other side of the coin you've conveniently managed to ignore here.

 

If you honestly believe that the Republican Party, taken at a glance as you've done here with the Democrats, are more "honest" and more committed to doing right by you as a person, then you're more naive than I would have ever thought.

 

Call it cynicism if you'd like, but Lord Acton had it right: "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

 

Rob

Give yourself a pat on the back, Nickolas. You have provided a wonderful example of basic politics. When your guy is caught with his pants down, you point out that the Emperor has no clothes.

 

By diverting attention away from your party's current problems and onto past problems of the other party, you hope to make people either forget your party's problems, or to become so disgusted they give up.

Both parties have had their bad actors. Nothing is accomplished by slinging mud.

 

I think that we should ignore party and vote for the person that best represents our values. I vote for candidates from both sides of the aisle based on a number of criteria. I don't like candidates that are too cozy with the religious right. I'll never vote for a candidate that grandstands on gay issues.

 

On the other hand, a democrat whose rhetoric sounds like North Korean or an Iranian propaganda has absolutely no chance of getting my vote.

 

We are all Americans. Mistakes have been made by our country. At this point let the zipperheads overseas talk smack about us. Let us pull together and put some some responsible leadership into office that is focused on fixing our unattended problems, and racheting down the conflicts we are ensnared in.

You'd make a great production editor for FoxNews, Nick.

 

Perhaps someone with more time on their hands will be inspired to show the other side of the coin you've conveniently managed to ignore here.

 

If you honestly believe that the Republican Party, taken at a glance as you've done here with the Democrats, are more "honest" and more committed to doing right by you as a person, then you're more naive than I would have ever thought.

 

Call it cynicism if you'd like, but Lord Acton had it right: "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

 

Rob

I love how instead of coming up with facts, the first thing you do is try to use an ad hominem attack against me. Did my list ruffle your feathers, Rob?? Appearently so. So here's what you need to do. Go get yourself a list together with Republican crooks and post it. Surely it can't be that hard to do.

I don't remember ever saying in my post that the Republicans are more honest than anyone other party, I merely pointed to the fact that the Democrats are full of crooks. Show me one place in my post where I said the Republicans are more honest or more committed to doing right by anyone.

It seems to me that you made a bunch of accusations before you thought. I would say you really ought to think twice about who you're calling naive.

 

Disband the UN!!!

You'd make a great production editor for FoxNews, Nick.

 

Perhaps someone with more time on their hands will be inspired to show the other side of the coin you've conveniently managed to ignore here.

 

If you honestly believe that the Republican Party, taken at a glance as you've done here with the Democrats, are more "honest" and more committed to doing right by you as a person, then you're more naive than I would have ever thought.

 

Call it cynicism if you'd like, but Lord Acton had it right: "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

 

Rob

I love how instead of coming up with facts, the first thing you do is try to use an ad hominem attack against me. Did my list ruffle your feathers, Rob?? Appearently so. So here's what you need to do. Go get yourself a list together with Republican crooks and post it. Surely it can't be that hard to do.

I don't remember ever saying in my post that the Republicans are more honest than anyone other party, I merely pointed to the fact that the Democrats are full of crooks. Show me one place in my post where I said the Republicans are more honest or more committed to doing right by anyone.

It seems to me that you made a bunch of accusations before you thought. I would say you really ought to think twice about who you're calling naive.

 

Disband the UN!!!

 

Nickolas, you're a writer, and a good one at that. A good writer knows how to make a point without having to declare it openly in the text of his writings. Now if attacking Dems was not a conscious intent with your post, try re-reading it from a perspective of a reader, not the author of the words. Again, make the honest attempt to look at it the right way, as a reader as well as the writer.

 

Especially take a look at the last line...the U.N. is a very imperfect organization with a lot of problems...but they've done more good since their founding than they've done harm. Many times if we listened to them (especially right now as they cry for help in Darfur, this would be a far better place. Why should we disband the UN as you encourage without any supporting information?

ugh...I have to get up in like an hour and a half to get ready for school, so I'll come back this afternoon to debate this....just remember, I never said teh repups were moral, either. In fact, I shouldn't have to point to their messes because they're all over the news. It's just funny to me that people are so shocked when its the repubs, but when its the dems, they act like it happens every day.....maybe because it does????

One thing I think everyone can agree on: BOTH parties have their bad actors. BOTH parties have at times been reluctant to deal with them.

 

Thanks for posting the list, Nick. It's always good to see both sides of every issue.

 

My own personal opinion: I think both parties have massive flaws, and need to fix them, and learn to speak out against malfeasance in office regardless of whether the problem is on the other side of the political aisle or their own. I'm against corruption, period.

Hey everybody :2hands:

Interesting to see how the discussion becomes "passionate". IMO you forget both an obviousness : politicians are only men, and sometimes weak men. As in every community you find the same percentage of crooks and venals.

For instance, in France, both sides (left and right) used their power to fill their pockets, the President Mitterand had an open "love affair", same things as "Watergate" happened several times on left and right sides, but the people appreciated the way the government leaded the nation and didnt care the private morality of those who governed. Even in the States, on one side Nixon with his records was obliged to resign, on the other side his decisions with China were a plus for US.

 

US is a very big nation, but even so big as you are, you cannt rule the world alone ! UN has only one advantage : its exists ! You should support it, strengthen it . See what happened with the SDN : its weakness couldnt prevent WW2. Think of it

Old Bob

Hey Nick, I agree, that when the opposition screwes up, the Dems, start popping bolts like it's the first time, and "oh how scandalous it is". Both parties are pathetic no doubt about it.

 

I just don't want to wake up by the light of a 100kilo ton flash. :nuke: The terrorists already have their enemy, if we back off now, they won't.

 

I do think that your fishing expedition has landed the catch that you were looking for.

 

Ex.

 

P.S. You forgot William Jefferson. Dem. Louisiana, between$ 90,000, and $100,000 in COLD CASH in his freeezer, under investigation yet, but still welcomed among his compatriots.........hummm?

I know....actually, someone posted this list on an AOL message board so I copied it and pasted it.....I just hope people are reading every name on the list....btw, I'm looking for a republican list, but I can't seem to find one. Maybe someone here can steer me in the right direction

Though I really don't care about the situation one way or the other and didn't try too hard, but here's a list of just the Republican Sex Scandals:

 

Adelphia Communications Corp.: Donated large sums of money to some of the most conservative members of Congress. They are also the first cable company to offer hard-core adult movies to subscribers. Daily Kos article

 

Edison Misla Aldarondo, Republican legislator, was sentenced to 13 years in prison for molestation of his daughter and her friend for eight-year period starting when they were 9. Full Article

 

Randal David Ankeney, Republican activist, arrested on suspicion of sexual assault on a child with force. He faces 6 charges related to getting a 13-year-old girl stoned on pot and then having sex with her. Source Also accused of sexually assaulting another girl. Denver ABC Article

 

Dick Armey (R-Texas), former professor, has been accused by The Dallas Observer of sexually harassing female students.

 

Jim Bakker, televangelist with Pat Robertson at Robertson's Christian Broadcasting network. Committed adultery with Jessica Hahn [1] and then used charitable donations to pay her hush money[2]. Fellow televangelists say he's gay. [3][4]Indicted on 23 federal charges of fraud, tax evasion, and racketeering [5].

 

Bob Barr, Republican Congressman from Georgia. Sponsored the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act, saying "The flames of hedonism, the flames of narcissism, the flames of self-centered morality are licking at the very foundation of our society, the family unit." Was married three times. Paid for his second wife's abortion (she also suspected he was cheating on her). Failed to pay child support to the children of his first two wives and while married to his third and present wife was photographed licking whipped cream off of strippers at his inaugural party.

 

Merrill Robert Barter, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy. Booth Bay Register Article

 

Robert Bauman, Republican congressman and anti-gay activist, was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. Source: Washington Blade

 

Parker J. Bena, Republican activist and Bush Elector, pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography (including children as young as 3 years old) on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000. Source

 

Louis Beres, chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon. 3 of his family members accuse him of molesting them when they were pre-teens. Editor and Publisher article. In August 06, Beres confessed. The Portland Mercury

 

Howard L. Brooks, Republican legislative aide and advisor to a California assemblyman, was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography. Sacramento Bee article

 

John Bolton Bush's appointee ambassador to United Nations, corroborated allegations that Mr. Bolton’s first wife, Christina Bolton, was forced to engage in group sex have not been refuted by the State Department. Raw Story Article

 

Mike Bowers Former State Attorney General, prosecuted the famous Bowers vs. Hardwick case, based on Georgia anti-sodomy laws. Admitted to a 10-year adulterous affair Slate article

 

Pat Buchanan predidential candidate, media talking-head. His campaign refused to confirm or deny whether Pat has had chlamydia or any other venereal diseases.

 

Andrew Buhr, Republican politician, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy. Source

 

Ted Bundy campaigned for the Republican Party. Infamous serial rapist who murdered 16 women. Source: BBC

 

Jim Bunn Congressman of Oregon: With his success due in great part to support from the Christian Coalition, Bunn won his congressional seat, then immediately ditched his wife (and mother of his five children), married a staffer, and put his new wife on the state payroll for the unheard-of salary of $97,500. Conservative Babylon

 

John Allen Burt, Republican anti-abortion activist, convicted of sexually molesting a 15 year old girl at the home for troubled girls that he ran. Source: Pensacola News Journal

 

Dan Burton, Republican Congressman who, while married, fathered a child by another woman. Salon.com Article

 

George W. Bush, Republican president, accused in a criminal complaint and lawsuit of raping Margie Schoedinger, who was later suicided. Accused by Tammy Phillips, a former stripper quoted in the National Enquirer in 2000 saying she had an affair with Bush that had ended in 1999. Also noted by Mrs. Blount whom G.W.BUSH while campaigning for her Husband Red Blount and while G.W.BUSH was possibly A.W.O.L from the Air National Guard at age 26 he was all over their 14 year old daughter.

 

Neil Bush, brother or G. W. Bush, in a March 2003 divorce deposition, admitted repeatedly having sex with strange women who just showed up at his room while on an Asian business trip. (Overshadowing the sex scandal; the business scandal--see link.) Washington Post article.

 

John Butler, Republican activist, was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

 

Ken Calvert, Congressman (R-Ca), champion of the Christian Coalition and its "family values." Sued as an alimony deadbeat by his ex-wife. Said "We can't forgive what occurred between the President and Lewinsky." In 1993 he was caught by police receiving oral sex from a prostitute and attempted to flee the scene.

 

Charles Canady, Congressman (R-Florida), Judiciary Committee member. Lied to his constituents about his adulterous affair with Sharon Becker, which caused her divorce.

 

Helen Chenoweth, Congresswoman (R-Id.). In 1995, Chenoweth had denied having an affair when asked about it by The Spokane Spokesman-Review. In 1998 she called (in a campaign ad) for Bill Clintons resignation saying "I beleive that personal conduct and integrity do matter". Days laters she admitted to a six-year adulterous affair with a married associate. but now she claims a pardon from a higher authority: "I've asked for God's forgiveness, and I've received it," she revealed.

 

Keola Childs, Republican County Councilman, pleaded guilty to sexual assault in the first degree for molesting a male child.Honolulu Star-Bulletin Article

 

Kevin Coan, Republican St. Louis Election Board official, arrested and charged with trying to buy sex from a 14-year-old girl whom he met on the Internet. Source: Newmax

 

Roy Cohn, continually condemned gays and gay rights. Was a closet gay who died of AIDS. Wikipedia Article

 

Carey Lee Cramer Political consultant and anti-Kerry ad producer, tried for molesting two young girls, one of whom lived with him, and was 8 yrs old; the other starred in an anti-Kerry commercial. Diary Diary. The Monitor.

 

Dan Crane, Republican Congressman, married, father of six. Received a 100% "Morality Rating" from Christian Voice. Had sex with a minor working as a congressional page. Salon.com article On July 20, the House voted for censure Crane, the first time that censure had been imposed for sexual misconduct.[6]

 

Paul Crouch Televangelist, Former President of Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). Paid $425,000 in hush money in an attempt to cover up a gay affair. Christianity Today article

 

Richard A. Dasen Sr., Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, convicted of sexual abuse of children, promotion of prostitution and several counts of solicitation, enough to add up to a sentence of 126 years in prison. Investigators estimated that he spent up to $5,000,000 on prostitutes.

 

Missoulian Article on the trial | Missoulian Article on his conviction

 

Richard A. Delgaudio, Republican fundraiser and Bush pioneer, was found guilty of child porn charges. WBAL Channel article

 

Peter Dibble, Republican legislator pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl. News Channel 8 Article

 

Nicholas Elizondo, Director of the Young Republican Federation molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison. Halfway down this Bakersfield Californian article

 

Thomas B. Evans, Jr. -R Congressman from Delaware may have had an afair with Paula Parkinson (see his article for more info).

 

Larry Dale Floyd, Republican Constable in Denton County, Texas Precinct Two. Arrested for allegedly crossing state lines to have sex with an 8-year old child and was charged with 7 related offenses. Age 62 at time of arrest. Dallas News Article | Atrios Article

 

Mark Foley, Republican Representative, Florida Sixteenth Congressional District. Resigned after trying to solicit sex from male congressional pages via an instant messenger program. The conversations included his asking a sixteen-year-old "stud" whether his penis was erect and requesting that he take out and measure his penis. The cover-up involved Republican House Majority Leader John Boehner, Ohio Eighth Congressional District and Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert, Illinois Fourteenth District.

 

John Fund, of the Wall Street Journal, a prominent anti-abortion columnist and GOP fund raiser. He lost his position after it was revealed that he impregnated the daughter of an old girlfriend and then encouraged her to abort his child. American Politics Journal Article

 

Jeff Gannon Partisan blogger with no journalism credentials and a fake name who got invited to Bush's Press conferences. Is also a pimp and a gay prostitute. Truthout Article. See also dKospedia's page on Jeff Gannon.

 

Jack W. Gardner, Republican Councilman, had been convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl. when the Republican Party, knowing of these crimes, put him on the ballot. Article with documents

 

Richard Gardner, a Nevada State Representative

I agree that republicans are hideous too, and those descriptions show it for the most part...but what we need is a list of convictions....half of those are just things that happened in their lives, not crimes. But I admit that the listed crimes were pretty gross (raping a 5 year old ) Thanks Joe

Politicians are gross. Yuck. I just skimmed both lists and I feel like I need a shower.

 

Maybe we need to fire the politicians and lawyers and elect doctors, engineers, scientists, farmers, etc.

 

They aren't perfect but they bring knowledge to the table. Politicians only bring baggage.

Politicians are gross. Yuck. I just skimmed both lists and I feel like I need a shower.

 

Maybe we need to fire the politicians and lawyers and elect doctors, engineers, scientists, farmers, etc.

 

They aren't perfect but they bring knowledge to the table. Politicians only bring baggage.

Like most folks, this scientist and engineer (me) has on occasion daydreamed that I was President. I do a lot less of that post-Carter. I'm not saying we're alike (for one thing, I would never lose sleep over "lust in my heart" ), but in several important ways, Carter was and is what I aspire to be. And look what happened.

 

On second thought, we'd be better off with Carter as President today. Gosh, who would have thought, when we first elected Shrub, that he'd actually have to do something? Joke's on us! :wacko:

 

On a lighter note: This is my first visit to Nick's blog (yeah, I'm slow), and I note the huge fonts in most of his posts. I guess he had to shrink down a bit this time just to fit that long list in a reasonable space I previously considered that Nick liked to shout in forums. Now I think he's enthusiastic.

 

km

Maybe we need to fire the politicians and lawyers and elect doctors, engineers, scientists, farmers, etc.

They aren't perfect but they bring knowledge to the table. Politicians only bring baggage.

Hey,

I dont want to give my country (Switzerland) as an example, but the facts are the facts. We have in our 2 parliaments about 300 senators and deputies (for a population of 7 millions inhabitants), elected all 4 years. They are all part-time politicians (max 50 % of their time) , have a professional situation (lawyers, engineers, teachers, workmen, peasants.. aso) have just their travel and administrative costs paid. Its an Honour to be elected and not a profit. In the last 10 years, if 2 % of them made an personal and financial advantage from their election, it would be a max. And these 2 % ended in jail.

Why what is possible in Switzerland couldnt exist in the States ?

Farewell, citizen of the strongest Country of the world.

Old Bob

Ask and ye shall receive...

 

http://www.gopscandals.org/

 

There's just so many of them their organized by category instead of name.

Ask and ye shall receive...

 

www.gopscandals.org

 

There's just so many of them their organized by category instead of name.

um...yeah, did you try to open the links before you posted that site??? All Im getting is a search engine, no scandal reports

http://www.gopscandals.org/

 

Hmm, copied and pasted from the url directly...not sure what's wrong

oooh, I think I have it figured out.....there are no scandals to write about Just kidding dan