Pete Bruno

Thank God, I hope you're not kidding me, because I though I was the only one who had this experience. And it has been my experience that those who claim to be the most tolerant and open minded are usually the opposite.

I try to watch it here in the US along with Rugby whenever I can. My opinion, these guys are the true manly studs of sport. Not to mention fucking hot!

Just for the sake of this discussion I would like to clear up one point. When I (and the author of Celluloid Closet) use the term "sissy" it was not ever meant to illustrate the degree of effeminacy of a character. In the context that it was used all gay men were sissies, they happened to feature the most flamboyant men they could find. Since I don't watch D Housewives I wasn't aware of the characters mentioned, but glad to hear about them. My family and friends all know I'm gay, but they also know I don't like to make a big deal about it, and given my size and build many times I'm in social situations were people who don't know me assume that I am straight; and gives me the opportunity to hear the unvarnished true feelings about gay men and women. It's like being a spy and undercover; believe me, there is much less tolerance out there than you could believe.

The choice of this topic is the result of a discussion about the hit show 'Modern Family', I personally dislike the show for many reasons, especially what I consider low and gratuitous humor; but what I find most offensive is the portrayal of the gay characters. Yes, there are many gay men who are effeminate in the world, but is it necessary to make them the face of all homosexual men? In my opinion no, I find it much like the treatment of blacks in the old movies, shuffling and bugged eyed; it fits the stereotype that a still basically homophobic society wants perpetuated. Then I remembered the documentary 'The Celluloid Closet' and it's discussion of the use of the stock "sissy" character in movies. From the review of the book: "The screen version of THE CELLULOID CLOSET ironically points out another shortcoming of the book. The film showcases interviews with gay actors Harvey Fierstein and Quentin Crisp, and the discussion of the “sissies” is particularly illuminating. In the book, Russo trashes the Hollywood sissies, pointing out all of their negative and stereotypical implications. In the film, Fierstein readily admits that he loves the sissies, in all their stereotyped glory. Is Fierstein not toeing the politically correct line? Didn't he read Russo's dissection of the sissy? Doesn't he know the sissies are part of his oppression as a gay man?" As previously stated I disagree, especially with Mr. Fierstein in one sense, if the sissy was part of a larger gay cast it would be fine, and even funny, in that it would be showing the diversity of the homosexual community. But when the only representation is the sissy, it feeds into the common misconception that all gay men are sissies and all lesbians are lumberjacks. Okay, that's my take. What say you? This is the link to the review quoted above. http://gaybookreview...review/2543/543

Honestly, I have no clue and would never ask them. But I think deep down the problem is that these guys secretly have always wanted to try gay sex, but are afraid, mostly because one, they may like it and two, they can't get past the societies/religion attitude towards homosexual sex.

Then you're very lucky my friend. My experience has been quite different; it seems that my father was either gay or bisexual (I'm going with gay since it was gay porn I found in his closet) and I'm sure he got married in 1946 because he had to hide who he was. It did not result in a good marriage; I think they both were miserable, and I think he resented me because I was able to explore my sexuality while he felt trapped in a unwanted marriage. Then I met a man, in a gay bay no less, we went back to my place and well you know the rest. We began to see each other regularly, and imagine my surprise when I found out he was married and had four young children. By this time I was well on my way to being in love and was devastated; if he had told me from the beginning I would have never seen again. What made it worse was he continued to call me for two months, begging for me to see him. The answer was no, when your single give me a call; the sad part was not only was he very handsome (and porn star hung) but we had quite a bit in common, we both like sports, both playing and watching and he loved to get fucked; a marriage made in heaven, except that I was being used. One of the biggest lessons as a gay man I have ever learned is that no matter you’re your straight buddies say; they are never really totally okay with you being gay. I’ve been lucky in some way’s, I’m six one, 220lbs, and look like your typical linebacker, and have spent a lot of time in the gym. When people find out I’m gay they always say, “But you don’t look/act gay.” To which I reply, “It’s funny, you don’t look/act straight.” It either gets a big laugh or they get pissed off, but I don’t care. So yes, they are still your friends; they still play ball with you or shoot a round of golf, and watch football and drink beer, their wives invite for dinner and the kid's call you uncle. But I guarantee that when you are showering together at the gym, many of them still feel a bit uncomfortable, I know this because there have been times when I’ve called a few of them out on it. It’s because, I think, they can never see you as just their buddy, they only picture the sex acts you perform; and I do believe they try not to, but it’s just how they are wired. In the same way I could never, ever, ever lick a women’s vagina, they could never, ever think of sucking cock. So I guess what I’m trying to say, for me anyway, I’d be happy to play with a bi-sexual man as long as he tells me straight up that’s what he is, if after that he wishes to stay in the closet, fine. Also, I must admit that I may have a small problem with bi-sexual men because I am 100% gay, have always been and can’t change that reality; and while I live a very happy and productive life, it has not always been easy living with the prejudice, the slurs and condemnation that follows gay men and women around their entire life. Finally, I guess that I am just a tiny bit jealous, that a bi man can just ‘drop in for the weekend’ so to speak and have his fill of hot man to man sex and then go back and live his life in straight society and not be looked at like a freak. That said, I will admit that is the main reason for my skepticism of bi-sexual men is unfounded, even maybe unfair; but at least I’m honest, and most of all very human.

Well I think you're entire post is absurd. Firstly, all I did was quote a very famous GAY actor, writer,and director from a equally famous GAY movie, I never once questioned anyone's sexuality. Secondly, I spoke of my experience as a gay man. If I'm not mistaken I'm clicked on the forum tab and entered the lounge section of this website. Silly me, I thought it was a place were one could speak freely about themselves, their lives and their opinions.

Anyone who mentions the Cardinals, except to curse them and their furry little friend should be banned from this forum. Signed Brokenhearted Phillies Fan

I'm very sorry, but I was typing fast and failed to proof read. I t should have read "Show me". They were talking about a guy that Arnold was having an affair with who claimed to be bi. It was his way of saying that a lot of men who claim to be bi are really gay. Now I do now a few men who are truly bi-sexual, but it has been my experience (espec. between the ages of 18 and 30) that more often than not it was a cover when someone was afraid of coming out.

This is my first post here, so please don't anyone be offended, I am old (55 on 11/11) and opinionated. The comments I find most interesting are about 'evolving sexuality', this is something that never happened to me, and it's just hard for me to get my head around the concept. It could be because the only thing that has evolved in me was my acceptance of my own homosexuality. I've often joked that I knew I was gay in the womb, since I had to cut out rather than passing through a vagina. Bad joke I know. I have slept with (oh God!) many, many "straight" and "bi-sexual guys in my time; especially guys I played baseball and football with in high school and college; and while during that time (in fact until I was in my late twenties) I wasn't officially 'out', I had no doubt in my mind that I was 100% gay. Call me skeptical, but I'm with Arnold Becker (Torch Song Trilogy) when he says "So me a man who leaves his boyfriends bed to sleep with a women, and I'll show you a true bi-sexual."