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Rilbur, you are assuming K12 and wish to limit the entire thread to it ... but it doesn't mean others will accept to be limited the thread is open to include college or any means of how education is delivered The conversation is be discussing current delivery of education not the future of the technology or hints of innovation or envisioning beyond whats current rolled out to the public and experienced Private company contributions to both public and private schools has not really been entirely successful in the past. Perhaps we can only hope that the DOE or BOE have change their ways but one can doubt that since the DOE head has been put out four long noses recently What I shared was from actual experience of how education is delivered from example of a college ... in short summary Stop calling BS .... when its the truth that in addition to the book or website book or ebook ... there are other ways the publisher is making money with course extras or trying to prevent their international book from being sold domestically ... in the hear and now ... education is quite expensive for quality it brings the us at #25 globally his thread is discounting the sales force of the book maker who is trying to make the sale of their book \ education product with an institution (state or private) also discounting the educator who is trying to get the best book that assists in teaching the course ... rather than teach every thing for them discounting the salesman perks who will use means to get the sale vs help the educator find the best book the "50% less" is a figure of speech ... it denotes that making far less than previous years that imply that it would not be profitable of course you don't see that, your making arguments of assuming what to account for but really don't have any corporate accounting proof or book publisher industry experience Yes, if I look beyond your argumentative speech ... we can hope that publisher and education could one day work out the changes in their business issues in many years to come but its not today. save the argument with an actual bookmakers CEO ... he will see if you know your stuff or not ... but he won't care because he has people under him that is advising him all he is interested is how his company will make a lot of money for his investors and stockholders ... but really its to insure his mufti-million dollar salary plus bonus if your arguing you wish to be an entrepreneur in what ever segments of the industry that involves education or devices.... good luck The discussion is to open up to people who are in the position to witness real changes in the education process .. they might be sharing what they are experiencing in their part of our country but it may not be ubiquitous in other parts of the country. but that's ok Your wishes for a cheaper device ... the current experience is that its not been successful ... because of economics n politics ie: the 100 dollar laptop nonexistent ... the 200 tablet too expensive ie: its nice that there is the 35 dollar teaching device for students to learn the basics of a computer ... but it doesn't mean that every school will provide that course or the hw lol, a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and storage device would still need to be provided ... this type of course would certainly border on a Microprocessor and Programmed Logic course in college but I'm not going thru the math to see how much all this would cost because it doesn't answer the question of being portable device in other courses Lugh, mentioned the BYOD that happens to be policy in their school region ... so there won't be any book return nor device return ... we can assume that they put in the code to auto delete the ebook or employ DRM to expire the use. No more defaced textbooks. I don't have experience on the consequences of defacing a textbook but it doesn't mean that I didn't receive a textbook that was already defaced. I always wondered what the parent goes through when the school inquires about it. I be interested to find out that these areas of the country where BYOD is where the richer folks live ... because of Lugh tough voice ... its hard to figure if what is said is to be the tough school policy ... or to explain how it came about .. or is this an experiment ... or a phased in policy that the entire state will follow As for college, they took the smart step of having the students buy their own books and letting the stores decided that the book is worth to buy back or not. That solves the problem of defaced or losted books but its also interesting how enterprising people will find a way to make a living in the system. So far I have not looked for news where bookstores would hunt down and stop independent people from barging into their business. However, they may not be able to make money from students who have book vouchers since these independent people are not real business. I noticed Amazon getting into the education book business but what makes it hard is their market place ... its hard to communicate in the short period to make sure one is obtaining the book required for the course in time before one gets behind in one studies. Getting the wrong book is an issue but the student is conscious that they don't want to spend an arm and a leg for it either. But we can all see that ebooks or ecourses will put a stop to the short term business ... yes you can say K12 can't remedy the book issue conditions and cost like college have done for years ... because of the way public school education is structured ... the services it provides is to insure everyone gets an education ... so BYOD in some places in the country can be a determent But still thank you for some of your sharing in this thread ... thanks for the reminder that the country still has to cater to the poor ... which is the reason why schools or colleges won't be disappearing any time soon ... but the question is ... as publisher becomes more involved with the education process in book or electronic form ... the later making strives ... won't we see a shift from public schooling to home schooling ... if most of the educators are teaching by the publisher ... you can plainly answer not all but some will and some not ... rather than an argument Well my nephew, with the advancement of ecourses or ischool ... if he was under the old ways ... he have to pay 80,000 dollars for music college ... but because of today ... he saves 45,000 dollars because the college allowed accepted credited courses from other institutions ... (lol, I wonder if this is that same with universities or not? I kind of doubt it because uni need to make money but then its not an absolute belief because it depends upon the institution policy) Please note I am not telling any one if they are off topic or not ... as long as somewhere they are answering "Is the world ready for it?" It be nice to hear what is out there to make education better Lugh did mention the free online courses ... sharing evidence of how the educator is encouraging extra study ... the hint that the test may cover it and its an opportunity for students to not be lazy about their grades ... my economics teacher sure did drop hints like that ... but it surely a battle for a teacher in public education to help encourage and not come off as a turn off ,,, there is still the statistics of how many will graduate, attend, find a job .... at least I seen that some advisors are trying to improve the statistics as well as the educator ... there's room for improvement but considering the past 30 years its really an improvement but work in progress I am not sure what are the policies here about story spoilers in a thread but its nice to know you looked into the education topic for the next 50 years While your in so much of technology and you have the answer to every thing ... there is failure to describe how the educator is adapting and trying to make a difference with students there is a paradigm shift in the last 30 years ... but this is the place to see how its becoming better ... rather a haven for dis-education if it still exists ... I like to hear about other people experiences please note we both spoke too much ... lets let other people share what they want with us

some parents have to be cheap ... especially if they have like four or more kids or have high medical bills or some other reason I'd suppose that those districts had already informed the parents of the changes via pta n other announcements I wonder what were some of the concerns or if any students transferred to a lesser strict program if something better than kindle was offered at 50% off ... then the graphing calculator would not be needed in those districts how many students are having any problems in this new program? is this being done in a major city? other than dc lol, I like to see Chicago try it ... since they been in the news .. it burst the teachers bubble there in a bigger city there can be more problems that are unforeseen than in a much smaller city ie: like crime ... a mugger wouldn't care about textbooks but a tablet n smartphone right now crime rate for breaking into cars is up because the criminal sees something blinking in your car assumes its a smartphone or something is there proof the new programs are raising the level of education?

Not all text books are available as ebooks ... even if the books are 50% off ... the book company will design the courses materials ... meaning extra cost for online connection with the homework, assignments, exams and course management ... perhaps that adds about 75 to 200 to the price ... i am not sure what the school has to pay but I doubt its free another view of going electronic ... if price wasn't much of an issue and all text n course materials become 100% electronic ... then most students can in theory be home schooled ... you'll only need office space for the teachers from the textbook maker ... they don't like to make 50% less ... advance courses in college aren't electronic ... the book maker wants to be assured in the short run that they make their money.... ex: an textbook accounting textbook costs (like 250 dollars, an international version of the text cost like 75 dollars) plus eCourse $75... depending on your instructor ... they would allow or disallow which text are needed for the course ... the bookmaker hates when the students try to get the international version ... they try to prevent them but ebay can't stop this practice of selling international text in the USA unless the shipping company helps or if ebay polices the textbook actions ,,, lol, perhaps another way to stop this is to put out non-english version of the textbook ... but then the USA bookmaker has to compete with the global bookmaker or share the market ex: currently with regular text books ... there are some students supplementing their living by doing buybacks and reselling the textbooks ... once ebooks come about they will be gone ... I doubt that any one will be ever buying back ebooks from the book maker ... the ones that employ total eCourse ... they tend to do something similar to DRM ... meaning there would be no ebook ... the textbook would be accessed via the course managed website ... so the cost of the text would be like renting the text ... once your course or school years is over ... you don't have access to the course materials anymore .. another concern ... not all teachers teach the way the eCourses are laid out ... some don't agree with the material content ... some teach beyond the text ... some want job security

I like to see him do a french movie rather hearing screaming mother

another one will it make it to tampa?

Another one stranded but at least not at sea

can apple buy back stock at 8 cents on the dollar to save it from plumetting to 2011 prices?

so is there room for an Android or Kindle or Nook in iSchool? lol aSchool or kSchool or bnSchool? tablets been out for so long and why didn't get into the schools quicker? is it because the publisher of text books who sells the books at least 75 dollars each still wants to make 65 dollars each rather than 20 dollars each? a long time ago it was apple or pc in schools ... it had debatable results the consequences was in some place schools were broken into and the computers stolen I bet the iSchool needs to take replacement insurance on each iPad ... in case student damage their iPads it seems to decrease incidence of damage the ipad is only for classroom use lol, will it mean soon you will need less teachers and more assistant teachers because the iPad is doing the teaching?

we should have them built on this side of the Rockies but would that be a labor union issue?

whats the story behind this Thoikol SRB ... was it ever suppose to replace the challenger SRB? looks nicer than the one for the shuttle? Angelia Jolie paid 200,000 for a seat to ride this thing SLS looks like they are using thoikol SRB Saturn 5 and current sat delivery system why should this all cost so much recycling technologies? lol, if a junk yard company just put this together and launch it ... wouldn't cost much less?

JACK 2 lol

lets say it doesn't sink in its first three years ...would you take a voyage then?? rather than think of it as a living museum piece? lol, the queen mary is sort of a sample of the era of the design

not just safer speeds but had they practiced all the safety drills among its crew they know what was at stake to save the passengers (only the design engineers knew it) they wouldn't be so shocked in OMG and work from fear and inexperience they complied with old dated requirements the marketing of the unsinkable ship created an arrogance amongst the crew, the captain, the company, the world something like locked up binoculars in the cabinet shouldn't stop them from breaking into the cabinent if thats the equipment they need to search for icebergs Yeah I wonder if the sister ships still had a smaller rudder? The new ship would have the benefits of steerable thrusters... would a big rudder still be needed?? gosh .... this announcement ... its still sounds like their still trying to sell us whats safe and grand about it so with punlic feed back they know how much business they will get from the industry but if carnival keeps on having serious problems with their ships ... people will think worst of titanic 2

sounds like this is the ship that missed the 100th anniversary of the sinking of titantic I at the time it was having hard times getting funding and needed to bring its designs to current code the cost outweighed from doing it ... so they found a new investor?? the Britannic which was made into a hospital ship was either torpedoed or had struck a mine at its bow by their theory of the time ... the ship should not have sunk because the damage was containable unlike titanic's demise (from a documentary) one of the reasons why it sank was because of its double hull ... the damage allowed water to flood thru the length of the ship between the inner n outer hulls they didn't implement fixed compartments into the double hull like they had in their unsinkable design it could have saved the ship if only had they tested their deigns on their models this is discounting the open port holes or the doors that failed to close its bad design because the owner was out to make money ... not design for passenger safety I think its grand to have the titanic back one day ... gosh all the modern technology that will replace the old design lets hope that it won't be remembered like in Titanic 2 the movie ... nature found another way to sink this ship

earth isn't taking the issue seriously ... we don't have a network of satellites (in or near the asteroid belt) ... tracking them ... we expect the few ground stations and some orbital satellites to aid in our defense can we expect these rocks to come down on us a bit more frequently? we not even expecting some long range object coming from outside our solar system .... to come in and knock many of rocks at us ... we did put up like ten or twenty satellites in or around the asteroid belt ... wouldn't we use something else other than sight .. like radar or some other tracking of objects? perhaps the big issue to put out like twenty satellites ... is that its very costly to even begin to have a planetary defense system if we did have a big rock make a big hold in our planet ... would we really seriously start up a defense system or just continually deny needing it?

Apple hacked ,,, microsoft hacked ... the chinese security war is on ... as reported by the news back in Jul 2012 please watch out for your financial accounts, credit cards, ordering sites ... keep tabs on them for the next several months

you can put your kindle app on compatibility mode win7 until a win8 updated app is available

The King has been hacked! mcD helping a fallen opponent Hackers have it their way with Burger King’s site http://bostonglobe.com/business/2013/02/19/burger-king-plans-apology-after-twitter-hack/mYvQCsnWFrcZodpAm1gQpN/story.html

OMG Lifeboat time? not rowboats???

so California and Florida had meteor pass by ... is someone from space trying to tell us something?

its amazing how popular russia is at getting exploding meteorites ... so far i dunno any in canada but its not the same strength like the one that flatten trees in siberia is the news right it was 30miles above earth ... it look like 30k ft not 30 miles

I got win8 on an old dell core duo about 8 years old ... doing daily automated jobs for my brother Its bearable but its not fast ... I could have stayed with Win7 setup but since win8 didn't reject I kept on with it Its nice to have the search function on the new interface but it stinks that I can't right click to pin it to the start menu or the desktop its tiring to search for the item every time I played with preview office 2013 ... i didn't like what they did with excel ... i don't know if you can revert the interface back to 2010 look they fucked it up ... I'm surprised MS pushing such a clumsy interface on all users ... it will make them wanna stay on the older versions

can ipad or android play the graphic n cpu intensive games?

rancid air quality ... raw sewage leak ... 4 hr wait for onion sandwiches ... ... exposure to viruses and possible bacterial infections does a full refund trips and an extra 500 dollars compensate? I guess it pays for a plane ticket and a taxi and a dinner I wonder what the Costa Allegra gave? Gosh isn't Carnival ruining their record for the best cruises?