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oh he did well in the charlie n the chocolate factory and finding neverland its depp that made it more MJ gay ... which is why I prefer the original I like someone to explain why he's right for this prequel phyco series? wouldn't such a series try to "everyday it" make is less than what Hitchcock made it to be perhaps too early to judge ... wait n see wasn't it small townish ... urban would be it .. its the 1950s ... there wasn't much of anything lol, I wonder if many people will appreciate the day of NO techno goodies ( cell phones, tablets, computers, call and talk as much as you want, cable TV) now I'm reminded All the Presidents Men the 1949 version ... gosh I wonder anyone today would understand those days that people live through?

wow another one ... I'll try to remember to come back and read it

Lets say we are on the same page ... there are more choices in education today than it was 2, 5, 10, 20, 30 years ago but hopefully the choices won't become so overwhelmingly complicated to understand ( ebooks, hard copy, online classes, free classes, hybrid classes, regular classes etc ) the ebook vs the hard copy ... there won't be an across the board removal ... for the foreseeable future they will seem to coexist I can't say that the had copy will go by the way of like the revolution of the CD CD made an impact to the LP and cassette in about ten to twenty years But as you can see elements of that by gone era is returning in a different form We'd have to wait and see in the next 5, 10, 15 years about the demise of the hard copy It won't totally go away ... we will soon learn about the health n social effects of the tablet your thread with james ... its a little more complicated than the figures your throwing around ... lets call it your getting your feet wet but not necessarily have full grasp of the problem or the field ... you will learn more as you keep at gaining more knowledge or have interest in being the pioneer in the field ... i think james was teasing you ... he's a smart man .. he's seen how technology has change the world n how its been adopted ... i met such people ... there's nothing to prove but share the laughter K12 vs College ... I think most of us know the kind of differences ... but still the age old argument is that college n vocational can be a rip off and then college can be the greatest experience ever but still our system clocks us at #25 globally ... it will take an overhaul of the system currently in place but lets hope that we don't leave it to politics ... hopefully we will learn why the other are better but we will soon learn it takes more than toys and products ... we might learn its cultural with trade offs K12 reform we're still arguing on how to improve it next to tax overhaul ... but there's a lack of commitment because its tide up by many factors ... there needs to be a revolution of change rather than being hit hard by factors that come in cycles ... its nice to hear about short term spots of change but we all like to hear that spread throughout the country ... but then it gets stifled by factors we're still trying to renovate health care ... its still in argument, its just proof that change does come easy ... perhaps if lucas, gates, etc would give up their trillions to education via a foundation then perhaps that would help spark a revolution ( remember gates contribution to the education was at retail price where as others was at cost there reasons behind it but short of goodwill \ charity) we need ppl committed to the change rather than trying to get their name on the building or bust in the library the adoption of the tablet ... yeah MS was too early with their products ... but as companies are willing to try again ... the revolution of computing changes ... Perhaps part of the change is when the child takes the parents cell phone or tablet to play with and won't give it back Some parents are more than willing to buy a tablet ... but then some argue ... are you crazy to spend over 300 dollars and the kid smashes it one day Some can't afford it ... some don't see it as a way to go costs or sale price of the tablet ... well they started to come down because of competition and popularity ... but also the companies are competing with each other ... making sacrifices on their profit margin ... because its services sold that makes up for the cost of the hardware ... apple has their own method of staying the black ... but that's before competition has become fierce ... but that's the bmw crowd ... perhaps xbox\cell phones is a splendid example for hardware vs service ... and maybe it might work in the education arena ... apple is bundling in a different way ... a little off of this and that ... it all depends on where the decision makers sees the good deal for education there is no need to develop lower price tablets ... there are already low price android tablets for 75 to 180 dollars made by china .. they don't accept sd cards but as cheap throwaway devices maybe the best for school tablets ... unless your thinking of the apple version ... the it be double the price ... the best bet is to look at tablets in the generic sense ... then we don't have to care about apple, android, linux ... as long as they fulfill the minimum requirements ... but then a higher version would replace the need to purchasing a graphic calculator ... but probably not because testing places need to discourage cheating .. if the testing center should provide such calculators for a fee then that would help solve the problem of making the g-calc mandatory or if a student testing mode was added to the tablet then cheat would not be an issue. star trek did show us the children only computers and tablets ... it was very funny when the adults tried to used them ... I bet it was hard to make due in a dire situation. I can imagine a parent looking for the adult tablet tossing the children tablet aside because it has inferior n child safe capabilities. We don't know the cost to make them but we can guess that its not too far off than the adult tablet. Please note some laptops that have lower versions of a cpu are really the defective or modified versions of superior ones. Its not like we have to go outright to make a lower cpu ... now we have ARM we're learning to use it in different applied ways just like the higher powered cpu. We're already stepping into the part that has its purpose ... ie: Samsung S4 ... we can expect future devices to follow this method compared to the last 15 years but note syfy already taught us this more than 25 years ago. lol, I may have been the only undergrad in my day to use a mainframe to help calculate my physics labs or the first to use the first spreadsheets for educational n personal finance purposes, Now, its mandatory but then ppl only follow the fashion of the day ... paper n calculator private companies have to provide long term commitment to education ... not break in cycles ... the tech companies have been known for this because their industry is volitile there are companies that contributed by other means ... its old school but their CEO\Founders have long time been remembered BYOD or tablets provided ... we'll see how the crime wave adopts to it ... regular owners of their devices that are stolen but now lojack found .. the police aren't helping to retrieve them ... perhaps the reason is that its costing more to get it n prosecute than for the owner to just buy a new one ... its best to build in a make device inoperable ... selling the lojack method doesn't work like theft of real expensive property ... police don't see the value of personal info on devices ... i bet education is concerned about theft ... the parent maybe too when a family loses their 3rd or more device due to theft and accident ... insurance cost would start to rise Have you notice there is a trend ... seen by the parks dept ... there are places where there are zero children playing there discounting toddlers n preschool This may one day be the result of the choices made. There is concern that perhaps there be no children be into sports ... soon to be one day ... no Olympics of sports but the Olympics of the intellect or gaming. Poor people who can't afford the technology or the people that have a better sense of the technology ... those parks will be filled with children ... its really becoming hard to send ppl to the games because its becoming a luxury ... the place where parents made a lot of sacrifices because they have the love of sports or interest in supporting their children ... but that can change when the toddler embraces tablets, gaming, technology ... when they break from the traditions before the tablet remember there are at least 15 million people out of work ... the children will be taken cared of hopefully ... but the older ones that were suppose to go to their dreams got cancelled or changed ... the middle class is a bit broken ... the tablet makers are in fierce battle to see who will adopt to their tablets ... will they understand that losing part of the middle class made the fish in the pond smaller for sales of tablets ... sales are great ... will they continue? keep in mind ... old ways vs new ways ... perhaps its best to keep both alive ... when one day all electronics ceases to function we still have a backup of how to function with the old way ... with that in mind ... books won't be going away that quickly lol, Time Machine(1962) certainly didn't foresee our electronic age ... it was about the survival of man ... and books and an educator was the savior of mans future I hope someone will share with us about private or religious K12 ... it be nice to know how they embrace changes ... remember we here to learn "Is the world ready for it" more than argue and sure the laws and methods of today have to change

hehe I love your injected humor lol

i get that if the college has old buildings and the lack of a budget ... however the state school on the island ... they really been getting some needed state funding ... I expect them to be up to date yeah I agree 50% or better be a dream ... but it sounds like your lucky that they offer a lot of etexts I prefer hard copy because I hate to be on the computer all the time but then I hate the weight of the book lol

Hi, all cost depends upon the online course and what institution provides it and is accredited or not and its requirements some provide almost everything but when it requires something like software ... it helps when its accredited because they can help you get the student edition but that's after you paid the uni price for the course please note an accredited course is recognized by other institutions if the course is offered by non accredited institution, you wind up paying the high cost of the software but not the high cost of accreditation however the course is not recognized at universities but only as adult self improvement course

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Rilbur, you are assuming K12 and wish to limit the entire thread to it ... but it doesn't mean others will accept to be limited the thread is open to include college or any means of how education is delivered The conversation is be discussing current delivery of education not the future of the technology or hints of innovation or envisioning beyond whats current rolled out to the public and experienced Private company contributions to both public and private schools has not really been entirely successful in the past. Perhaps we can only hope that the DOE or BOE have change their ways but one can doubt that since the DOE head has been put out four long noses recently What I shared was from actual experience of how education is delivered from example of a college ... in short summary Stop calling BS .... when its the truth that in addition to the book or website book or ebook ... there are other ways the publisher is making money with course extras or trying to prevent their international book from being sold domestically ... in the hear and now ... education is quite expensive for quality it brings the us at #25 globally his thread is discounting the sales force of the book maker who is trying to make the sale of their book \ education product with an institution (state or private) also discounting the educator who is trying to get the best book that assists in teaching the course ... rather than teach every thing for them discounting the salesman perks who will use means to get the sale vs help the educator find the best book the "50% less" is a figure of speech ... it denotes that making far less than previous years that imply that it would not be profitable of course you don't see that, your making arguments of assuming what to account for but really don't have any corporate accounting proof or book publisher industry experience Yes, if I look beyond your argumentative speech ... we can hope that publisher and education could one day work out the changes in their business issues in many years to come but its not today. save the argument with an actual bookmakers CEO ... he will see if you know your stuff or not ... but he won't care because he has people under him that is advising him all he is interested is how his company will make a lot of money for his investors and stockholders ... but really its to insure his mufti-million dollar salary plus bonus if your arguing you wish to be an entrepreneur in what ever segments of the industry that involves education or devices.... good luck The discussion is to open up to people who are in the position to witness real changes in the education process .. they might be sharing what they are experiencing in their part of our country but it may not be ubiquitous in other parts of the country. but that's ok Your wishes for a cheaper device ... the current experience is that its not been successful ... because of economics n politics ie: the 100 dollar laptop nonexistent ... the 200 tablet too expensive ie: its nice that there is the 35 dollar teaching device for students to learn the basics of a computer ... but it doesn't mean that every school will provide that course or the hw lol, a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and storage device would still need to be provided ... this type of course would certainly border on a Microprocessor and Programmed Logic course in college but I'm not going thru the math to see how much all this would cost because it doesn't answer the question of being portable device in other courses Lugh, mentioned the BYOD that happens to be policy in their school region ... so there won't be any book return nor device return ... we can assume that they put in the code to auto delete the ebook or employ DRM to expire the use. No more defaced textbooks. I don't have experience on the consequences of defacing a textbook but it doesn't mean that I didn't receive a textbook that was already defaced. I always wondered what the parent goes through when the school inquires about it. I be interested to find out that these areas of the country where BYOD is where the richer folks live ... because of Lugh tough voice ... its hard to figure if what is said is to be the tough school policy ... or to explain how it came about .. or is this an experiment ... or a phased in policy that the entire state will follow As for college, they took the smart step of having the students buy their own books and letting the stores decided that the book is worth to buy back or not. That solves the problem of defaced or losted books but its also interesting how enterprising people will find a way to make a living in the system. So far I have not looked for news where bookstores would hunt down and stop independent people from barging into their business. However, they may not be able to make money from students who have book vouchers since these independent people are not real business. I noticed Amazon getting into the education book business but what makes it hard is their market place ... its hard to communicate in the short period to make sure one is obtaining the book required for the course in time before one gets behind in one studies. Getting the wrong book is an issue but the student is conscious that they don't want to spend an arm and a leg for it either. But we can all see that ebooks or ecourses will put a stop to the short term business ... yes you can say K12 can't remedy the book issue conditions and cost like college have done for years ... because of the way public school education is structured ... the services it provides is to insure everyone gets an education ... so BYOD in some places in the country can be a determent But still thank you for some of your sharing in this thread ... thanks for the reminder that the country still has to cater to the poor ... which is the reason why schools or colleges won't be disappearing any time soon ... but the question is ... as publisher becomes more involved with the education process in book or electronic form ... the later making strives ... won't we see a shift from public schooling to home schooling ... if most of the educators are teaching by the publisher ... you can plainly answer not all but some will and some not ... rather than an argument Well my nephew, with the advancement of ecourses or ischool ... if he was under the old ways ... he have to pay 80,000 dollars for music college ... but because of today ... he saves 45,000 dollars because the college allowed accepted credited courses from other institutions ... (lol, I wonder if this is that same with universities or not? I kind of doubt it because uni need to make money but then its not an absolute belief because it depends upon the institution policy) Please note I am not telling any one if they are off topic or not ... as long as somewhere they are answering "Is the world ready for it?" It be nice to hear what is out there to make education better Lugh did mention the free online courses ... sharing evidence of how the educator is encouraging extra study ... the hint that the test may cover it and its an opportunity for students to not be lazy about their grades ... my economics teacher sure did drop hints like that ... but it surely a battle for a teacher in public education to help encourage and not come off as a turn off ,,, there is still the statistics of how many will graduate, attend, find a job .... at least I seen that some advisors are trying to improve the statistics as well as the educator ... there's room for improvement but considering the past 30 years its really an improvement but work in progress I am not sure what are the policies here about story spoilers in a thread but its nice to know you looked into the education topic for the next 50 years While your in so much of technology and you have the answer to every thing ... there is failure to describe how the educator is adapting and trying to make a difference with students there is a paradigm shift in the last 30 years ... but this is the place to see how its becoming better ... rather a haven for dis-education if it still exists ... I like to hear about other people experiences please note we both spoke too much ... lets let other people share what they want with us

some parents have to be cheap ... especially if they have like four or more kids or have high medical bills or some other reason I'd suppose that those districts had already informed the parents of the changes via pta n other announcements I wonder what were some of the concerns or if any students transferred to a lesser strict program if something better than kindle was offered at 50% off ... then the graphing calculator would not be needed in those districts how many students are having any problems in this new program? is this being done in a major city? other than dc lol, I like to see Chicago try it ... since they been in the news .. it burst the teachers bubble there in a bigger city there can be more problems that are unforeseen than in a much smaller city ie: like crime ... a mugger wouldn't care about textbooks but a tablet n smartphone right now crime rate for breaking into cars is up because the criminal sees something blinking in your car assumes its a smartphone or something is there proof the new programs are raising the level of education?

Not all text books are available as ebooks ... even if the books are 50% off ... the book company will design the courses materials ... meaning extra cost for online connection with the homework, assignments, exams and course management ... perhaps that adds about 75 to 200 to the price ... i am not sure what the school has to pay but I doubt its free another view of going electronic ... if price wasn't much of an issue and all text n course materials become 100% electronic ... then most students can in theory be home schooled ... you'll only need office space for the teachers from the textbook maker ... they don't like to make 50% less ... advance courses in college aren't electronic ... the book maker wants to be assured in the short run that they make their money.... ex: an textbook accounting textbook costs (like 250 dollars, an international version of the text cost like 75 dollars) plus eCourse $75... depending on your instructor ... they would allow or disallow which text are needed for the course ... the bookmaker hates when the students try to get the international version ... they try to prevent them but ebay can't stop this practice of selling international text in the USA unless the shipping company helps or if ebay polices the textbook actions ,,, lol, perhaps another way to stop this is to put out non-english version of the textbook ... but then the USA bookmaker has to compete with the global bookmaker or share the market ex: currently with regular text books ... there are some students supplementing their living by doing buybacks and reselling the textbooks ... once ebooks come about they will be gone ... I doubt that any one will be ever buying back ebooks from the book maker ... the ones that employ total eCourse ... they tend to do something similar to DRM ... meaning there would be no ebook ... the textbook would be accessed via the course managed website ... so the cost of the text would be like renting the text ... once your course or school years is over ... you don't have access to the course materials anymore .. another concern ... not all teachers teach the way the eCourses are laid out ... some don't agree with the material content ... some teach beyond the text ... some want job security

I like to see him do a french movie rather hearing screaming mother

another one will it make it to tampa?

Another one stranded but at least not at sea

can apple buy back stock at 8 cents on the dollar to save it from plumetting to 2011 prices?

so is there room for an Android or Kindle or Nook in iSchool? lol aSchool or kSchool or bnSchool? tablets been out for so long and why didn't get into the schools quicker? is it because the publisher of text books who sells the books at least 75 dollars each still wants to make 65 dollars each rather than 20 dollars each? a long time ago it was apple or pc in schools ... it had debatable results the consequences was in some place schools were broken into and the computers stolen I bet the iSchool needs to take replacement insurance on each iPad ... in case student damage their iPads it seems to decrease incidence of damage the ipad is only for classroom use lol, will it mean soon you will need less teachers and more assistant teachers because the iPad is doing the teaching?

we should have them built on this side of the Rockies but would that be a labor union issue?

whats the story behind this Thoikol SRB ... was it ever suppose to replace the challenger SRB? looks nicer than the one for the shuttle? Angelia Jolie paid 200,000 for a seat to ride this thing SLS looks like they are using thoikol SRB Saturn 5 and current sat delivery system why should this all cost so much recycling technologies? lol, if a junk yard company just put this together and launch it ... wouldn't cost much less?

JACK 2 lol

lets say it doesn't sink in its first three years ...would you take a voyage then?? rather than think of it as a living museum piece? lol, the queen mary is sort of a sample of the era of the design

not just safer speeds but had they practiced all the safety drills among its crew they know what was at stake to save the passengers (only the design engineers knew it) they wouldn't be so shocked in OMG and work from fear and inexperience they complied with old dated requirements the marketing of the unsinkable ship created an arrogance amongst the crew, the captain, the company, the world something like locked up binoculars in the cabinet shouldn't stop them from breaking into the cabinent if thats the equipment they need to search for icebergs Yeah I wonder if the sister ships still had a smaller rudder? The new ship would have the benefits of steerable thrusters... would a big rudder still be needed?? gosh .... this announcement ... its still sounds like their still trying to sell us whats safe and grand about it so with punlic feed back they know how much business they will get from the industry but if carnival keeps on having serious problems with their ships ... people will think worst of titanic 2

sounds like this is the ship that missed the 100th anniversary of the sinking of titantic I at the time it was having hard times getting funding and needed to bring its designs to current code the cost outweighed from doing it ... so they found a new investor?? the Britannic which was made into a hospital ship was either torpedoed or had struck a mine at its bow by their theory of the time ... the ship should not have sunk because the damage was containable unlike titanic's demise (from a documentary) one of the reasons why it sank was because of its double hull ... the damage allowed water to flood thru the length of the ship between the inner n outer hulls they didn't implement fixed compartments into the double hull like they had in their unsinkable design it could have saved the ship if only had they tested their deigns on their models this is discounting the open port holes or the doors that failed to close its bad design because the owner was out to make money ... not design for passenger safety I think its grand to have the titanic back one day ... gosh all the modern technology that will replace the old design lets hope that it won't be remembered like in Titanic 2 the movie ... nature found another way to sink this ship

earth isn't taking the issue seriously ... we don't have a network of satellites (in or near the asteroid belt) ... tracking them ... we expect the few ground stations and some orbital satellites to aid in our defense can we expect these rocks to come down on us a bit more frequently? we not even expecting some long range object coming from outside our solar system .... to come in and knock many of rocks at us ... we did put up like ten or twenty satellites in or around the asteroid belt ... wouldn't we use something else other than sight .. like radar or some other tracking of objects? perhaps the big issue to put out like twenty satellites ... is that its very costly to even begin to have a planetary defense system if we did have a big rock make a big hold in our planet ... would we really seriously start up a defense system or just continually deny needing it?

Apple hacked ,,, microsoft hacked ... the chinese security war is on ... as reported by the news back in Jul 2012 please watch out for your financial accounts, credit cards, ordering sites ... keep tabs on them for the next several months

you can put your kindle app on compatibility mode win7 until a win8 updated app is available

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