Enric Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 It could that she didn't want to be labeled a whore. Even in the 70's, there were still people who weren't exactly keen on such a label. Not everyone was a hippie. but already the fact that she had son without marrying, gave her that label. To ferret out the man who sired the child, does not add the whore label - it rather adds the label of 'want alimony, need child support' btw, even full brothers are usually not that similar as you have made Brian and JP to be. so, the artistic license goes to implausibility. Half-brothers should be somewhat more different, already in outlook, physical characteristics, suchlike Btw, Bill H who was already an adult, and possibly almost middle years when siring JP, would have been an elderly man in the 1970s. In his sixties or seventies. Really, I expected that JP somehow would have been the father. Something like, donated sperm to a good cause, or somesuch. -------- btw, someone in earlier messages apparently failed to understand that the twins of Isidore were sired by different fathers. The girl by JP, and the boy (now dead) by Jeff. So, the girl does NOT carry Jeff's blood. Link to comment
Enric Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 TIME PASSED IN THE PAST Actually, these inconsistencues with chronology are things which seem to happen not too rarely to writers. There are people who do not grasp even the point that time really passed also in the past. For example, Gustav II Adolf and the Thirty Years' War was not the same time (and people) as, say, the wars of Frederick the Great. Then there are people who grasp that time passed in the past too, and have characters to have a changing lifespan. But many of those still make inconsistencies with their chronology. Such as, a character from someone's childhood, to appear again and be more or less the same when thirty years have passed in the 'main' storyline. And, there are better writers yet: they understand enough to have made that side character also to have advanced. But, a minor inconsistency would be if in the span of thirty years, such character got only ten years older... Link to comment
Mark Arbour Posted August 2, 2009 Author Share Posted August 2, 2009 Some thoughts: 1. Bill Hendrickson would have had to be older when Brian was conceived, probably in his 60s. It's entirely feasible for older men to sire children at that age, and to be very sexually active. Just ask some of the older guys on this site. 2. Keep in mind that the "stunning resemblances" everyone sees are being viewed through their own frame of reference. While two half-brothers may not be twins in the eyes of a stranger, to family members who have JP's face and mannerisms ingrained into their psyche, even a somewhat similar appearance would have a major impact. 3. I didn't explain why Brian's mother didn't say anything, which leaves us free to wonder. Maybe Bill gave her money and she squandered it? Who knows. Link to comment
Hermetically Sealed Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Consider that Larry King fathered a son at age 67, or that Donald Trump had a son when he was almost 60. It may not be the norm, but hardly unheard of or rare for men in their 60's and even 70's to sire. Link to comment
Enric Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 probably in his 60s. It's entirely feasible for older men to sire children at that age, and to be very sexually active. Just ask some of the older guys on this site. weelll, there's also the thing called cognitive dissonance. Older guys in this site may well say that they are sexually active [most of them have their hands still left ]. And many of them may say that they have sex. And... were I to make a study about that, I would not be satisfied with assurances from the elderly, possibly decrepit respondents to the query. Also some actual evidence would be needed, for validation. Link to comment
Mark Arbour Posted August 2, 2009 Author Share Posted August 2, 2009 weelll, there's also the thing called cognitive dissonance. Older guys in this site may well say that they are sexually active [most of them have their hands still left ]. And many of them may say that they have sex. And... were I to make a study about that, I would not be satisfied with assurances from the elderly, possibly decrepit respondents to the query. Also some actual evidence would be needed, for validation. Twenty years from now, we'll see how you feel about that. Link to comment
Enric Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 ch23: slowly, but now close, we are approaching a new Bridgemont story. this has the features of a soap opera.... Link to comment
Enric Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Twenty years from now, we'll see how you feel about that. I tend to think that at that stage and at such an age, I will have maturer things. Not some quest for lost youth. And not some desperate struggle to delude that an old guy is as a teenager... I have heard that those who practically lost their youth, to something or other of the repression or whatever, may easily fall to a lifelong pretension mode... And, of course, Viagra has its customers. But I have thought that such actually is more usual in those generations which had yet 'sodomy' as crime, or other serious repression. One thing is certain: after 20 years, those who are on this site, are 20 years older. To some, it may mean they are in grave at that time. A 60-yo man now will either turn 80 at that time, or grow plant feed... Link to comment
Mark M Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Well well well finaly some DRAMA!!!! was not expecting this ever to drop haha....anyway great chapter...horrible cliff hanger!! lol the look poor clair must have gave JP it must be insane....anyway! Great! Link to comment
KJames Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 <snip>btw, someone in earlier messages apparently failed to understand that the twins of Isidore were sired by different fathers. The girl by JP, and the boy (now dead) by Jeff. So, the girl does NOT carry Jeff's blood. Hi, Enric...that'd be me...and I recently read the whole series...I didn't catch anything on them being physically different in hair or eye color, but I may have to go back and re-read it despite the sorrow that the Jeff era induces. Link to comment
KJames Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Well well well finaly some DRAMA!!!! was not expecting this ever to drop haha....anyway great chapter...horrible cliff hanger!! lolthe look poor clair must have gave JP it must be insane....anyway! Great! Nevermind the look she gave him, imagine the look he gave Brian! Link to comment
Enric Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Hi, Enric...that'd be me...and I recently read the whole series...I didn't catch anything on them being physically different in hair or eye color, but I may have to go back and re-read it despite the sorrow that the Jeff era induces. you may want to check how the likeness of JP is described in Claire: http://markarbour.gayauthors.org/chronicles/lw1.php and the likeness of Jeff in the young Billy. so, at least stef believes that this is a case where twins had different fathers. Link to comment
Tiger Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Just 60's and 70's? Men can even father children in their 80's and 90's, though the thought of a woman conceiving a child by a man that age kinda makes me queasy... I'm sure Brian's mother had her reasons for not telling him who his father was. It very well could have been that she was a prostitute or that she was threatened if she ever exposed the truth. Men with money can pretty well do what they want whenever they want. It's what power is all about. Link to comment
Mark Arbour Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 Just 60's and 70's? Men can even father children in their 80's and 90's, though the thought of a woman conceiving a child by a man that age kinda makes me queasy... I'm sure Brian's mother had her reasons for not telling him who his father was. It very well could have been that she was a prostitute or that she was threatened if she ever exposed the truth. Men with money can pretty well do what they want whenever they want. It's what power is all about. That's true. I see Bill Hendrickson as a good ol' boy who would "take care of it." If I would have written it in, filled in the blank, it would have gone like this. Bill gave Brian's mom (let's call her Sue) some money for an abortion. Sue wrangled with the issue, much like any woman who contemplates an abortion, and opted to have the kid instead. She kept the money for the abortion, figured she'd made her deal, now live with it, and Bill never knew he even had another son. As good as he was with JP when he found out, I can't see him consciously leaving Brian high and dry. Well, maybe high. Link to comment
Enric Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Just 60's and 70's? Men can even father children in their 80's and 90's, Ummm.... you know, there's age when certain things cease to function altogether, or their functionality is severely hampered.... All good bottoms know that theirs does not always necessarily have a hard-on - even if desired. But, elderly, decrepit men have often serious trouble with all that in theur sixties... and it's an old goat whose is hard in his 80s when needed. Remember that it's not sufficient that it's hard occasionally instead it needs to be hard when there's that younger woman receiving it (= when needed), and it needs to stay hard as much as some minutes... the mental pressure is also a factor... then, production of sperm is drastically decreased towards decrepit age... So, when you talk about 80s and 90s, such is so very rare that the realism (of a conception) is challeged... Link to comment
Tiger Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 I didn't say it was a likely event, Enric. However, it can happen. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-476980/Worlds-oldest-father-21st-child-90.html Link to comment
Mark Arbour Posted August 3, 2009 Author Share Posted August 3, 2009 I didn't say it was a likely event, Enric. However, it can happen. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-476980/Worlds-oldest-father-21st-child-90.html If anyone could do it, Bill Hendrickson could. Link to comment
Enric Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 some wording in late stages of ch23 indicate to me that we'll hear yet something more complicated about that very conception. Bill the goat were not necessarily the daddy doing the siring.... speculation: JP goes to confess that it was he who produced the sperm in the year 70 or so.... what if.... JP was drunk at a visit to that forsaken place... or what if he donated sperm for fertility treatments... or what if he met the 'Sue' in California, her some voyage... we'll see to what those veiled words there in ch23 will amount... Link to comment
Mark M Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 SinceBrian is said to be a younger version of JP, i cannot see brian being his son rather then brother...i just don't get why they just jumped to conclusions...like wouldn't JP think it out and MAKE 100% sure that it's Bills son? DNA test? Jp's Vs Brian.... I duno i'm excited for the next chapter but yet it could be something i don't want....or something that i do? i duno! although i love how brads getting alot of talking in there and is a vital Character to the situation.... When is the next wardroom or Captian Voyages chapter gona be up...(made up "Captain Voyages") lol Link to comment
Conner Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I absolutely roared laughing throughout that chapter! Stef was in fine form! Excellent, Mark! Link to comment
Mark Arbour Posted August 4, 2009 Author Share Posted August 4, 2009 I absolutely roared laughing throughout that chapter! Stef was in fine form! Excellent, Mark! Thanks Conner! Link to comment
Tiger Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 You know... I've been thinking that Cody needs a man of his own, and I think Brian will work nicely. They need to meet in the final chapter. And of course, there needs to be a story from one of their points of view that's all about their relationship and any related drama. Link to comment
Conner Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 You know... I've been thinking that Cody needs a man of his own, and I think Brian will work nicely. They need to meet in the final chapter. And of course, there needs to be a story from one of their points of view that's all about their relationship and any related drama. I'm not opposed to Cody and Brian hooking up but I don't think it's in the cards. Needless to say, though, Cody will sleep with Brian. It seems that's what gay men in this story do; they sleep with Cody. I think I'd enjoy a Cody-narrated story, but again, it's not in the cards. Although Cody will likely continue to be in the story. Brian is a good bet, though. My preference would be Brad or Robbie. Given Ace's reaction to the re-made Brian in chap 24, I could see him taking a walk on the wild side. His biological dad did! Then again, he's married and stuff. Chapter 24 saw things calm down; everyone seems happy. What's up with that??? I know we're close to the end here; but there's room for a little more drama! Link to comment
Tiger Posted August 5, 2009 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Ace is married, Conner. That would be bad. Also, Andre died. I'm sure you wouldn't want a repeat of that. Link to comment
Mark Arbour Posted August 5, 2009 Author Share Posted August 5, 2009 Chapter 24 saw things calm down; everyone seems happy. What's up with that??? I know we're close to the end here; but there's room for a little more drama! You have no faith in me? Don't you want a happy ending? Or is that just at the massage parlor? Link to comment
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