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Thanks, Already gave the link ... forgot to prefix wiki ... Graeme sure did clear up the meaning a bit more

I come from a family that has abuse and heated debates and physical fallout... there bound to be someone that gets hurt ... even an outsider can get hurt and lose the objectivity and passion to learn something that he or she didn't know of the subject. Its something that is hard to get use to especially not having the means to cope with it. That is why I took a shot at the question ... sure I could be wrong (100% or partially ) ... and I would find out ... hopefully peacefully ---- I was trying to imagine ASexuality => If I had a mate that has been sexually abused ... then ASexuality or Gay without sex would be the best way to go ... to love and find another way to please my mate => If I had a mate that lack sexual organs(naturally or by other means) or lack the urge to have sex ... then again I find a way to love and please my mate But there is a large sacrifice to not having sex and that could mean that I could build up an issue for the lack of sex in my life. That seems to illustrate that one person is ASexual and the other one Gay or Hetero or ASexual. Ultimately, my mate will try the best that he can to please me ... and may be even cross the line by having something close to sex or allow me to have sex with another person. There is drama if I would leave my mate over the lack of sex. => If I was purely ASexual with some who is the same ... perhaps we won't cross the line in the sexual organ part but find ways to be more intimate than love. Perhaps in that sense I am not wired inside to have the notion of having sex in that way ... not that I find it repulsive but the way I am. I hope this illustration is what Graeme and everyone else says. If there are better illustrations ... I love to read them.

I just search for the information and then cut and paste ... I know its all mechanical ... Graeme sure did clear up Asexuality for me That does illustrate gray areas and I leave that to "life will find a way" but they are still asexual. Sure I could argue they are GaySex but only for that act but do they do it often ... I don't know that's for some xxxxgist type person to know. Just like in Jurrassic park - they have the frog gene - but they are still essentially dinosaurs and I could not call them frogs. Not sure where u saw the format done ... sure it be a lesson for me to see - I don't think it was me but I can be wrong. Well lack sexual organs - well you have eunuch, Vasectomy, and hysterectomy I best I missed some more ways to lack sexual organs in the natural evolution. Then its their choice of sexuality but lacking sexual organs ... they still have A-Sex, GaySex or HeteroSex but it won't be 100% functional but its close or rather their coping without the organs or the lost or lack there of. Its just that when someone is young and hasn't had any sexual experience there is a lack of understanding to each of the sexualities ... That's why I put out the joke above in this thread to illustrate this lack of understanding and lack of experience ... it bugs the hell out of the experience ones. Then DragonMando showed an evidence\example but of course the couple is young so pleasing one's mate further will come sooner or later. => if the person just learn by definitions only and some diagrams ... there still the potential for the lack of respect or understanding The experience ones will teach us more ... the ones from other fields will broaden our knowledge that we don't normally bother to experience => if there were videos of each sexuality ... and one hasn't determined their sexuality ... there is a yuck response ... watching Kensey movie ... and seeing the Hetero love making ... first there was yuck for me ... but from a Kensey sort of objectivity ... this is what Hetero do to have sex ... each sexuality that watches another sexuality sex making will find that yuck reaction ... but to lose that objectivity is to hurt someone who can tell us what that experience is ... and can go in more detail as long as you have objectivity What hard is to process that these acts of love or sex is quite normal for the sexuality that one is in. They are doing their best with what they have. But some of us outside of that sexuality will find it hard to comprehend how it happens to be that way. And its merely to say that it happens that way, The experience brings a lot of understanding and meaning to the persons of that that sexuality to them. But if everyone had to do it exclusively Hetero (40s and 50s example) ... which was the case to not be gay or asexual ... its really hard to cope and to be happy ... then it leads to a lots issues. But as the unsaid witch hunt died down after the war(s) (WWII,Korean,Vietnam) then we have various sexualities starting to define themselves and then express themselves. And its was indeed a struggle to eventually wind up where we are now ... there still is that fight for the right to not be hetero ... but that all is in the education and acceptance in out society. Literally some one will have to rewrite the books, update the courses, and in that sense change the outlook of what our society is based on in other to be more tolerant. But still we have the young coming here to ask us for help and guidance ... during their struggle to be define themselves in their teenage years which is made difficult by their parents and the society their up against. Its much worst in the transsexual world ... to make the change in an unsupported environment is so very hurtful ... some can make their change quickly and some spent most of their years trying reach their goal ... there is a lot of questions of why, hate, rejection, or acceptance ... we definately need to be supportive even if we're not transsexual but to help them along with their journey ... but if or when they reach their goal then ultimately they will be happy and then they will experience fully what their sexuality offers them. This is much tougher route than being Asexual or otherwise. For some of us that maybe we are weak at heart or trying to define ourselves ... the fight in the threads is really upsetting ... when some one comes to understand the topic and learn from the experience people in this community. It would help to each try to clarify and understand ... be open minded ... I hate fights ... someone gets hurt and value is lost I really didn't expect this thread to be explosive as in the soapbox. I think Kensey would have wanted us to understand something we don't really understand ... but to have the passion and support for each other. ( And to take what he has started to all new levels that he could not do in the trouble times he face that we don't face as much ... we have to face other things and is just as much as a struggle back then) So please don't lose objectivity and professionalism ethics I apologized if anything I said here is totally or partially wrong ... its just a lot of pieces of information that gets jumbled in my mind.

Thanks Graeme - I was getting a bit lost in the Asexuality definition stuff - thanks for explaining it So are you saying that if sex is involve and their pleasing their mate ... they are doing it but its something that's not so natural for them to do but they do it. So is it safe to say they are violating their own definition ... hence "Life will find a way" but its not super critical that they did this?

There seems to be a lot of mincing of words and hormones. Bent feelings becomes lost of objectivity. Kensey sure did show traits to be a rational vulcan. So without going into alot of wasted breath or lost of objectivity - here is my attempt - - - I am not an english major ... not an experience gay man ... not a scientist but I can understand science and medical So below is looking into just a couple of levels So its a matter of what you all mean above will you find your answer below You go ahead and find your yes answer or no answer - but have fun in the debatable issue but don't get bent out of shape This is one lesson I learn from someone on a DEBATE team. but one thing I did observe from someone on the debate team is the lack of acceptance of both debatable positions and its that both positions are right and wrong The loss in the debate is learning to accept the other sides position on a NO WIN situation - the two sides will continue to fight. Only a WinLose position a debate is winable but hopefuly in the pursuit of sportsmanship and leaning more about knowledge - not the fight itself And bottom line - there is a tendency to fight and lose site of sportsmanship, knowledge, and objectivity ----- I only looked at Laymans and Medical and then Looked at Asexuality. ------- I have to agree Gay means to have an affinity for someone in a same sex relationship. We all know Love is separate from Sex. Then there are levels of the Gay meaning * An appreciation for same-sex person; having gay friends (Gay Friendship) * Love in a same sex relationship. (Gay Love) * Having sex in a same sex relationship. (Gay Sex) - - - - Asexual - away from the medical definition free from or unaffected by sexuality: an asexual friendship. Sexuality

I have to agree GLASS doesn't work in the hard environments and extreme temperatures

Good take I enjoy it

Yes this is an off topic I guess WB took the gamble (i am not specific to which book - but a true HP would be able to ID which book I am referring to) * Turning Ron and Hermione in to a teeny bopper flick when the story was much more than that. Maybe the reason for this was to establish that Ron will have a gf and Harry will too. But really Harry with Ron little sister and they leave that infatuation a little later in the book series because it would detract the sense of Harry true purpose. I guess JKR could not have Harry and Hermione - I certainly love that combination but then how could Hermione be regarded as a great wizard herself being over shadowed by Harry. I still don't get Ron and Hermione - I guess its to stress opposites attract. * Neglecting to having that early seen to establish Hermione crush on krug(sp) was an important thing in the movie vs book. * There are other issues that the book has too much fluff and the storyline was simplified so that it would fit in the allotted time. Yes there is one of book that fit that criteria. But then there was a book that should have been made a two part-er to do the book justice but yest the cuts came instead. Sure the last book is a two part-er and I am glad ... because when they are released in DVD one can watch a long HP for like five hours. But I am not sure how they will clean up JKR epilogue ... It wasn't really up to her regular writer regiment. The question - if all HP movies where 3.5 hours long each would you go see it? That's the gamble WB could not take ... rather than survey the fans requirements. The other issue is would you be willing to pay $16 to see the movie? WB would say no the fans would not because the parents would scream at the price. Now look at the HP resort part - min is like 70 to go in and I am not sure that's accurate ... but that's expensive.

I think that was insinuated in a sitcom ... a student was hinting that the teacher was asexual to his wife about reproduction ... and gay the rest of course the teacher said "get out"

Its a two way street .... you can act out your anger or fear at the enemy ... whether or not you get killed in the process is another story But do you really want your commander to shoot you for being a coward? What-if your commander was your BF ... do you want to put him in the position to shoot you ... for being a coward and to not be outed? I'm sure the PTSD and anxiety are much worst in the 1700s than Vietnam outside the battle - that be the calm before the storm ... business as usual ... and it be rough for us modern day but not them since they are use to the surge of battle and duty after awhile

I knew about it back then ... just look it took 24 years for it to be realized ... it be nice to replace windshield of a car with that ... imagine keeping heat out of the car.

lots of kiss-ass by the subordinates to keep from being shot for insubordination then working in a bar or motel of those days is just as dangerous Is anyone hardy enough to live in the 1700s? not geeks or glee's - its gadget free and internet free - pop free

What a Copper Top!! DuraCell commercial!! Sage wants a Bottom detector!!

happy birthday

Well maybe the 15-20 is the conversation with Dirk and Trevor ... see Dirk is a good husband to keep his word and bark and bite Trevor until its time Trevor failed to describe the rock ... which disallowed another possibility where the phone was stolen Trevor makes friends cool - they treat their boats like hot rods of the sea - to go have fun Well he'll be ok until his trip from schey to aussie - Wow Joel facing 15 to 20 - he'll be Dirks age when he gets out - and be someone butt buddy with visits from Lisa and still they won't suspect Bridget Gosh where is she storing all her money? It be nice if all those bills were burn to the ground or blown up. Same goes with George unless they sail accross the atlantic to make a swiss deposit?? Trevor getting a personal revenge for having nine lives because bubbling bomb makers When will they ever learn the troubles started with bridget guesthouse ... too late when Joel butt buddy needs to unload and Lisa will not have any need to use the guesthouse

The only Frog analysis I learn in school was Dissection :wacko: and I didn't like the experience

Thanks for the reply. But what did I seem like to you? I am pretty sure the recession has hurt us each in our own way plus add what life threw at us. Some of us are born lucky and some of us aren't I believe Tiger has a good chance at life and has a good support system ... All Tiger has to do is keep on trying everything he can until he finds that niche.

I am in the same boat and physically and mentally in the bad shape. I am living with my elderly mother .... and I am taking College Credit Certificate and paying for the college. I don't what will come for a job ... I would have to volunteer for a year or two before I could get a paying job That sounds bad to get back into the work force. The worst off is I am alone in a sense and have no friends. I have no answers but sure life can easily beat me up. - - - - I think the difference is that your younger and you have a stronger support system ... you are in much better shape than I to find employment

If you call within the next 48 hours we'll triple your order of KABOOM!!! 1-888-Get-Bridget-George-Sanchez Please Leave a GPS and Transponder Location And a Clear Picture

That be Cape Horn ... i remember the name from a game called "Around the Horn" sail clipper ships from east coast to SF bay. Yes its windy down there ... watch out for iceburgs but that wasn't in the game. Late Spring time sounds fine - but when seasons change so does the weather patterns ... I presume early summer is fine. Compared to Trevor it was Summer and he decides to go the other way. -- http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Cape_Horn Cape Horn is the most southerly point of South America South AmericaSouth America is the southern continent of the Americas, situated in the Western Hemisphere and mostly in the Southern Hemisphere, with a relatively small portion in the Northern Hemisphere... , and marks the northern boundary of the Drake Passage Drake PassageThe Drake Passage or Mar de Hoces -Sea of "de Hoces"- is the body of water between the southern tip of South America at Cape Horn, Chile and the South Shetland Islands of Antarctica... ; for many years it was a major milestone on the clipper route Clipper routeIn sailing, the clipper route was the traditional route sailed by clipper ships between Europe and the Far East, Australia and New Zealand. The route ran from west to east through the Southern Ocean, in order to make use of the strong westerly winds of the Roaring Forties... , by which sailing ship Sailing shipSailing ship is now used to refer to any large wind-powered vessel. In technical terms, a ship was a sailing vessel with a specific rig of at least three masts, square rigged on all of them, making the sailing adjective redundant. In popular usage "ship" became associated with all large sailing... s carried trade around the world. However, the waters around the Cape are particularly hazardous, owing to strong winds, large waves, strong currents and iceberg IcebergAn iceberg is a large piece of ice from freshwater that has broken off from a snow-formed glacier or ice shelf and is floating in open water. It may subsequently become frozen into pack ice... s; these dangers have made it notorious as a sailors' graveyard. The need for ships to round the Cape Horn was greatly reduced by the opening of the Panama Canal Panama CanalThe Panama Canal is a ship canal in Panama that joins the Atlantic Ocean and the Pacific Ocean and is a key conduit for international maritime trade... in 1914.

So she must have discovered that the cartel and bridget was using her. She must have discovered the bomb and should have discovered the hidden compartment by now? I guess she was smart enough like trev to shut her transponder off or disguise it. The good question does dirk have any knowledge to all this? So after christmas ... dirk going to fly to austrailia and join his wife there ... leave trevor to make his decision to live in the usa. Let Joel and Lisa run the chanlery and charting company. But that be too dangerous as the cartel would be after Trevor - the only thing is Trevor promising to not search for ares and be convincing to Bridget But hey unless his friends like to go live in austraila with trevor and run two charters so many directions this story can take Maybe Rachel would not want Trev to tell his dad about his mother being alive but ask him to forgive his father. Then Trevor will catch up for another 10 years with his mother but will she accept him being gay? What if Trevor finds a cute gay guy in Austraila from governor Graeme?

ok so there is a prequel to Circumnav ... Cocoon 3 ... Ron Howard will CJames to write this one Wow that's some evidence by Trebs Sure hope with the cloud of investigation will keep sanchez away ... unless he has ties to somila then the convoy is a risk Now I wonder if CJames will let Trevor sail naked? and be on the cover of I-Sail-Naked-for-Joel-or-give-me-a-swedish-meatball

happy belated birthday

So where did all that money go? Dirk gambling or dug debt?

I would question if she's alive * She gave the mayday * Someone towed the wreckage to some island * If she survived thats a long haul to austraila by hitch hiking * Trevor never check Visa records in austrailia or any other countries If Trevor does find his mother and its december and the truth is out but between the good guys where would Trevor live? Will he choose to grill shrimp on the barbie and run charters in austrailia? Would he leave his two friends? Would his father survive all this? She be under a new name in austrialia that means a fake passport or new identity passport given by the USA ---- est 200 miles per day convoy 100 per day ?? End of Suez to Socotra - 2300 miles est - 11.5 Days => 23 Days Socotra to Seychelles - 1100 miles est - 5.5 Days => 11 Days Seychelles to Austrailia - 3300 miles est - 16.5 Days Total 6700 miles est - 32.5 Days with Convoy 51 days Sept 1 Week + 8 Weeks => 1st Week November at best Worst => 13 Weeks => 2nd Week of December - - - - Gosh it would have been cool if Ghassan didn't dump the stuff and go kaaboom!! Then there be two bodies and wreckage and life jackets "altantis" Then there be a baksheesh backlash and investigation but now we only got robbery and dumping of stuff and small delay Trevor doesn't seem phased that he could have been blown up sounds like the authorities aren't going to hold Trevor but they will eventually find the life jackets Would wonder when Sanchez will try again? unless he has connections with somila? Then it be a long convoy issue Then will he give up after seychelles - thats 1/2 the voyage battle there.