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So what is Steve doing writing a blog outside of the Weekly Wrap Up? :unsure:

Well, once every four years something happens that affects our site in an unusual way. It overtakes a lot of the US of A as well as the rest of the world. What am I talking about? The US Presidential and Term Elections is what.

Now before you hit the report button and report me for talking about politics outside the Pit, please read on.

As many of our long-term members know, and I imagine new ones as well, politics can be very divisive and polarizing to everyone on our site and in some of our lives. They also can be a joining of ideas and learning how others see things opposed to our own views.

Outside of the US you may feel what does this have to do with the day-to-day running of GA? The reason for this blog is that unfortunately in US Presidential Election years, the negative side of politics can rear its ugly head and the few can ruin things for the majority. We, unfortunately, have lost long-term and new members over their ambitions to make GA politicized with their ideas and how they posted them. Sometimes members don't have ambitions, but they can also get swept up in the environment and don’t know where or how it is best to express those ideas.

 The site’s wish is to have everyone here today and here next year at this time, and hopefully that no one leaves the site due to something political said on the site by someone else or themselves. We've tried different approaches over the years, from the wild west of the early years where anything went, to absolutely nothing on the site anywhere about politics at any time.

I want to particularly acknowledge all the people who participated in debate of the recent Brexit and UK elections. These participants have kept discussion to the Pit and been respectful of the people and took issue with only the opinions. I do not believe the Site Moderation Team (SMT), had to review any issues of this political hot potato in Europe. This goes out to all our members, UK and elsewhere.

I thought I would highlight for everyone the political pit falls that could lead to you having an interaction with the SMT.

  • ·         Politics are only allowed in the Pit or in personal blogs.
  • ·         Status updates on politics are not allowed, nor status updates to visit a blog with some reference of the topic of the blog.
  • ·         When engaging others in the Pit or a blog, you must address the issues brought up, not the person bringing it up. Doing so will be considered a personal attack.

If you so choose to join the Pit, it is a closed club and when your request to join is approved I strongly suggest you read Myr’s pinned topic: The Pit Rules. This will give you guidance to how to positively engage in this area where politics are okay.

The SMT will monitor the Pit, and we do have some members who actively participate in there. We will investigate if someone reports someone else for a personal attack, but if we investigate and find someone made a false accusation, we will also suspend the reporter from accessing the Pit. In other words, don’t report someone just because you don’t like their view.

The SMT is monitoring around the site for Political Content, and we also rely heavily on members to report political posts outside the Pit or blogs. Your anonymity will be kept private and only the SMT will be aware of your report. The biggest suggestion here is to hit the Report button at the top of every single post on the boards if you find one with political content, rather then hit the reply button to call out the original poster. Usually hitting the reply button will bring yourself into the review by the SMT.

As mentioned earlier, some may have received a verbal warning in the past for political content, but as we ramp up toward November, we will in most cases have to take a stronger stance in warnings. Whereas a verbal warning is 5 points for 3 days or until they expire, we will be using the warnings for Political Content outside the Pit or Blogs as well as the Abusive Behaviour for personal attacks. These are progressive warnings that get more severe with the number of instances and/or severity of the offense. Sometimes these are just points but as the severity or repetition of warnings increases, it could include site suspensions even up to a site ban.

Just so everyone knows, just like all the membership here, we do have different political leanings on the SMT especially as the team is global. At times, I wonder if we should have a Pit for the SMT discussions :P What I’m trying to say is that we do address all reports or findings and we talk as a group. Seldom does anyone dig in for their political beliefs, and we can usually come to a mutually agreed upon plan of action. If you feel that the SMT has left or right leaning people only, I can assure you that isn’t the case. All of us are middle of the road when it comes to politics and can put that aside when looking at the issue. To be honest, I’m proud of our team and how we address politics on the site.

All of us, as in the whole site, would like to see less of the SMT having to deal with issues that can be avoided as the year progresses. That is entirely up to you though.

If we can go through the next year or so like we have with the current UK issues, then the SMT can sit back and do what we enjoy so much, reading, interacting and enjoying everyone here on all of our site.

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ColumbusGuy

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Ah, Politics...the bane or the blessing of our Republic depending on how it's handled.
For most of our history, it was a topic where we could talk about issues citing facts, opinions and even humor without descending into personal attacks or silencing the opposition by calling them practitioners of some cultural evil.  This is no longer the case in our highly technological 21st century where  the 'facts' are no longer statistically based, but assumed so because one shouts and repeats them often enough that listeners believe it rather than check for themselves.  Someone said words to the effect that 'we support truth over facts'...my question is, and it ought to be everyone's is: When did truth and facts become separate ideas?

Young people now assume the way we do things today: playing the blame game, silencing other views by shaming or even threats of physical attack, or banning them from appearing at public venues is the approved method for things to be done.  They are wrong.  This all began when some few decided they knew better ways to reach young minds in the classroom; dates and events became  'boring', so lets concentrate on the process of learning itself--, but they forgot that in order to think things through, you need a framework, and the context of the ideas to apply them in real life.  Without a plan to guide the student, you achieve nothing but chaos.    The Founders knew this when they said a democratic republic can succeed only with an educated citizenry to make the decisions  So, what happened?  We dropped teaching government or civics in our schools, and began simplifying even fundamental courses to the point of uselessness.  History--more needless dates that don't matter in our daily lives....who cares what happened hundreds of years ago?  It won't help me earn a living--until someone who has learned that history uses it to bend your vote to his own ends.  Those who don't learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them.  

To achieve a better society we are told each man is different and no one should trample on his rights, unless he doesn't agree with your own views.  This is the politics of divisiveness and will destroy our country like no foreign invasion ever could, because it pits us one against another until no one is left standing.  The remedy is not to point out our differences, but our commonalities: we are all human beings, equal and valuable and filling a role that we should respect.  End of story.  All else is a label someone wishes us to wear so they can exploit us for a cause of their own, to further their own power over the majority of our fellow citizens.  Reject these labels if you truly want to be free.

In my time, I learned from history and government classes that were aimed at presenting the facts without slant to either the Left or Right, and it's made me a more thoughtful voter and informed listener.  My first election was 1976 when I voted for Jimmy Carter because he was highly educated and yet saw a path we could all feel part of that went against Washington's established practices.  Since then, I've voted my conscience many times paying no attention to whether the candidate was a member of either major party.  That could have been Independent or Libertarian, or indeed a Democrat or Republican.  What mattered was if their position made sense, and I could see my life being better for it.  What mattered too was whether the candidate came across as honestly concerned about the people he was trying to court, or just saying what would get him elected.  

So, I urge all of us, wherever we live, to look at the issues, think about them in a reasonable and clear manner, and then make up your own mind without regard to social pressure from family, 'experts' or even the parties themselves.  Look at the facts, read up on the issues and the candidates views both past and present...and let your own informed judgment guide you and not emotional bias.

I will make only one personal statement here: I am gay, not rich by any means, and am a fairly logical and unbiased thinker...as such, I don't feel that either party as they now stand, represents my spectrum of ideas.  What will I decide?  Perhaps fall back on the ancient Hippocratic Oath of 'Do No Harm'....                    

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Thorn Wilde

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13 hours ago, Graeme said:

Anything that involves or encourages political debate is politics. For example, it was okay to mention and celebrate when same-sex marriage became legal. Commenting on the views of those who opposed same-sex marriage was not, because that was (and still is) a political topic. Anything that is advocating for a law change or debating an existing (contentious) law is political.

As a general rule, any discussion of 'rights' is political. There is, however, a spectrum, based on how contentious that right is. Gun rights in the USA is a highly political topic. Race issues are also very political. The right to privacy is much less political, though it can still be contentious and hence could be banned here, depending on the context. After all, it was the Supreme Court of the USA that used the right to privacy for the Lawrence v. Texas decision that banned laws that made private homosexual behavior illegal, and that ultimately led to the Windsor decision making same-sex marriage legal. Given the nature of this site, it's okay to celebrate rights for sexual minorities, as long as those celebrations don't move into discussion/debating opposing views. It's fine to mourn the loss of lives (though I would prefer it if that was never necessary), but pointing fingers and assigning blame can be political.

When in doubt, feel free to contact one of the moderator team and we'll give you our opinion on what you want to post. We don't mind. Just remember we're all volunteers and so we can't always respond quickly.

So we can all agree that same-sex marriage is good, but not that forcing trans people to use facilities that don't correspond to their gender is bad, since that relates to current legal battles? If someone shares something transphobic and I point that out, am I being political? If someone says it's hard to write minority characters and they don't want to get it wrong so they just don't, and I argue in favour of diversity and link to a document describing how to respectfully portray minority characters, am I being political? If I argue in favour of the singular they and other non-binary pronouns, am I being political? If someone talks about sexuality in a way that erases the B in LGBT, and I point out that bisexual people exist, am I being political? If I'm in a thread where the topic crops up and I share my experience with transphobia within the LGBT community, am I being political? And if so, in these examples, why am I the one being political and not the people I'm responding to? I'm asking honestly. I would like to know whether every letter in LGBTQ is welcome here, or if we're merely tolerated as long as we don't talk about it. Because I've felt for a long time now that it seems as if my existence is just too political for GA and I have to bite my tongue for fear of offending someone who 'disagrees' with my gender.

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Brayon

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Personal opinion, as I am not GA staff, but using the term "argue" in your examples is implying political debate. As you will be aggressively defending your idea, as much as the other guy is about there's. So, in that light, and to use a current event as an example. A non-political post would be something I posted earlier:

"I had a funny moment during the Impeachment Trial today, when my First Boyfriend walking across my TV screen through the Halls of the Senate. He still looks perfect!"

He works on Capitol Hill... and I'm getting all the Tea.... 

That's my two coppers. 

Thorn Wilde

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2 hours ago, Brayon said:

Personal opinion, as I am not GA staff, but using the term "argue" in your examples is implying political debate. As you will be aggressively defending your idea, as much as the other guy is about there's. So, in that light, and to use a current event as an example. A non-political post would be something I posted earlier:

"I had a funny moment during the Impeachment Trial today, when my First Boyfriend walking across my TV screen through the Halls of the Senate. He still looks perfect!"

He works on Capitol Hill... and I'm getting all the Tea.... 

That's my two coppers. 

Well, I don't think I should have to argue that my gender or sexual orientation is valid on a supposedly queer website, but here we are, and I have had to do so in the past. So I believe my question remains valid.

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Brayon

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And as pointed out in this very blog, are where the proper places are to take such discussions: The Pit or Personal Blog. I would assume Private Messages as well.

-Bravo Six, Going Dark.

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wildone

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As Graeme explained, if someone hypothetically says, 'Congrats Bulgaria on legalizing gay marriage,' that will be allowed. If someone hypothetically says, 'The bloody old school communists made this law an absolute nightmare to get passed,' that won't be allowed. Likewise, if someone hypothetically says, 'Congratulations to the Toronto Public School Board on making non gender exclusive washrooms available in every school,' this would be allowed. But if the hypothetical reply of , 'This is the first step but we are still failing everywhere else, we need to campaign all school boards to do the same,' it will not be allowed. As you can see, it doesn't matter if the subject is gay rights or transgender/non binary rights, it is treated the same.

Anyone who wants to discuss trans rights, as long as it isn't political or creating divisions in the community, then you are more than welcome to do that. Once you decide to take on a political agenda, be it for Trans rights, Gay rights, racial rights, we have the Pit open and able to take that discussion to. All members are more than welcome to have discussions there, not on the rest of the site other than the personal blogs.

We are an all inclusive community, we don't target groups that don't think the way we do. Unless someone's opinions which may cause harm against other members or the site, then they will politely asked to change or they won't be a member anymore. Once anyone targets another member for not following their own personal beliefs, then they are participating in a personal attack. In the Pit an idea can be challenged, but not attacking the person who stated the idea.

If someone makes a post that is problematic (such as a post that is transphobic), then report it, rather than engage with it. If the moderation team agrees, they will deal with it. Engaging directly with the post simply aggravates the situation.

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Graeme

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6 hours ago, Stellar said:

This sounds entirely reasonable as a guideline for politics, though I want to ask if canvassing heavily for a third party candidate is allowed. Specifically, one who advocates a 'Torch Everything' philosophy for both domestic and foreign affairs, is looking to dramatically increase funding to all dragon-welfare-related initiatives, and employs the time-honoured and technically effective strategy of eating his opponents live on television during debates.

Just asking, for a friend.

A completely human friend.

 

 

 

Burn Them ALL! 2020.

Canvassing for any political candidate or political position needs to be in The Pit or personal blogs, regardless of where in the political spectrum that candidate/position is located. We have to do this, because otherwise we'll be playing favourites and, as moderators we need to be as apolitical as possible when adjudicating in this area.

In The Pit or on a personal blog, however, go for it!

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Carlos Hazday

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1 minute ago, Stellar said:

@Graeme Uh. Yes. I do actually know this already. My humour is apparently indistinguishable from a serious question, but thank you anyhow.

@Carlos Hazday I don't know! Maybe a website needs to be made? :D

I get your humor! LOL

I've begun stocking up on matches and lighter fluid  for the revolution to come.

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Myr

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12 hours ago, Stellar said:

employs the time-honoured and technically effective strategy of eating his opponents live on television during debates.

I'll support the dragon as well.  This sounds like a unique and effective form of debate.  Bonus:  Dragon dung afterwards should be especially effective as fertilizer given the very high content of bee ess in this proposed diet.

On a more serious note... we could rename the Political Club the Dragon Pit...

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Brayon

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27 minutes ago, Myr said:

On a more serious note... we could rename the Political Club the Dragon Pit...

That would almost get me to resubscribe.

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Fae Briona

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Seriously considered last year getting a Vote for Cthulhu yard sign last year. Slogan was, "Why vote for the lesser evil?".  This year seems to be, "Big apocalyptic change."

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