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I wanna blog this converstaion I'm having right now...

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... with Steve. For some reason, he and I always seem to find a way to discuss the fundamentals about things, and I find it rewarding and fascinating. Uplifting, and the moments of clarity that come from thinking things through, seeing all sides of it, are immensely valuable. I think I'll ask him when we're done if I can post it... FANTASTIC :D

 

Anyway, moving on for now...

 

I made a resume :o OMG! I'm only partailly sure why I even did that, but there are times when I think to myself, 'dammit! I really need to make one' so I did. I'm good at using fancy, big words, but in the end, I'm definitely lacking major things like professional experience and education in the field I prefer, or want to get into I guess I should say. Not sure what I'll do with it yet... but now I have one, so.. yay me, right?

 

I just wanted to say thanks to all of you who commented in my forum, or sent me an email, or a message about UTBOS. :2thumbs: You guys are the best! I absolutely love hearing your opinions on what has happened to the characters so far. I know some authors won't read any comments till the story is finished for fear of being led astray from their original plot line, but I love it. It helps me to know that you guys are right where I want you to be, or that I maybe need to clarify some things more, so thank you! :D

 

Okay so the verdict is... YES!! I can post it so here goes... You're entering this chat already in progress :P We are discussing an article that appeared in the LA Times about kids coming out in today's high schools and colleges and the 'acceptance' or 'tolerance' they are being welcomed with.

 

shadowgod says:

freakin heroes alot of these kids are

 

Vivian says:

what makes someone a hero?

 

Vivian says:

bravery?

 

shadowgod says:

yeah

 

shadowgod says:

the ability to look fear in the face and walk towards it

 

Vivian says:

well what makes someone a hero versus stupid... sometimes fear is rational and the effects of walking towards it can't be undone

 

shadowgod says:

true

 

shadowgod says:

they're blazing a trail

 

shadowgod says:

they may not be the first

 

shadowgod says:

but still the moxy to say 'hey this is me'

 

shadowgod says:

its admirable

 

Vivian says:

absolutely. and they say that one person can't make a difference

 

shadowgod says:

like graeme's signature

 

shadowgod says:

if you think your too small to make a difference, try being trapped in a room with a misquito

 

Vivian says:

yeah i saw that and i thought... ahhhhhhh! and how profound

 

shadowgod says:

lol

 

shadowgod says:

i dunno i still see brighter days ahead

 

shadowgod says:

bush and his constitutional amendment are on their way out

 

Vivian says:

i wonder if the brave ones are the people you come out to who can see past themselves and beyond just 'tolerance' and on to acceptance

 

shadowgod says:

hrmmm

 

Vivian says:

and not acceptance of you, but acceptance that what they think really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of your life

 

shadowgod says:

good point

 

Vivian says:

i mean it would be nice to be accepted for who you are, no matter what, but it's not in most people's innate nature to not label something, not classify it, not be threatened by something they don't understand and to just say 'good for you'

 

Vivian says:

in that sense it seems they are walking bravely into the unknown as well

 

shadowgod says:

there are so many other ways to label a person outside sex though

 

shadowgod says:

how do the laws of attraction change who a person can be?

 

Vivian says:

you know, great point!

 

Vivian says:

i just finished reading this story today

 

Vivian says:

where the guy has known since he was 12 that he was gay and in love with his best friend who he thinks is straight

 

Vivian says:

and in the end, when the best friend is finally explaining how he feels to the guy, he says something like... i fell in love with you, not a guy, not a girl, but you, my friend for 15 years

 

Vivian says:

i was pretty moved by that because it's a perfect example that the heart isn't limited by sexuality

 

shadowgod says:

:D

 

shadowgod says:

how wonderful

 

Vivian says:

i thought so :D

 

Vivian says:

http://www.nifty.org/nifty/gay/college/thats-life/

 

Vivian says:

i have some issues with how it's written :*) cause you know me... :rolleyes: but the plot and the story and the lesson in it is amazing

 

shadowgod says:

I'll have to give it a read

 

shadowgod says:

Is it normal to question humanity constantly?

 

Vivian says:

hahahaha

 

Vivian says:

yes! when you are the minority in a world full of stupid, it seems necessary

 

shadowgod says:

for the most part I'm optimistic about the future

 

shadowgod says:

about people in general

 

shadowgod says:

maybe its moments like last weekend thsat pull me back into reality

 

Vivian says:

there is this great line in the movie hairsprsay... she says 'i hope you both are prepared to deal with a whole lot of ugly coming from a long line of stupid' and the girl says, 'oh, so you met my mother'

 

Vivian says:

in that case it was about integrating races... 4 or 5 decades ago, but it's basically the same principal here

 

Vivian says:

4 or 5 decades from now it will be something else

 

shadowgod says:

yeah ... whats wrong with man/goat love!

 

Vivian says:

hahahhaa

 

shadowgod says:

I say we start championing it now!

 

shadowgod says:

just to be ahead of the game

 

Vivian says:

get a head start?

 

Vivian says:

look at you being an overachiever

 

shadowgod says:

lol

 

Vivian says:

you would definitely be a few goats champion, that's for sure

 

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So? What do you guys think?

 

Hugs,

Viv

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Razor

Razor 85

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It made me smile. :)

 

 

 

 

Gotta say... in general, things are getting better. Geographically, though, there's a giant difference in how people treat you when they know you're gay. In Columbia (south MS, close to Hattiesburg which is the seat of USM, a major university, and therefore a college town), when I came out on the Day of Silence one year, my english teacher got the note I was handing out and told me she wished she'd known about it so she could've included something about it in the bellringer excercise that day, and that she thought what I was doing was very admirable.

 

This last year, when I tried to repeat the silence, I was met with "Well... I love you no matter what you do" from the Christians, and a whole lot of stares and some nice slurs from other people. Northern Mississippi is HELL on Earth, a very sad place to be. It's backwoods, uneducated, overly religious freaks who have inbred to the point of inducing mental handicap on future generations.

 

So you see, moving five hours away can mean the difference between acceptance and rejection, even benign acknowledgement and violence. It freaked me out a little.

 

Anyway, thanks Viv, I enjoyed reading your conversation. :) Hope you have a great day.

Ieshwar

Ieshwar 733

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Yes, they're indeed heroes. But still, I wouldn't like to have guys come out to their peers and families irrationally, epecially if they themselves are not ready. The factor of 'heroism' may lead them to take a dangerous step. This may end up badly.

 

And for those wondering about man/goat alliances, I'm for this. My goat friends, I'm by your side! (It's safer, you know; don't want to be blasted by that red deam pf that gay goat) :P

 

I would love your hear your opinions ad experiences when writing UTBOS. Perhaps when the story ends? As I have already said, marvelous story!!!

 

Take care,

Ieshwar

C James

C James 17,115

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I have to agree; things are getting better. The differences between now and twenty years ago are just incredible.

 

I also agree, I'd love to herre more about UTBOS!)

 

That chat convo was profound!

 

shadowgod says:

yeah ... whats wrong with man/goat love!

 

Vivian says:

hahahhaa

 

shadowgod says:

I say we start championing it now!

 

Awwww... If you keep saying things like that, Maybe I'll have to stop blaming you for quite so much? Like Global warming?

:D

Meeko

Meeko 95

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God Viv it's like everything you wrtie is just simply amazing, and i agree with CJ it really does seem like a lot more people are accepting now days. Or from what i hear anyway it was pretty bad back then ><

 

I love your conversations, but the goats got to go... i mean really.... <3 CJ

 

-LC

xander

xander 1

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Vivian says:

in that case it was about integrating races... 4 or 5 decades ago, but it's basically the same principal here

 

You know it's funny you should mention that Viv, because I found a political comic on that that I've been meaning to share on here.gay_000306marriage.gif

 

And when you read that, like you said, you realize that it's the same damn thing! I never realized that before I saw the comic that the same thing happened with interracial marriage. Kinda goes to show that history does repeat itself....every couple decades, the right wingers need to find something to protect the "sanctity of marriage" from. Before the interracial marriage, (I think this still exists a little) it was like one person was protestant and the other was catholic or something like that, lol. It's sad, isn't it?

 

And as for the goats....I say we avoid that entirely (even if it is a joke ;) ) ....that's what they like to bring up as a defense as it is...."What's next, people marrying goats?" As my favorite lesbian, Ellen Degeneres, once said...."I don't want to marry a goat...I really don't."

 

Ronnie

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wildone

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I'll add my two bits on the subject as well. I sent something to Shadowgod the other day that touched on this subject.

 

Lately, I too have been wondering if attitudes have changed. I may be biased, as it is now legal to marry in Canada for gay couples. But here is kinda the way I have seen things progressed.

 

Ten years ago, the topic of Gay marriage came up in Canada, and up to that point, I would say a majority of people were dead set against it. Jokes were abundant, you could openly express your opinion of your dislikes at work, home, wherever you wanted too, and generally nobody would disagree.

 

Then, people started to challenge the marriage law in the provincial courts of several provinces. This if anything, got people more riled up. Suddenly we had parades and marches to defend the "traditional definition of marriage". But something happened. The courts looked at our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and the judges made decisions that they were being discriminatory to a segment of the population. Since there was now a few more rulings from courts in the different provinces (which do have jurisdiction over marriage laws), the federal government had to wade into the controversy. Without too much detail, the Supreme Court was asked by Parliament to make an opinion on if they could stay with the remaining status quo, or maybe redefine marriage, or give gays and lesbians a civil union. The court said that it had to be marriage for all.

 

As this was proceeding through the courts and Parliament, I noticed a major difference in opinions. People seemed to start listening to both sides, and not to the mob mentality. They actually thought about the core of the issue, if two people love each others, can they not be married. People stopped listening to the conservative right, and started questioning their churches teachings, and the momentum began to sway the other way.

 

The above is really what happened in my family with my Dad, and probably quite a few other people.

 

The part about the heroes, I would agree that in a way they are. I believe the heroes are ones who don't accept the status quo and take on the difficult challenges. I would say here, the heroes in this story is probably the original 11 gay couples and the 11 judges that ruled in their favour. For it was them that made it into a issue that was big enough to make ordinary people think.

 

Don't think I'm saying everybody is happy with the decisions, but now in the workplace, homes, bars, etc,, it is now the opposite as far as someone expressing their dislikes of gays, they will usually get a heated argument from a lot of people who don't agree with them.

 

Hopefully in ten years, you in the states can tell similar stories. Let's all hope!!

 

Steve

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