Those both sound better than what I went through at Cub Scouts. Never went camping or did any "projects" with our Scout mistress, unless you count the Popcorn Drive. Yeah, you heard me right. Our BOY scout troop was led by a WOMAN. I'm not saying that a woman can't lead...it's just that boys would relate better to a man, and maybe they'd have more respect for someone who doesn't sound like a nagging mom. As for the Popcorn Drive, I'm not sure what the money went towards, because we never seemed to see much of anything besides the occasional merit badge for some small "deed". Then she and her family moved to Wyoming before 4th Grade. I think she was replaced by the Pastor for a year or so, and it kind of turned into more of a Bible study group. By the end of 4th Grade, I was completely burned out, and I quit the whole mess. I think I learned more responsibility and discipline by cooking in the kitchen than I ever learned from Scouts. Ahhh, the joys of $h***y private schools....