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Well, sorry, I got busy yesterday and just didn't have time to get to the forum for the latest chapter... I really feel that Granger hurt his position by mollycoddling Calvert. I know that he cares for Calvert, even if I don't, but had anyone else done what Calvert did; Granger would have had them in irons. He is doing no service to either himself or Calvert by his actions. Calvert does that with the wrong person he will be out of the navy... Calvert should have had the sense to know that militarily Granger will more than likely keep the other ship with him. Unless there is something else going on that we haven't been let in on; there is no strategic reason to seperate the two ships in unhospitalble waters. If nothing else, it will give Granger a grander entrance upon reaching their destination and dealing with Maidstone. I can't wait to find out what happened with Humphrey and FitzWilliam; plus why did Humphrey not care that they were being seperated... Bet there is an interesting story on both accounts, can't wait to see where that leads. I vote that we end up with a few more ships and maybe Granger can have his own fleet when he returns to England.

Well, the newest chapter is up and I just knew that they did not have anything to do with the coach's death. You go the whole chapter thinking maybe they did but then you find out their plan hadn't gone into action yet... Whether this was really an accident, a suicide, an act of god, or someone else beat them to it; it was justice in the end... The older son's behaviour suggest he either has already suffered abuse at the hands of his father or was being groomed in that direction. Maybe David realized what was happening; I am sure he is smart enough to have arranged something. JJ reaching out to Will was really interesting. Even though Will was the one to find him, JJ reached out because he seemed to believe that Will would validate his actions and support him against Brad and Robbie. Will was able to point out that others finding out might have reprecussions for JJ's skating career. Even with the coach's death, the skating seems to still be JJ's main concern. I did find it was telling that JJ knew about the others but still felt the coach loved him more, have to wonder what the other's thought. Will was faced with the reality of the decision to remove the coach and found the world black and white and that they should have stayed their hand. What he will have to learn is that the world has a million shades of grey and those that aren't able to view them are inevitably doomed to misery. No one can live in a true black and white reality and survive much less thrive.

I just knew it, this was either an accident, an act of god, or someone else beat them to the punch. I was just sure that the coach's death wasn't on them. Cutting was an issue that started to get a lot more exposure in the late 90's to early 00's in the theraputic community. There was a real upswing in the number of reported cases and started to see with boys and cutting. Will was okay with killing the coach in the heat of the moment but not after looking at the possible results; even though it is pretty obvious that the older son was either being abused or groomed to be by the father. The problem with this is that the world is not black and white but full of differing shades of grey. Will will probably come to realize this as he gets older but if he doesn't then he is going to be constantly dissapointed in himself and others his whole life. No one that sees the world in strict terms of black and white can ever be truly happy.

Okay, I am going to step lightly into the issue of the racial makeup of LA... I have been looking at the American Community Survey from 2005 to 2009; this is the last five year grouping released. I actually like it better for getting accurate takes on the breakdown better than the official US census which a lot of people avoid because of legal issues when they can. Because of how the American Community Survey is handled and the way the information is gathered; I believe it represents and gets a more realistic view of the actual population. While the American Community Survey is actually funded and developed by the U.S. Government, the fact it is mailed out to set addresses and is much easier and shorter than the actual US Census Survey, the results tend to be more telling. The American Community Survey showed that whites made up 29.4% of the Los Angeles population while hispanics that identified primarily as white made up 20.9%, this gives a total of 50.4% white or hispanics that consider themselves primarily white. This means that the survey found that through 2009 " whites " were a bare majority of the population. The early data from the current survey shows that those numbers will shrink several points below 50%. I am not sure why this thread got quite so heated. It seems that several people are almost pointing fingers and accusing others of being racist or harboring racist ideas because of our refusal to agree on the challenges that Darius will face after 9/11. I have consistently stated that while Darius may face some questios and issues; I just don't see it being to or rising to the level that others believe he will be subjected to. Am I right or will those with the opposite view be right; we just don't know yet because Mark hasn't written that story yet.... Until he does, get over it.....

I can say that I was a little dissapointed in Granger. He really should not have taken time to explain things to Calvert. If Calvert can't follow orders or figure out that Granger was doing what was best for both of them; then he really isn't worth Granger's time in the first place... The last few chapters have shown the best and worst of Calvert; the problem for me is that when you add the two up, you still end up in the negative side... I think the division made sense to the most part in how Granger split the officers. We still need to find out what brought Humphreys and FitzWilliams to a Chilean jail; what happened to their ship and how did they lose it? FitzWilliams was obviously upset by being split off from Humphreys but did what Calvert should have done and followed orders. I would hate to be in the Govenors shoes when the reports and letters that everyone will send reaches those in charge. If you were going to make the deal, then do so before the destruction begin if not then suck it up and take your lumps.

I agree completely... I think everyone is jumping the gun on the coaches death. It has been only five days since JP/Brad/Robbie/Stef/Will found out about the sexual abuse. Arranging the death of someone like that and being able to cover yourself would take time and I am not sure that five days is enough to do it right. I think JP and Will were reacting to meeting the wife of the man that is abusing JJ and nothing else. I doubt anyone else that was there would even have noticed JP's reaction except Wade and since he knows nothing about the abuse he really has no way to link that momentary reaction to anything that is happening.

Okay, first the latest chapter, WOW, it was so unexpected to me. I just never saw another connection to the family coming up with the coach. David didn't seem very disturbed and the older son being shy and withdrawn; have to wonder if something was going on there. Will and JP had to be freaked out; they would recognize the wife from the picture they looked at the night they found out about JJ. We could all be jumping the gun thinking that JP/Brad had anything to do with the accident or whatever it was. The coach may have been found out by someone else and decided to kill himself rather than face the coming storm. An accident like what is described is a little hard to arrange on short notice and it has only been a few days since they found out. Plus, the way Will and JP acted was more like they were suprised that they recognized the women not well your husband will be dead in a few hours... I would have to assume that still only JP, Stef, Brad, Robbie, and Will know about the abuse; Will made Brad promise not to do anything without keeping the rest of the informed and Will just did not act like he was aware of the coach's soon to be demise. Of course, I could totally be wrong about this.... Still another couple of people for the family to end up caring about and helping to take care of... Okay, now to a couple of recent post... I did not mean to invalidate anyones experience after 9/11; I even mentioned that there was issues with that in Austin for a while after the attack. My issue is that even with Darius being referred to as a couple of shades darker than the rest of the family, most Persians I know either have blue or green eyes and even the ones with brown eyes tend to be a lighter shade of brown. I guess it is as others have stated that we all have an idea in our heads of what the people in the story look like and I have always placed Darius in the mode of most Persian/Anglos that I know and no one would ever mistakes them for Arabs... Plus, they will tell you very quickly that they are not Arab but Persians... I cannot and will not say that no one will comment on Darius heritage after 9/11; I just don't perceive it to be as much of an issue as it has been alluded to. Once again, I maybe completely wrong about this... Okay, now on to Wade and Matt's possible new sexual dynamic, not sure it is so new but.... Mark has been giving hints and leading up to this for quite a while, I don't even think this is the first story much less chapter that dropped hints about this maybe coming out. I am going to address this in a couple of areas. First, from a theraputic standpoint, only a very small number of people that are abused either physically, emotionally, mentally, or sexually; ever go down the road to being sexually submissive. Actually their past makes it much less likely that they will become truly submissive sexually no matter their sexual orientation. Also, from a theraputic standpoint, David was right. There are a great number of people both male and female as well as straight, bisexual, or gay that are extremely controlling or in control of every other aspect of their life but find the one place they can give up that control and enjoy it is sexually. My experience in counseling is that this happens quite often, much more then others realize, and is actually quite healthy and can benefit those individuals in other aspects of their lives by giving up that control sexually. Next, just because Wade may begin a submissive sexual relationship with Matt does not mean that he may not be versatile or even dominate with someone else. One size rarely fits all. They may experiment with this type of relationship and find it isn't for them. Finally, as part of my name would indicate, I am submissive sexually with certain men. This is actually my favorite type of sex but it doesn't always happen because honestly some people just will not believe that I am submissive. I have always been a rather take charge person in the rest of my life but do enjoy giving up control to the right man. As someone else has already stated, most submissives are the ones that actually control the relationship not the dominate partner. I think some people are confusing the idea of being submissive with the idea of being a slave or pet to someone else. They are definitely not the same thing...

Oh my freaking god... I just did not see this at all... No wonder both Will and JP reacted the way they did when they saw her. They had both seen a picture of his family they night they found the pictures of JJ. I wonder if it was an accident? Wade is going to make a great submissive and I bet Matt makes a great Dominate.

Oh, I don't think that Will would ever even consider joining a fraternity; I could see Darius doing so but never Will. I was just commenting on the fact that I don't really see Darius having many problems after 9/11 because of his heritage and then just making a comment on how restrictive some fraternities still are but they maybe more of an issue here in Texas or the south than in the rest of the country...

Great new chapter, I was so amazed again at how well Granger deals with everyone on their own level. He is able to place himself at just the right level but makes sure that everyone knows he is no ones fool. I can't believe the provincial idiot in charge thinks he can play with Granger, that was the reason that Granger made sure the first Spaniard understood how connected he was to the Court in Spain, even with the countries being at war. I was just starting to not hate Calvert after the last few chapters and then he goes and shows why he will never be suitable for Granger. Calvert pissed Granger off enough that he did not explain what his plan for Calvert and the other ship was. I sort of doubted that he was sending it very far away, but now who knows. Two ships have a better chance against anything else in the region plus if they could pick up another one, they might have a chance at a Spanish gold ship... Even better, when the arrive to deal with Maidstone, Granger will be in just that much more of a powerful position with an extra ship or two. I don't think he needs it really for that, is letters and powers from the privy council would under normal circumstances give him more than enough authority; but against Maidstone a little firepower might not hurt... I still want to hear how Humphreys and FitzWilliam ended up in a Chilean cell... This has to be one hell of a story. I am even going to believe that Maidstone might be behind it.... LOL...

Austin, Texas is by far the most liberal area in Texas but even here after 9/11 there was a backlash against those perceived to be Arabs or Muslims. I would sort of doubt that Darius would face that though, as Tim has stated almost all the Anglo/Persians that I know are usually mistaken for Italians or maybe French, from the southern part of the country. Plus, hate to say it but perception counts and Darius would not speak, dress, or behave in a manner that would make anyone perceive him as Arab or Muslim, although how you can tell someone is Muslim from looking at them I never really understood??? Once again, maybe different here in Texas but there are several fraternities that anything less that WASP, will keep you out. I do know there are some that are more open but that really wasn't the way it was back in the 80's when I was in college or even now down south. There are fraternities that are open to all but usually rare to find someone as pale as I am in them, plus they are often very homophobic.

Just when I think that I might have to get to like Calvert and accept his place in Granger's life, he does something like this and I get a little hope. I don't understand how based on the past he can believe his actions would go over well with Granger. I just love how Granger deals with the Spanish; he dealt with each officer on their level but isn't willing to take any guff from anyone. I sort of hope he does flatten the fort... Although Calvert's behaviour stopped the conversation, I have to wonder if Granger will not just keep the other ship near him; two ships would be better all along the rest of the voyage. With an extra ship or two, a gold ship might even be worth the risk... I can semi understand the American's attitude but after all, Granger just did rescue them all from prison and probably saved at least part of them from starving to death... Show a little gratitude why don't you??? I can't wait to see where Granger and his valiant crew go next...

Well, this was more of an up chapter than the last few... I was glad to see a few more saints being created but do agree that the traitor is close to the those in that room. I can't see who it is yet, but I am sure that it will be a suprise when it happens.

Well, the new chapter was just great. I thought the writing and research was especially well done on this chapter. Mark obviously either did some serious research on ECT or knows someone that has been through it. The scene with Jeanine and Will was spot on as far as how Jeanine would act after going through a couple of rounds of ECT treatments. As I went into in my review, this chapter really showed why this family will always survive. Ties may bend but they are almost impossible to break. Whether you are born into the family or brought into it; the loyalty to the family as a whole is really important to everyone. JP inspires an almost scary level of loyalty from those around him. I have to wonder how strong that will be in the next generation after JP/Stef/Isidore are gone. I do think that Matt and Wade are going to resolve their issues and find a way to come out stronger in the end. One of the big issues is that since they have been together; Matt has never seen Wade so enthralled by anyone but himself. Matt is having to deal with the issue that Brad may have something that or can effect something in Wade; that he can't. I don't think it is so much that Matt is jealous of Wade for sleeping with Brad as much as it is the feelings that Brad has awaken in Wade, that Matt fears. For some people, giving up total control in the bedroom to someone that you really trust can develop into an almost addictive behaviour. For someone like Wade that is in control of so many aspects of his life; the ability to give up control in one area to someone he trust, maybe more alluring that Matt can understand at this moment. I can't decide where Mark is taking the situation with Noah but much like Alistair; I think it is gonna be good for Will and I can't wait for the ride.

Magnificent... I just can't say how wonderful this chapter was, it showed why this family may bend but never breaks. Those that are lucky enough to be born into and really pulled into this family knows it is for life. Unless you are in a family like this or are really close to one; you just can't imagine how strong it makes everyone tied to it. This shows why in the end JJ will survive his abuse; why Brad and Robbie will be okay; and why Wade and Matt will figure out how to work out what has happened. The scene with Jeanine was really well done as well. The nuances were perfect on how someone that is involved with ECT acts after the treatments. Great work Mark in getting that right.

Well, hated to see the way this one ended. I sort of was hoping to see some demons and angels riding to the rescue at the last but sort of understand where this is going. Hope the next chapter is a little more upbeat... Not sure about the idea of James and Kyle being demon and angel but will be interesting to see where it goes. They just son't seem the sort that would have been picked by the other angels and demons, sort of a second tier pairing... Amplexor seems to have his own agenda.

I think one of the big questions will be how Humphreys and FitzWilliams came to be in the Chillean jail. When last seen they were sailing in the balmy seas of the Caribbean... You have to wonder how they ended up in the Pacific. Their ship wasn't designed to go through the horn like Granger did??? Masterful chapter and can't wait to see where the next one leads us. There was a mention of another privateer or two, so I can see the next battle is coming up. I wonder how many ships Granger will end up with by the time he gets back??? Mark, as to your pace of chapters; I would think that is mostly up to you... You could do one a day and it wouldn't be enough for me but only you know where you are taking us on this grand adventure. I am always glad to see a quick turnaround however, especially when those I care about are in danger...

Ugh, PrivateTim has two post back to back that I actually liked... My day just keeps getting worse... I have to really agree with his statement about Rudy Galindo. I think that he actually suffered more backlash against his skating career then Johnny Weir did in an undeserved way. I have always believed that Rudy Galindo worked harder and deserved much more recognition then he got during his skating career. I think in some ways his teaming early in his career with Kristi Yamaguchi to win the double titles actually hurt him later when he concentrated more on the singles side. While I believe that Johnny Weir was born with a great deal of talent; his behaviour and tempermental personality was as much to blame for his never reaching the top or being able to stay there. Talent can only carry you so far and Weir never had the work ethic or the self control to match Galindo, at least in my humble opinion... I also view the CAP family in a very personal way. I feel almost tied to them which is why I get so prickly sometimes I think when it comes to what is said or the reaction others have to them. I really would like to see JP as the narrator for the storyline dealing with 9/11. I don't know what Mark's thinking on this is but as PrivateTim said this is arguably one of the biggest days in the history of the US and except for the Kennedy assasination maybe the biggest since December 7th. It just seems to me that JP is the one person in the family with the gravitas to approach this most effectively. I do have one suggestion for those that are wanting a story before we tackle 9/11; if Mark feels it would be something that we could go back and look at, Tonto's death and maybe the months leading up to it... Tonto's departure from the story is one of the few incidents that never was covered in the manner I thought it should have been. She meant to much to so many but never got the send off she deserved. Mark, in the end, we are all going to go along with the ride that you take us on and will all be happy and thrilled with each twist and turn...

Well, as usual Granger carries the day with his skill and improvinisation. He handled the situation perfectly and without to much loss of life on any side. I was suprised that Granger was so sure that he would see de Arana again but then I guess his intuition has usually been right. I have to wonder what Humphreys and FitzWilliams were doing so far out of the Atlantic that landed them in a Chillean jail. I am sure this is going to be a good story. Glad to have them both back with Granger. Calvert actually had an idea of his own and it worked out... I am in shock. I know so many seem to like him and believe he fits Granger but he is just boring to me... I am trying to like him more though, so we will see... I realize Granger isn't back aboard but I have to believe that he will be shortly but have to wonder if that other French privateer isn't close by, I sense another battle coming up... Great job as usual with the writing and storyline. Can't wait for the next chapter.

After reading the latest chapter posted just a while ago; I have to say those moments of joy just makes the loss of innocence that much worse... This was a really sad chapter for me even though there were a lot little moments of happiness and repairs have started to more than one relationship... I am not sure how the Christmas day meeting with Jeanine is going to go but I have to believe that no matter where the story goes from here; everything will get better even if not everyone realizes it at the same time. Mark, I cannot say how deeply this storyline has touched me and how deftly you have pulled all the threads of the story together; this is just some truly remarkable writing...

I just loved the latest chapter... The sex, the drama, the chivalry... The three way with Granger, Calvert, and Somers was hot hot hot. I was really suprised that Calvert was so amiable to the idea. Somers is so freaking hot and in charge... You just knew the gate was going to be closed and there would be more to getting the fort. Having to climb the cliff was that one extra step that made it just that much more exciting. Granger had to think fast and improvise, two things he does almost as well as sex. The first step is taken care of and now we find out where the plan goes from here. I love the fact that Granger and the Spanish officer were willing to fight each other directly to both spare their men from more fighting. Granger was able to overcome a more skilled opponent by using his head. Now, just as you know he will, he will honor the fallen officer by taking care of his men as best he can. Chivalry lives... I really liked how Granger made sure that all of his officers understood the dangers and what would be expected of them if Granger and Calvert fell in this latest adventure. Even while planning this audacious move, Granger understands that the voyage is no where near the end and that those that could be left understand their responsibility. I don't suppose Granger can take the fort and Calvert take the ship but Calvert fall in the process??? I know, I know, Calvert is gonna live forever...

Frankly, you cannot know if I am wrong or not; you can believe I am and use your statements to support that belief but that doesn't make what you believe factual. In the last seven years I have resigned from administrative boards of one national organization and one state organization that dealt primarily with children exactly because they moved to do just what I said. In both cases, they were presented with what was in my opinion pretty clear evidence of systematic abuse at a summer camp in one case and a group home in another. When it became clear very quickly, that neither organization was going to do the right thing but instead was willing to spend significant amounts of money, time, and influence to fight the charges; I did the only thing I could do which was resign. In neither case was I the only one that left the boards nor did the matters resolve themselves quickly or painlessly for anyone involved. In addition, I was personally involved in my professional capacity as a United States sporting national association did just what I suggested the USFSA would do when a case of sexual abuse occured at one of their training facilities. I came in after the fact when the organization decided to establish new procedures and set up a board to come up with plans to address the issue and find a better way of reporting, dealing with, and resolving everything the next time it came up. The problem is that while the organization adopted almost every recommendation that the board made; the same people still run the organization and I personally have trouble believing that they wouldn't do the same thing again. In this case, the victim left the sport not so much because of the sexual abuse but because of the actions of the association when it defended the accused and the fact that many of the victims peers found out about the accusations and ended up turning on the victim because the accused ended up being forced out of the position the accused held. The victim clearly indicated that their life became a living hell more because of the aftermath rather then because of the sexual abuse itself. Even though everything was sealed, everyone at the training facility knew who was involved. Now, I will fully grant that the shield laws are more your area than mine; plus, I am sure that they are more comprehensive and effective in California than Texas. That being said, my experience is that the more insulated a group or organization is that something like this occurs in; the more likely that most of information ends up being known to those belonging to or involved in said organization or group. I am not trying to invalidate your experiences at all but the idea that your experience is the norm rather than the exception can be argued. You may also be right about how the USFSA would have reacted that close to the 2002 games; but neither of our positions is a given just a best guess. Your point of view is colored by your experience and legal backgroud but my experience as a therapist that deals primarily with teenagers has given me a considerable background in sexual abuse and the aftermaths over the last twenty or so years. After reading my original post, I agree it is a rather blanket statement based on my past experiences and I should have prefaced by saying so; but that doesn't make anything I said incorrect.

I have to start by saying that in my professional experience; no child sex abuser ever has had only one victim and none can be cured of the compulsion. Chemical or physical castration can significantly lower the urges but even then they can turn to violence rather than sex. Organizations such as the USFSA will always circle the wagons and move to protect themselves and the adults within the organization. It is so rare that any organization moves to actually protect the children involved because of the fear of lawsuits and negative publicity. Even today organizations especially those that deal with children are more interested in covering their asses than protecting the kids. Now, because there is photographic evidence, it will be harder to just sweep this under the rug but that is what the USFSA first reaction is going to be to do. I have never seen any organization man up and do the right thing even when significant proof is offered up; just look at Penn State, the Boy Scouts of American, the Catholic Church, the Boys and Girls Clubs of America, etc... They may eventually come around but it usually takes years and significant legal prodding for that to happen. They always start by blaming the victim or calling them liars... JJ's whole world is wrapped up in skating and no matter how it is handled; he is going to have significant issues to overcome. If his coach just disappears, there is a good chance that neither JJ nor the other children involved will ever have any real sense of closure. Because of how tightly wound up these children are with their skating personas; it is going to be equally hard for them to deal with anything that causes any disruptions in their skating lives. In many ways it is harder on children that have had some kind of gay feelings developing before the abuse; they always have to deal with that self doubt that they did something that spurred the abuse on. Going to the police and the USFSA will make the case public and then the kids will have to deal with the media, their peers, blowback from the USFSA, legal issues, and coming to terms with what happened to them. If you don't go to the police and the USFSA, then the other parents may never be made aware of what happened or even worse they may find out and choose to do nothing for fear that their child will be stigmatized or they may even blame their child. If the coach just up and disappears, the victims may never find closure and you may never find out how many victims were involved and where there any other adults involved... If you turn the evidence over to the police and the USFSA, there will be blowback on the victims in some form from the USFSA and the coach may have additional pictures, etc... that he will try and use to make the victims look equally culpable or even just the fear of what will come out at a trial may haunt the victims. There is a clear right answer to this situation legally; the problem is that both morally and ethically, the answer isn't always as clear cut. In other issues, Robbie has a little more reason to be upset about Brad having sex with Wade then Brad does about the actor and Jeff. Neither of the two that Robbie had sex with were family while Wade clearly is; this makes a big distinction. I am not saying this absolves Robbie because it doesn't, it just make the issue more complicated. What Brad and Robbie both need to realize is that they have more important issues to deal with in their relationship than who cheated first, with who, or most... In the story, JP, Stef, Will and maybe Brad were suprised that Robbie was trying to deal with his problems with Brad first instead of Will. I think this makes perfect sense. I think Robbie's inital issues with Will were in reaction to the problems that Will and Brad were having. I think the fact that Brad was able to work out his issues with Will but wasn't able to convince Robbie or communicate with him the reasons caused Robbie's problems with Will to grow. Robbie needs to deal with his issues with Brad before tackling the issues he has with Will. That isn't to say the issues with Will are less important, but some of those issues arose because of issues Brad and Robbie didn't address. I really think that Will and maybe to a lesser extent Matt maybe the best ones to help JJ deal with some of his issues. JJ will definitely need counseling but in the short term, Will and Matt may be able to reach JJ in ways that no one else in the family will be able to. What do you think will happen to Michael now??? Mark, this latest chapter just goes to show how truly gifted you are, the writing is pulling everyone into the story in so many personal ways... Bravo...

Okay, first the newest chapter of Paternity is up and Mark was right, DRAMA, DRAMA, DRAMA.... I have been saying for months now that there was something behind JJ's actions and his complete change in behaviour. There was so many little things that JJ did or said that indicated some type of abuse. The fact that JJ was being abuse and even that it was his coach wasn't the shock to me in this chapter it was that Will was the one that found out. Was this file on Will's computer the one that came to light when Michael took the pictures of Will in Oslo? I am pretty sure that Will went through all of those pictures so was there another set that he did not see? If so, why did no one go through all the pictures? If it wasn't that file, then how did it get on Will's computer? Did JJ place it there hoping that Will would find it and save him? It seems that there are still several unanswered questions... If I was the coach and even to a lesser extent the whole skating federation leadership, I would be afraid, very afraid... Nothing unites a family, especially this family, in the same way as someone threatening or harming one of the kids. JP, Brad, Stef, Claire, Robbie et al are going to be on the warpath. This is a family that because of their wealth and position and influence over a variety of areas are going to be a nightmare for all those involved. The one thing that everyone needs to remember is that JJ is going to try and blame himself when this all hits the fan. Skating has become his life and he is going to do and say anything to protect it at least in the short term. Robbie may also blame himself for not seeing the signs but he is no more to blame than JJ is in regards to this. Even with everything that has happened, Will is going to be so pissed and upset that someone is probably going to have to sit on him to keep him from killing the coach. JJ maybe older than Will but Will has always tried to look out for and protect JJ and even with all the recent acrimony between Will and JJ; Will is going to be out for blood. I think that Robbie may have started to come to his senses. It was a small moment but when he came back and apologized to Will and then did not let JJ goad him into blowing up again, that was huge... I know it happened off scene but when Robbie left the house and obviously started for the airport and realized that Brad was secure enough in throwing him out of the house that had to make Robbie stop and think. Robbie had to realize that Brad would never have taken that step if he did not think the rest of the family would back him up. I don't think that Robbie is ready to give up the only family that is really important to him over this. He is going to have to crawl over some broken glass and beg to repair some of the damages but this may have beent he moment he realized he was heading in the wrong direction. I thought the scene with Will and Tiffany with the babies was really important as well. Will still doesn't get the fact that not everyone views family and life the way he does. Will has been really dissapointed in how not only Cody but others have acted because he views family as something that is so important it cannot be ignored. Will has grown and matured greatly but is going to have to learn that not everyone is on the same wavelength that he is on... Okay, I am going to step lightly into the discussion over soft versus hard science. Most of the hard science has been around for hundreds if not thousands of years in some cases. In the last fifty years much of the the so called hard sciences have been completely turned on their ears by new knowledge or finding out that long held beliefs were wrong. Even now there are some that are finding that " truths " held just a few decades ago as absolutes may not be true at all. The so called soft sciences have really only been around for the last one hundred and fifty years or so and while the advances in the last twenty years or so have been grand; we are still finding our footing and developing our level of competence. But, I would argue that the learning curve for the so called soft sciences have been much shorter and without as many out right idiocies as some of the hard sciences have been.

I have been saying for months that there was something behind JJ's reversal of behaviour and even suggested that this was it but for Will to be the one to find it and OMG.... I can only imagine the reprisals that will come from this.... Nothing will unite the family like an attack on one of the children. You can't really include Will among the children to some extent but JJ clearly is.... Not only the coach but the whole skating federation might want to go into hiding; JP, Stef, Brad, Claire, Will, and I guess everyone else will be on the warpath... I thought that when the chapter opened Will once again showed his growing level of maturity and at the family supper when he came back; Robbie may have started to realize how far he has fallen... Robbie will blame himself for the situation with JJ and his coach; but this is no more his fault than it it JJ's. Robbie is going to have to do some crawling but I do believe that he and Brad will survive... I am really suprised at how obsessed Wade is becoming with Brad, really did not see this reaction to their sleeping together as the end result...