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Taboo is merely a cultural construct. There are no universal taboos. Which means we're not all talking about the same thing . Some are commenting on cultural taboos while others are commenting on matters of distaste, disgust or illegality.

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"Graphic terms". Interesting phrase. It doesn't mean the same as "non-titillating". Well here's a couple of thoughts. 1. Murder This is the most heinous crime. Do "normal" well-adjusted people like murder? I think not. Do they want to read about it? Hell yes - it's one of the most popular fiction genres. What's going on? 2. Graphic violence Do "normal" well-adjusted people like graphic violence? I don't think so. Do they want to see it? Hell yes - look at the box office for Quentin Tarantino What's going on?

Happy birthday Ieshwar - have a great day! :wizard: I've baked you a lovely cake - full of fresh ingredients

Well, that's because there is - fiction is created, real life happens So when people post views on one or the other it's important to know which one they're referring to [see above].

Er, is this directed at anyone in particular?

Wow, I was referring to "positions taken" by all posters in this thread. My apologies but the previous post wasn't all about you - only the bits immediately after the quote boxes Just to clarify - and again this isn't about you - "real human behaviour" is what happens in terms of fact or anthropology, with many examples from published works such as Kinsey and Morris, whereas fiction is by definition "created". Important not to conflate the two.

Correct. Correct again. Whether it's due to shame, repression, denial or some of the many other things that fuck us up by the time we reach adulthood, I don't know. This is an area that gets people really wound up, and for good reasons. But to avoid misunderstandings about positions taken it might be helpful to clarify whether we're talking about real human behaviour, titillating stuff, or serious stuff - because it's not clear to me what all the posts in this thread have been about. Children do have sexual thoughts and sometimes act on them. This is fact. I know. I was sexually aware well before puberty. I knew what turned me on well before I reached double figures and I had my first sexual experience with another boy when I was 11 and a bit he was 13. It was mutual, there was no pressure, I loved it and I'm glad it happened. And I'm sure I played show me yours / mine much earlier. I don't think there's anything exceptional in my experiences and it's normal if it happens and normal if it doesn't But as we grow into adults our childhood experiences - if we had them - are all "forgotten" and the wonder of discovering sex is replaced by all kinds of psycho-sexual hangups and horror at the idea that children might be thinking / doing anything sexual. Just as for children the very idea that their mum and dad ever had sex is just gross and disgusting! So, coming back to fiction, do I want to read titillating stories about this kind of activity? No. Do I question those who write / read titillating stories about this kind of activity? Yes. Might I want to read fiction about this kind of activity if it was not titillating? Quite possibly if it was, say, an autobiography or a story where there was compelling plot justification. The important thing here is that the writing is not titillating but the activity serves a purpose such as humour or future plot development. Which comes back to what Mann said earlier about it being "handled properly".

Mr Parker F Jones has to be a hot contender to win the 2013 Understatement Of The year prize A secret document, published in declassified form for the first time by the Guardian today, reveals that the US Air Force came dramatically close to detonating an atom bomb over North Carolina that would have been 260 times more powerful than the device that devastated Hiroshima ... "one simple, dynamo-technology, low voltage switch stood between the United States and a major catastrophe" ... "It would have been bad news – in spades," he wrote... http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/20/usaf-atomic-bomb-north-carolina-1961 Almost as epic as BA Captain Eric Moody's announcement to passengers when all 4 engines stopped after flying through a volcanic dust cloud "Ladies and gentlemen, this is your Captain speaking. We have a problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing are damnedest to get them going again. I trust you are not in too much distress"

Yes, if there is a legitimate plot reason then anything can be covered in fiction and nothing is taboo. That includes incest. It includes rape. It includes sex under the legal age of consent - which, incidentally, has an astonishing range across countries, cultures and over history - and it could include cannibalism - there are plenty of real life cases that demonstrate this. Your qualifier is at the core of this thread, Mann - "as long as it's handled properly". In other words there must be a compelling reason for it. If it's just gratuitous it raises questions about the writer's integrity and the reader's motives .

The Battle of the Bones - now it's getting ugly! They're fighting over the bones of Shakespeare's greatest villain, Richard III The crooked, scheming murderer of the Little Princes who stole the crown of England and was hacked to death on the battlefield in 1485, had his bones dug up from a council car park last year. And now Leicester and York are fighting over them - Leicester stakes a claim because the bones were in its municipal car park, York claims them because Richard was the last Yorkist king. This time the battle is taking place in the courts: "Richard’s descendants from the Plantagenet Alliance have launched a High Court challenge to the decision by the Ministry of Justice and the University of Leicester to push ahead with the burial in Leicester Cathedral. The university has launched a staunch defence in its involvement in the archaeological dig, and stressed it had “led and principally funded” the excavations in partnership with Leicester City Council and the Richard III Society. A spokesman said: “The university supports the view of the Richard III Society and other partners that re-interment is a final act with an over-riding need for dignity.The university declines to comment on allegations conflated from various sources designed to promote the Plantagenet Alliance’s interests. Leicester City Council declined to comment, while no-one was available from the city’s cathedral." The judge has urged both sides to settle out of court in order to "avoid embarking on the Wars of the Roses, Part Two" :funny: So why all this fuss over a few old bones? Richard III still has many supporters even after all this time and despite the damning evidence against him, and they want him interred in an appropriate place, which they claim should be York. But another reason is money - there's money in them thar bones Before Henry VIII abolished the monasteries in England they were running a nice little earner with "relics". These were claimed to be bits of bodies of saints or the Cross and so on and were big attractions for tourists - called pilgrims then - and were very profitable, and almost certainly fraudulent. If an English monastery didn't have a "relic" then it was missing out on mega bucks. Well now we have real relics - the real bones of the most infamous king in English history - and wherever they end up they will attract serious numbers of tourists and serious amounts of tourist income. Let battle commence http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/university-hijacked-richard-iii-bones-discovery-1-6063349

Bill, you really don't want to know

Thoughtful and thought-provoking blog, Ashi. The only point I'd pick up on is "Nobody likes preachers" - maybe someone should have a word with those Bible Belters, or some of the radicalisers ....

"I don't know if I'm wiser but I'm definitely smarter. Making mistakes is the only way one can continue to grow as a person, no matter what their age. Some people will learn while others will make the same mistake over and over. I, for one, will not be one of those people. Lesson learned. Here's to my next mistake." Well said! Life's not meant to be an easy ride - what would be the point? - and each time you get knocked down you pick yourself up, brush yourself down, and head off towards the next kicking ... *joke * Sounds like you understand you are in charge of your own life - no-one else is, certainly not The-Person-Formerly-Believed-To-Be-My-Friend. You will make new friends - real ones - so lock away any regrets you may have about this person and throw away the key

Yes, those born after 1990 have arrived in a world that's been pretty well fucked over by the previous generations. And they have no responsibility for that. And maybe you could say the same for a lot of previous generations. The baby boom ties in with post-war reconstruction [WWII] which saw an unprecedented rise in economic growth and improvements in living standards - most especially in the US. In 1950s American movies the super-saturated colour reflects the optimism and "feel good" of that time. Probably it was assumed that growth in prosperity would just continue, and for a time it did, but nothing was done to ensure it would. But would that even have been possible? Governments are not interested in policies for future generations, they're only interested in policies that will win the next election (except China with their one child per family policy - but then the Chinese Leadership is not exactly too worried about the results of the next "election" ... ). Also, history shows that humans have always lived through "cycles of change" and we're going through one right now. It's the human condition.

Have a great day Daddy!!

Other countries obviously have much to learn about bringing up normal well-adjusted children ...

Might be more complicated - seems there's hakuri, kasakuri, kuriken, mikuri, siba-kuri and torakuri chestnut cultivars. In England we call them sweet chestnuts and they're also used in cooking and sometimes roasted by the fire - well, that mostly happens in Charles Dickens' books http://www.ct.gov/caes/lib/caes/documents/publications/fact_sheets/plant_pathology_and_ecology/a_-_z_named_chestnut_cultivars.pdf

Happy days, eh?

Hahaha! Nothing like getting back to basics, mr.chris And Mike - you needn't have read through to the end - guess you were "sucked in" so to speak Yes, we have all encountered these etiquette "problems". And the Japanese take these so seriously they have a lavish range of lavatories equipped with sophisticated electronic counter-measures to combat them But in my opinion you can't beat old technology, where the cystern was mounted near the ceiling allowing gravity to create a massively powerful cataract like a mini-Niagara - handles any "payload"

No flames on my part. My issue simply concerned your choice of description "every". If you'd said "a lot" on Nifty then I'd have had no problem at all Sorry it was the wrong story but it did match every one of your criteria, specifically - it starts off about a boy, - he grows up through the story - it does indeed start off very racy and nifty-esque - it does evolve into a more mature and touching story about life, love, and people we care about - and, the clincher, at the end of the story, when the guy dies, he meets all the people that shaped his life, including old love In fact it's the only gay story I've read that takes the story's protagonists all the way from childhood through adulthood to old age - and then death. That was a bit of a shock when I read it years ago which is why I remembered it. Readers often complain they want more - "what happened next?" Well in this story the author closed that one off with finality

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Oh dearie me, that old canard again. This simply isn't true. First, you'll find "no-sex" stories there. Second there are GA stories with far more explicit and frequent sex than some Nifty stories. Third, you've obviously never read the outstandingly excellent gay-amateur-detective "Two Distinct Divisions" mystery stories by Horatio Nimier http://eu.nifty.org/nifty/gay/relationships/two-distinct-divisions/ Yes. David's Initiation - from high school to old age http://www.nifty.org/nifty/gay/beginnings/davids-initiation/ Now say thank you .

Would this cum come with a graphic??

This cat's lapping it up