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Nanny 911


Andrew Q Gordon

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For those who've talk to me in chat, you know we had a bit of a glitch with the Nanny. We thought we were getting Mary Poppins but what we got was a Nanny 911 reject.

 

We hired the Nanny - let's call her Mary - because she was an older woman - and by older I mean not in her twenties. She has grown kids, been a nanny for a long time, and had good references. She knew/knows a LOT about babies and their developmental stages, she also didn't ask to be paid under the table. That last one was something of a biggie for us. Given my occupation, I can't be paying people illegally.

 

So with much anticipation, she arrived two weeks ago. Within an hour she decided we weren't doing anything right. blink.png For nearly two weeks now we've had food issues with her - and by food issues, I mean how, when and how much 'lil Q gets fed.

 

When she arrived she announced that we were doing it all wrong. That the most important element was making sure she got enough formula. She was rather adamant that babies need to get 24-32 ounces of formula a day and that the solid food we were giving her - at the doctor's direction - was to be secondary to the formula. She was told to do it our way, food first then formula, because honestly 'lil Q doesn't get that much solid food yet.

 

After she changed the order, she started cramming formula at a prodigious rate into the baby. The feeding order was 6oz, - cereal/fruit + 4oz; fruit and meat/veggies +6oz; 6 oz: cereal fruit + 4oz. So five times a day she eats. I feed her first thing in the am, then the nanny does the next two and we do the last two.

 

The first feeding she gave her 6 instead of 4 then her cereal then 2 more. after the walk she gave her another 2 for no other reason than she might be thirsty. Her seconding time feeding, she again upped the formula.

 

So I - not being home, wrote her a note saying no no no. Do it our way and I laid out the order again. I explained, nicely I thought, that if she doesn't finish her formula, she can have it later, but she needed to get in the habit of eating not just drinking.

 

I got a note back saying - again - 'lil Q needed between 24-32 oz a day. If you go back and do the math, you will see that our numbers came out to 26oz a day. My next note - what part of 26 does NOT fall between 24-32 was tossed out by Mike before she could read it. But not to worry, I was home on Nanny's 5th day - and when she reiterated the amounts, I asked her when the numerical system changed. She gave me that huh look huh.png So I asked, when did 26 stopped being after 24 but before 32. She stopped with that. That day she also told me - at the end of the day - that 'lil Q didn't eat any of her solid foods - I nearly blew a blood vessel in my head because that is when it dawned on my I saw her feeding 'lil Q the bottle before the food. I - perhaps not too nicely this time - reminded her that she was supposed to give her food THEN formula and that it was not open for discussion.

 

Amazingly, since we insisted, 'lil Q has always eaten her food and drank her formula. Go figure.

 

So we figured all was well. Nope, not at all. Mike noticed she was putting an entire scoop of formula and a formula scoop of cereal in 'lil'Q's bowl. First that's too much cereal, but the worse part was this was her way of getting around our feeding regiment - we didn't say don't put 2 oz of formula in her cereal. dry.png So we nipped that in the bud and realized how much food she had given 'lil Q in just a week. It was incredible.

 

Now 'Mary' is not svelte. In fact she tells us the reason she can't hold 'lil Q to fed her is because she too fat and her belly gets in the way - her words not mine. So maybe she see's nothing wrong with the baby getting fat, but we do. I know folks are going to say there is no such thing as a fat baby, but when we went to the Doc, 'lil Q was 90th percentile length wise and 75% weight. Clearly she wasn't under fed.

 

We got another discussion about how she needed more food because she was going to have a growth spurt etc. 'lil Q is one of the happiest babies I know. Ask anyone who's met her. She is also very good at telling us she is hungry. IF she needed more food, she'd let us know and we give it to her, that was how we knew to increase her formula from 4oz to 6. Another sit down with 'Mary' Again it was explained, there isn't any issue to resolve. She gets what we tell her and that's it. The Doc was very happy with her development, saying she was doing great. In my mind we were/are doing things right because the baby is doing well. Why are we tinkering with something that isn't broke? Yeah I know there is the idea of it could always be better, but if she's eating, gaining weight, and thriving, why are we trying to change things? We aren't is the bottom line.

 

SO fast forward to Wednesday this week. It is good I work outside of the house, because I'd probably be taking off work for a few weeks while we find a new nanny. "Mary' told Mike that on Thurs & Fri of last week and Mon and Tues of this week, she'd been experimenting with 'lil Q's feeding, giving her 3 oz before her nap and 3 oz after so 'lil Q would sleep at least 90 minutes.

 

So first - who the (@% said she could test her theories on the baby without our okay? If I'd been home I'd have fired her. Mike took a more measured approach, he called me and vented. But the other problem I had was this length of nap shit. 'lil Q sleeps from 10-10 with a 15-20 wake up around 630-7:00 to eat. Most people do it 7-7 but with Mike working at home, we don't get the Nanny til 10 am so this worked for us.

 

The Nanny knows she sleeps til 10 am, because often she is the one to wake her. So by 1-1:30 she's been up about 3 -3.5 hours max. She doesn't need an hour and a half nap that soon. Moreover, we've been letting her sleep as long or as little as she wanted. "Mary' gave her food before the nap to 'help' her sleep longer. Her opinion was 'lil Q woke up because she was hungry but if we fed her before the nap, she could sleep longer. Well yeah, if you stuff me full of food, I could take a nice little nap too. The point is she doesn't need that much of a nap at that time.

 

Coincidentally, a 90 minute nap is about 25% of the time the Nanny is here. Hmm, shorter nap, more work, longer nap, less work. Nope, no correlation there at all. Then came the smoke up my ass. She tried to tell me that 'lil Q needed the nap to recharge and to grow. Of course, how stupid of me. Those 12 hours she slept at night did nothing to help her grow, in fact she didn't grow a lick any time other than that 90 minute nap during the 6 hours the Nanny was here. Right.

 

So we sat her down yesterday - I had to take a couple hours off work to be here. We explained, that there weren't going to be anymore feeding or sleeping issues. We set the schedule in accordance with our Pediatrician. We'd read other books and asked other people before we came up with her routine. 'lil Q was/is thriving, growing, gaining weight, developing at or above expectations. There was NO need at all to change things. We welcomed suggestions, but we didn't ever want to see/hear she changed something, tested a theory, or whatever without asking us first.

 

I realize we don't know everything, far from it, but what I do know, is 'lil Q is in a good routine that has let her develop on track or faster and has left her very happy. Unless there is a reason to change - i.e. she's being harmed or it's inhibiting her development, there is no reason to change. In fact, mucking with her routine is likely to cause more harm than good.

 

I think she got the message. In fact today, she did it exactly as we wanted. But she did say to me that 'lil Q didn't sleep very much and that she was tired but wouldn't go to sleep. I was like, yeah, well my mom told me I rarely slept more than 30-45 minutes, my nieces and nephews didn't do more than that, my co-workers twins don't do more, in fact few babies do so it's probably just fine. tongue.png

 

Now let's see what next week brings.

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Lugh

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hugs

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MikeL

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You guys have a lot of patience. It's your call. It doesn't sound like you are going to give in. Good for you.

 

For a baby's growth, love is as important as food.

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Marzipan

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Trust your instincts. You're doing FINE. Ditto what MikeL said.

 

*hugs*

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Daddydavek

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Wow! I was fortunate in that we could afford for my wife to be a stay-at-home mom until the kids were in school and then she worked part-time in our school district and was off when they were off. You guys have a much tougher road to hoe and I don't envy you this at all. Just hang in there and try to not be upset in front of the baby.

 

Hopefully things are now resolved, but if not, there are other nannies out there and it just takes time to find one who is simpatico with your situation and little Q's well-being!

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Tomas

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From what you have said, I still believe her name is 'Ratched' and she is working undercover.

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Mark92

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Hugs all :hug: Trust your instincts not Nanny Mcfee :)

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Andrew Q Gordon

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Thanks all. We'll be fine, I'm as stubborn as they come where 'lil Q is concerned. No one messes with the baby bear when the Momma Bear is around. :P Besides, I'm the boss, this is a great gig for the Nanny - 6 hours, close to home, an easy baby, Mike works from the house so if there's a problem, like the need for a dr. or something, he's here. She doesn't want to quit or get fired. My sense is she didn't want to do the standard 10-12 hour nanny gig anymore but wanted more than a couple-three hours a day, so we're the perfect match for her. She'll tow the line or we'll get someone else. Not really a debate to be had. lol

sorgbarn

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I've read your last entries on the 'nanny issue', and I must say I'm impressed how patiently you are dealing with her. Just reading about it makes me exhausted.

 

Seems to me nanny is forgetting a couple of things. Most importantly - you are the parents, not she. Secondly - there are more ways than just one to feed and raise a baby/child. Just because she is used to do it one way, and maybe has done it so since her own children were babies, doesn't mean your way isn't good. Is she up to date with the latest directives on feeding and such?

 

Just as you say as long as the child is content and happy there is no need to change any routine, and she, like all children, will let you know when she isn't.

 

You're also saying you don't know everything - well, no first time parents know everything, and even if there is a second time around you still don't know everything,because every child is different. You don't have to be a perfect parent, just good enough.

 

I hope the nanny issue works out for you. Good luck!

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Cia

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You, and everyone else who have said it, are exactly right. No one is going to care more about that baby than you are and no one has a more vested interest in making her into happy, healthy little individual. From what I read of your schedule and feeding habits, you are spot on for what I discovered worked for my 2 kids. Food should be before the milk/formula, EVERY time.

 

There is only one thing I see that the nanny was thinking that is a little right. Baby Q may be thirsty. At 5-6 months I began to introduce my children to cups, with an ounce or two of water, once a day. Now, mine weren't bottle fed so that wasn't a conflict but my friend also found it good way to get her son off the bottle early.

 

Formula is food. Babies are just like everyone else, they get thirsty, especially if they are out in hot weather. If she doesn't need the nutrition (and her growth percentiles say she's just fine) then adding water in a cup now wouldn't hurt her. Just something to think over and discuss.

 

I really hope the nanny gets into shape and realizes that you're not some first time parent with no idea of what you're doing. Because, from what you've said and shown us in pictures, you've been raising a great baby girl so far!

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Johnathan Colourfield

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Gosh she sounds like she needs a slap. You are from what we have seen knowledgeable parents and lovely ones at that :)

 

You're the boss and she should listen to you :) And she doesn't, she knows where the door is :)

 

Baby Q is so adorable :P I want to steal her! :)

 

Then give her back when she poops...

 

*hug*

sat8997

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Completely agree with Cia about the water and cup. :)

Andrew Q Gordon

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Cia - the water thingy, we've already been giving her water, and we told her if you think she's thirsty give her water NOT more formula. That got us a sour look, but she is doing it. We're trying the cups already, but she's meh on them so it's a struggle. But what we're doing now is we got the arms for her bottle and we're teaching her to hold the arms while we feed her. Lately she's been grabbing them and holding them more and more, so hopefully soon she'll be doing it with the cup. We've got the sippy kind, and the kind with a straw like thingy so we're experiment with which one she'll take to first.

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Andrew Q Gordon

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Sorbam: That was our issue, she's doing great why are you upsetting the routine? That's over - one way or another. It is down to our way or the highway. And I'm feeling good that she'll do it our way, but continue to try to get us to change things.

 

J.C.: You can't steal her and give her back when she does a doodle - you take the good with the bad or get nonya. :P

 

Sharon: She my answer to Cia, we're already ahead of you there ;)

W_L

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Q, I think you probably have enough know how now to write your own book on baby care :D Seriously, I am envious and wished one day to be able to the same with a lil pup or las of my own.

 

You have the patience of a saint to be able to keep that nanny after she had tried to override you, your partner, and your doctor's requests. I don't think I could probably be as tactful as you. If our positions were reversed and I found out what the nanny was doing, it'd end up as an episode of COPS, not Nanny 911.

 

Lil Q is really blessed to have a mamma bear like you,

 

Send my hugs and kisses

W.L

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Westie

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erm, not to be harsh but.... fire her. i dont allow my employees to question my authority. And she is exactly that - an employee. Get rid and save yourself the hassle

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Rndmrunner

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Sorry about the nanny problems. Sounds like you guys are doing great though. We found that verybody feels that it is helpful to show you the error of your ways when it comes to babies. They feel that they are being "helpful" and what worked for them, or their kids,or their sister's gorcer's kids will obviously be correct for your child. Sorry, get used to it and keep holding the line. As gay dads you are also super visible and people you don't recognise will know of you and feel obliged to be "helpful". Many are and many are a pain in the ass. We found on any issue we got the full 360 in terms of advice - at least that gave us the freedom to do what we felt was best for us.

 

Keep having fun. It sounds like Q is adorable and you both love her to peices so that's all that really matters

 

Rick

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Andrew Q Gordon

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W.L.: not sure patience is the right word. She is truly a good nanny in the sense she understand things and we have total confidence she'd be good in a 'crisis.' The issues was one of wills - I think so at least. Mike is home and he wasn't very forceful at first. She had her ideas of what is best, we had ours. She thought she could impose them on us, but we - Mike - pushed back and now - at least today - things look like they are back on track - she even said something to me about her adapting to our schedule so- we'll see right?

 

Westie: That's not harsh, believe me if I had a ready alternative I'd do it. My sister said almost the same thing as you. The problem is - at least in DC area - finding a good nanny is hard because day care slot - good day cares that is - are hard to come by. We're on two waiting lists and don't expect to get a slot until Jan 2013. Firing her would likely result in a worse solution - hiring someone who didn't really have a clue or whom we didn't have confidence in.

 

RIck: I agree with what you've said so far, everyone has an opinion. I almost told someone who was pissing me off that opinions are like assholes - everyone has one, but no one wants to hear theirs. Mike told me to be good so i was. She really isn't 'bad' though the testing her theory did really frost my you know whats. But we're hopefully we've turned the corner - fingers crossed.

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Rndmrunner

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It will all settle hopefully and suddenly Q will be in school and you won't understand how time passed so fast. Our first caregiver was a new immigrant from Pakistan and we figured that we had better be very clear that our being gay was not going to be a problem. Her english wasn't great so when we discussed it her first response to my partner was "you're the brother? the uncle?" but she quickly got the picture and had no problem. Our only complaint was that the umbrella agency took too big a cut of her fee. In the end it was great and we were sorry to leave when our daughter got a place in the daycare that is located in the school she now attends. That is priceless by the way as you get before and after school care through grade 6.

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Y_B

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Bloop

GeR

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Is this a sit-com script you are writing? You are much more patient that I would be! After about 2 tries, she would have been out the door! Hope things are getting better by now.

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