sat8997 Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 Julien, your avatar is freaking me out! But I can't look away... Vic You know when I make comments like this, people think drug use. Is there anything you'd like to share, Vic. (Stories, not drugs....mmmm...maybe I should rethink that) Sharon
Masked Monkey Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 Julien, your avatar is freaking me out! But I can't look away... Vic You know when I make comments like this, people think drug use. Is there anything you'd like to share, Vic. (Stories, not drugs....mmmm...maybe I should rethink that) Sharon <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Maybe the response you get has something to do with what you put in the parenthesis . :king: Snow Dog
Masked Monkey Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 Maybe I should use the brackets. They look more responsible. Sharon <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Imagine having to tell a 60 year old retired Marine who is working as a DoD Investigator everything you have ever done that somebody could possibly use to try to blackmail you That's when you realize that it is easier to be responsible than have to discuss when you were not. :king: Snow Dog
carmichael Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 One of the reasons I like Dom's stories as much as I do is the realistic way he portrays peoples reactions. I have no idea how Brad will react, but I won't be upset if he turns out to be an Adam. Like Dom himself said at the end of TLW, people often lose good friends when they come out, and to expect that everyone will be accepting of you even in the long run is kind of foolish. There needs to be those negative reactions to add diversity to the story, and Dom doesn't hold back. That's why he is a kick ass writer. *Edit: Just read carmichaels post, and I was sort of repeating what he already said. Great minds think alike <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agreed!
sat8997 Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 It certainly seems like he's had his fair share of struggles the past 14 chapters. Yeah, they may have all been within himself, but I think that might be the point of this story. I agree with this. I've said all along that TOU wasn't about Quinn coming out, but Quinn coming to terms with himself. Just having him tell Brad that he was attracted to a guy was a large leap. Sharon
Masked Monkey Posted July 22, 2005 Posted July 22, 2005 (edited) It certainly seems like he's had his fair share of struggles the past 14 chapters. Yeah, they may have all been within himself, but I think that might be the point of this story. I agree with this. I've said all along that TOU wasn't about Quinn coming out, but Quinn coming to terms with himself. Just having him tell Brad that he was attracted to a guy was a large leap. Sharon <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Getting him to stop thinking about the "now" and just enjoy would be a better one. Edit: of course, I think that is Jude's job to make sure it happens :king: Snow Dog Edited July 22, 2005 by Snow Dog
jon Posted July 23, 2005 Posted July 23, 2005 i sure hope he ends up being like a Ryan....i just cant hardly take it when best friends split up im all about the loyalty!!! but whatever Dom decides to do with it, will be good.
Masked Monkey Posted July 23, 2005 Posted July 23, 2005 i sure hope he ends up being like a Ryan....i just cant hardly take it when best friends split up im all about the loyalty!!! but whatever Dom decides to do with it, will be good. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Loyalty is important, and too often broken because people think that friendship means sharing one mind or telling the other person everything about you. Loyalty is not about the known, it is an advance decision about how to deal with the unknown. :king: Snow Dog the Domaholic Danderthal
AFriendlyFace Posted July 23, 2005 Posted July 23, 2005 Ok so I noticed someone saying that they thought Brad and Bree will be ok with Quinn being gay (which I'm inclined to agree with), but then it said "Marrissa won't be ok with Quinn being gay." Which may indeed be the case, but am actually the only one who kinda got the impression Marrissa might be a closet case herself?? Let me explain first of all she'd been dating Quinn forever right, but she was just as comfortable not taking things to a very passionate level as he was. And then the one time he tried, she freaked out. And he made a point of saying that he could tell she didn't feel any great chemistry or attraction to him. Then there's the fact that the rumor about her and Trina was so upsetting to her, it was just another rumor, and pressumably she's subject to many of them, but this one really got under her skin (struck a nerve perhaps?), then there's the fact that she hates Trina so much in the first place (again could it be because she's envious of the way Trina's "out" and doing what she wants). Finally look at the fact that her NEW relationship with the guy after Quinn didn't last very long (perhaps he wasn't as comfortable as Quinn, regarding no passion). I dunno maybe I'm just reaching, but from the very beginning of the story I consistantly had the feeling that by the end of it Marrissa would turn out to be gay too. Of course maybe that's why I interpreted everything else that followed as further hints.
Masked Monkey Posted July 23, 2005 Posted July 23, 2005 Ok so I noticed someone saying that they thought Brad and Bree will be ok with Quinn being gay (which I'm inclined to agree with), but then it said "Marrissa won't be ok with Quinn being gay." Which may indeed be the case, but am actually the only one who kinda got the impression Marrissa might be a closet case herself?? Let me explain first of all she'd been dating Quinn forever right, but she was just as comfortable not taking things to a very passionate level as he was. And then the one time he tried, she freaked out. And he made a point of saying that he could tell she didn't feel any great chemistry or attraction to him. Then there's the fact that the rumor about her and Trina was so upsetting to her, it was just another rumor, and pressumably she's subject to many of them, but this one really got under her skin (struck a nerve perhaps?), then there's the fact that she hates Trina so much in the first place (again could it be because she's envious of the way Trina's "out" and doing what she wants). Finally look at the fact that her NEW relationship with the guy after Quinn didn't last very long (perhaps he wasn't as comfortable as Quinn, regarding no passion). I dunno maybe I'm just reaching, but from the very beginning of the story I consistantly had the feeling that by the end of it Marrissa would turn out to be gay too. Of course maybe that's why I interpreted everything else that followed as further hints. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quite possible that Marissssa is a lesbian, but she still won't be fine with Quinn, I mean what if everyone finds out that she turned him gay, or they were just using each other as cover, thus confirming the lesbian rumor? What popular high school girl can survive that? :king: Snow Dog
Ann Posted July 23, 2005 Posted July 23, 2005 Marissa being a lesbian is a good theory. It could happen. The scenario just doesn
Masked Monkey Posted July 23, 2005 Posted July 23, 2005 What is a guy who is covering for a Lesbian? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wasting his time. :king: Snow Dog the Domaholic Danderthal P.S. that was a serious answer <Snow Dog looks up "serious" at dictionary.reference.com> oh, maybe not
carmichael Posted July 25, 2005 Posted July 25, 2005 Ok so I noticed someone saying that they thought Brad and Bree will be ok with Quinn being gay (which I'm inclined to agree with), but then it said "Marrissa won't be ok with Quinn being gay." Which may indeed be the case, but am actually the only one who kinda got the impression Marrissa might be a closet case herself?? Let me explain first of all she'd been dating Quinn forever right, but she was just as comfortable not taking things to a very passionate level as he was. And then the one time he tried, she freaked out. And he made a point of saying that he could tell she didn't feel any great chemistry or attraction to him. Then there's the fact that the rumor about her and Trina was so upsetting to her, it was just another rumor, and pressumably she's subject to many of them, but this one really got under her skin (struck a nerve perhaps?), then there's the fact that she hates Trina so much in the first place (again could it be because she's envious of the way Trina's "out" and doing what she wants). Finally look at the fact that her NEW relationship with the guy after Quinn didn't last very long (perhaps he wasn't as comfortable as Quinn, regarding no passion). I dunno maybe I'm just reaching, but from the very beginning of the story I consistantly had the feeling that by the end of it Marrissa would turn out to be gay too. Of course maybe that's why I interpreted everything else that followed as further hints. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Whoa, guys. Can I just say that this would be a hella crazy twist! I didn't even think of that -- wouldn't it be something? I want to say "good thinking" but don't know if it's appropriate. There may be one small problem, but this is just my opinion. I've always sensed that boys like Quinn (gay, but very unsure of their orientation and trying desperately to act and be straight) might try to do other things with girls at a time that is either too soon or not appropriate. Maybe Marissa sort of freaked out when he tried to do other things just because he was acting very frustrated with himself. Ya know? Maybe he was trying to force something to please and convince himself, and not her. And then, I actually think that Dom explained the situation in great detail, and I just don't remember reading it :wacko: . It was about 2-3 months ago. Or more. Oh, shucks. But whether it applies to the story or not, does anyone know what I mean?
Conner Posted July 25, 2005 Posted July 25, 2005 i sure hope he ends up being like a Ryan....i just cant hardly take it when best friends split up
BoyNeedsTherapy Posted July 25, 2005 Posted July 25, 2005 Brad will be ok with Quinn being gay,Bree will be ok with Quinn being gay, but Marissa won't be ok. Hmmm, Vic, are you turning into a cheerleader? That ^ and other comments (on the Haiku thread) lead me to this conclusion, lol. Do you have your own set of pom poms?
Masked Monkey Posted July 25, 2005 Posted July 25, 2005 Snow Dog - that was most profound. I can only say that such insight could not have been gleaned from the dark side. You must have been heavy into rainbow in a previous life. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All Dogs Go to Heaven, so it is a moot point. Loyalty and Honor are a linchpin for the Dark side. For me, Brad has come a log way since his infamous line to Quinn - which, of course, led to his horizontal positioning at the end of that scene. I don't have a problem that he needs a minute to digest what Quinn has told him. In fact, I'm disappointed that Quinn walked out without waiting for some kind of response from him. Brad has got to realize that it took a great deal of courage and trust on Quinn's part to come clean with him. That will mean something to him - he seems to value his reationship with Quinn a great deal. I believe that his personal views on homosexuality, even if 'negative', will take a back seat to his loyalty towards Quinn. Brad may well suffer some angst over his earlier statement to Quinn - he owes Quinn some kind of explanation there. [...] Brad was pleased when he learned that Quinn had broken up with Marissa - specifically because he could then spend more time with Quinn - but, alas, that's also consistent with him being Quinn's best friend. Hugs, Conner <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I realized the cliff that Dom set up, with Bree about to go all "Marissa" on Jude and Quinn is going to be resolved by Brad walking up and totally accepting Jude as Quinn's beau, totally taking the wind out of Bree's sail. That's the Brad I want, then he can start hanging out with Quinn and Jude, taking off the pressure to tell mom. :king: Snow Dog the Domaholic Danderthal
Cris L Posted July 26, 2005 Posted July 26, 2005 Like Brad fancies Quinn like mad and is f*cking jealous that Quinn is looking at another guy.... The it shoulda been me syndrome ! Can I quote myself ? It really seems that way to me.
Bardeara Posted July 27, 2005 Author Posted July 27, 2005 Like Brad fancies Quinn like mad and is f*cking jealous that Quinn is looking at another guy.... The it shoulda been me syndrome ! Can I quote myself ? It really seems that way to me. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't know about that, I mean lets be real for a second. His best friend, just came out to him which alone is a blow because he clearly didn't expect it. Which means he didn't think it was possable. Secondly, NOW he has walked in on his bestfriend making out with a guy. Quinn even commented, (at least I thought he did) that they bashed the idea about people being gay. Also, if you don't remember Quinn did state he practicly attacked him sexual once and that too has to be running through his brain. It is a lot for a teen to take in all at once. Quinn lucky he hasn't melted down yet, but then he has had some time to come to terms with it. Brad just got dumpped with it at the same day his mother nearly had the baby early. I think Chapter 16 will be a tell all kind of chapter. I think by that chapter you will know how the story will be ending. Mr. Luka did say he wasn't going to have TOU to be as long as TLW which means one thing. the story will begin to wrap up soon since the story is about Quinn coming to terms that he is Ordinary after all. Just a bit too much of a clean freak.
Rocketcnj Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 Like Brad fancies Quinn like mad and is f*cking jealous that Quinn is looking at another guy.... The it shoulda been me syndrome ! Can I quote myself ? It really seems that way to me. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't know about that, I mean lets be real for a second. His best friend, just came out to him which alone is a blow because he clearly didn't expect it. Which means he didn't think it was possable. Secondly, NOW he has walked in on his bestfriend making out with a guy. Quinn even commented, (at least I thought he did) that they bashed the idea about people being gay. Also, if you don't remember Quinn did state he practicly attacked him sexual once and that too has to be running through his brain. It is a lot for a teen to take in all at once. Quinn lucky he hasn't melted down yet, but then he has had some time to come to terms with it. Brad just got dumpped with it at the same day his mother nearly had the baby early. I think Chapter 16 will be a tell all kind of chapter. I think by that chapter you will know how the story will be ending. Mr. Luka did say he wasn't going to have TOU to be as long as TLW which means one thing. the story will begin to wrap up soon since the story is about Quinn coming to terms that he is Ordinary after all. Just a bit too much of a clean freak. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Bardeara...I feel you have it just about right...I really do believe (and at one point I didn't) thhat Brad has shown himself to be a great loving friend to Quinn and he will continue to be so. As you said, Quinn admitted that he and Brad, for lack of a better word, "gay bash"....Quinn to provide himself cover and Brad being the best bud str8 guy just as much trying to be macho with his best bud dude....(yuck, I sound breeder like there..yucko...LOL) and yeah, Quinn also said that when he and Brad were like 13 or so...well, Quinn, for lack of a better word, mauled Brad/attacked him when fresh newly discovered hormones coming into play. In any event, I am sure that Unka Dom, is on his way to wrapping up a coming out/coming of age story...as Sharon in very early on posts said, the story is about coming out process....Quinn is also growing as he comes out and in a sense is coming of age...its also, the coming out process and as Jude say for the first time family and friends that thought they knew you, and really didn't are now learning about you for the first time......and seeing you as a Gay person...or as Jude said that part of you...its well said.. and its about self acceptance and as Viv said loving whom we are and love is love and living in a society where we are proud of whom we are and being at peace with that and whom we chose to love..and it doesn't matter if we are Gay or str8....and a Gay or Lesbian loving another Gay or Lesbian is as natural as breathing as it is for a heterosexul.. so, I agree, I see the story on its wrapping up side....its also nice that Jude, who has been through, the coming out process, is there for Quinn, his boyfriend, who will be going through that process, after the "yep, I am Gay" revelations and coming out to family and friends.... and to that and they are a great yummy couple:) Michael
Masked Monkey Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 I think that for Quinn, the only way he can accept himself as gay is to come out to others. He gets so trapped and twisted in his mind that he has to order his physical world around him. His experience in life is that peace and tranquility do not come from within his mind, but with consitency in the physical world around him. In order for him to accept being gay, he has to translate that fact into the physical world. So for Quinn, coming out and coming to terms with being gay are really the same thing. :king: Snow Dog the Domaholic Danderthal
AFriendlyFace Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 I think you guys are right, this story does seem primarily to be about "coming out" and coming to terms with it. Also I do fear the story is wrapping up, but I'd still like to hope for another 10 chapters or so, so that we can really get a feel for how those closest to Quinn are reacting. And also because I'd love a little more time to see the Quinn/Judd relationship develop and continue. I mean we got to enjoy the Owen/Aiden relationship for like 20 chapters, and I know there is bound to be much less exposition after Quinn and Judd get together, but I'd still really enjoy seeing it take shape. (Judd always seemed much hotter than Aiden to me anyway). Besides there are still several things I'd like to see resolved. like: -The whole thing with Judd's parents -How his mom handles Quinn being gay, and then gay with a boyfriend -I also think a little more insight and development for Taylor and Trina would be good.
Masked Monkey Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 Who's this Judd you're talking about? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> LOL I personally keep getting Luke from DD and Jude from TOU mixed up. Too many "u's" and "e's", I guess. Have you noticed that Dom tends to give his characters similar names? (I think there are two people in different stories with the last name Leto.) Hmmm... I feel a haiku coming on. Kitty <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was looking at Luke and Jude from a dyslexic standpoint, and I think they are the same name (I always had trouble with "d" and "b"). :king: Snow Dog the Domaholic Danberthal
carmichael Posted August 20, 2005 Posted August 20, 2005 So, which is he? a Ryan or an Adam? Do we still need more time to decide? Does anyone have any predictions? It sort of seems to me like he's fine with Quinn as a person, but not really with his homosexuality quite yet. That sort of seems more like Adam, but I guess we really need to keep reading and find out.
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