MIllennium

[centexhairysub]

OMG...

 

I just had the greatest thought.... Two sets of fraternal twins with four different fathers.....

[methodwriter85]

Brad wore a condom.

 

If Robbie manages to procreate again, I think it's due to Mark needing to replenish the stock of Hayes boys,since he likes killing them off and all. That's why Mark came up with the idea of Matt Carrswold- some really astute observer pointed out to Mark that with Robbie never having biological kids and Marcel not wanting to have any, the Hayes line was looking to die out.

Edited November 5, 2010 by methodwriter85

[B1ue]

That can't be right. Doesn't Frank have several brothers and male cousins? Nate had kids, and Robbie was said to have several cousins. Jeff was said to have several cousins, now that I think about it. Lots of male Hayes, which Matt legally isn't, so can't even count. Regardless, the Hayes line is in no danger.

 

Intersting chapter though.

 

Indeed the three way was HOT! I think that it was amplified because of the history, love, and caring that the three shared. For me that puts this ahead of the kids' three way.

 

You took the words form my mouth. Also, Brad initiating the threesome is an act of proving himself to both Robbie and Jeanine, which is a nice touch.

[Ivy]

Baby speculation is so much fun!! I think it would be fun for Jeanine to get pregnant and have a little girl! After raising three boys and living in such a male dominated household it might be a nice change. And can you imagine how Brad and Robbie would dote on a baby girl. It would be cute to watch.

[methodwriter85]

That can't be right. Doesn't Frank have several brothers and male cousins? Nate had kids, and Robbie was said to have several cousins. Jeff was said to have several cousins, now that I think about it. Lots of male Hayes, which Matt legally isn't, so can't even count. Regardless, the Hayes line is in no danger.

 

Okay, maybe I should have edited that to say, "The Hayes line we actually care about". The Jeff Hayes and Frank Hayes line, I meant. That one was in danger. The one with the guys that were actually good, smart people. It doesn't sound like Frank got any grandchildren from his first two kids, or else he would have said something. Robbie didn't have bio kids, and Marcel, Jeff's only surviving son, isn't going to have them. Mark's figured Marcel isn't the type to like kids, and I had to agree with him on that. So the Jeff Hayes lines ends with Marcel, but at least the Frank Hayes line continues with Matt Carrswold.

 

*shrugs* Mark bought into the idea of the endangered Hayes family line. That's why he created Matt. And aren't we all glad he did? Matt's easily the best character to come along since Brad.

Edited November 6, 2010 by methodwriter85

[Mark Arbour]

Brad wore a condom.

 

If Robbie manages to procreate again, I think it's due to Mark needing to replenish the stock of Hayes boys,since he likes killing them off and all. That's why Mark came up with the idea of Matt Carrswold- some really astute observer pointed out to Mark that with Robbie never having biological kids and Marcel not wanting to have any, the Hayes line was looking to die out.

 

Brad didn't wear a condom both times.

[KYE]

Brad wore a condom.

 

 

You need to re-read the chapter.

 

With all the conversation here about kids, twins, condoms, etc.. (and even though I dislike reading Hetero sex stories and had skipped over the details of that part of the chapter), I went back and read that part.

 

Brad used a condom with Robbie and pulled it off when he became a breeder in the chapter.

 

" I pulled out of him and ripped off the condom. He rolled off of Jeanine and smiled at me, as if to say 'your turn'. I didn't need any encouragement. I lined my dick up with her soaking wet pussy and pushed in, remembering the last time I'd done this and how good it felt then, as good as it felt now. Her eyed bulged as I plunged in and out of her. "............

 

"Then I came. For some reason, being with the two of them, and being the focus of their attention, just set me off. I yelled, roared, as I blew my load into her ."

 

Then in round 2 there was also no condom for the breeding session:

 

Brad in breeding session round #2:

 

"She lay on top of Robbie, hugging him, while I pushed into her. She wasn't expecting that, but she got into it fast enough. It didn't take either one of us long to cum after the intensely erotic experience of giving Robbie that orgasm. I blasted my second load into her,"

 

So he used a condom for Robbie but not for her, scratching my head on that one. She got breeded 4 times that night, twice by Robbie and twice by Brad so that is high odds for creation.

 

Also noted the bragging of Darius of his female conquests, that Brad walked in on, and Darius said lesson to learn was to use a condom. So did he use one? So will we have 3 pregnancies to deal with in the future? Another situation like the early Claire and Jack incident and abortion.

 

How will Triffany deal with Jeanine cheating on her without her ok? Triffany cheated with a reluctant (pissed) Jeanine's ok for the purpose of being breeded. Jeanine did not have the same goal as Triffany for cheating nor her ok. Plus Brad and Robbie live with Jeanine in the same house and see's them almost daily. Will Triffany see them now as a treat to her relationship? Matt and Wade live at Escorial and are only occasional visitors, therefore not such a threat to the relationship. What if Jeanine does get pregnant and Triffany does not? What if a pissed off and pregnant Triffany leaves to have the baby (babies) on her own?

 

Very little is known about Triffany. What if she is part of the same plot by Omega that was over looked? Remember Matt was Brian's #1 enemy. What better way than to have his child with no agreements in place to protect Matt?

 

Well only Mark knows at this point !!!! Maybe we will have a full lesbian story in the future (personally hope not).

 

I am glad that Brad's and Robbie's love has grown stronger because with allowing others to be apart of their most intimate connection (fisting) with unprotected sex with others thrown into that session, and now straight sex, it looks like they sure need that strong love now more than ever.

 

Hopefully we will get back to the Gay stuff soon.

Edited November 6, 2010 by KYE

[Caedus]

Why did Brad use a condom in the first place with Robbie? I thought it was because of his unprotected orgy with Kevin and Cody, which he kinda freaked out about since Brad has no idea if Kevin uses protection with all his sex partners. Yet Brad was willing to have unprotected sex with Jeanine.

 

I get that it's in the Robbie and Brad were in the "heat of the moment" but its really not cool that they took a risk with Jeanine, who could off caught something because of their mistake. Maybe I'm being to serious about this but you here of situations where guys, whether their DL, in the closet, cheating, bisexual, bi-curious, etc., have unprotected gay sex, then come back and have sex with women and the woman unknowingly catches something because the guy wasn't responsible. I doubt something will come out of this and I'm over reacting, but it's really annoying when some guys don't respect their partner enough to protect them and end up making them suffer because of their own foolish decisions!

 

/rant

[KYE]

I get that it's in the Robbie and Brad were in the "heat of the moment" but its really not cool that they took a risk with Jeanine, who could off caught something because of their mistake. Maybe I'm being to serious about this but you here of situations where guys, whether their DL, in the closet, cheating, bisexual, bi-curious, etc., have unprotected gay sex, then come back and have sex with women and the woman unknowingly catches something because the guy wasn't responsible. I doubt something will come out of this and I'm over reacting, but it's really annoying when some guys don't respect their partner enough to protect them and end up making them suffer because of their own foolish decisions!

 

/rant

 

The episode of unprotected sex with Kevin and Cody also involved party drugs furnished by Cody. It is a known fact that the combination of party drugs and sex often lead to unprotected sex. Just as it did this time. Cody is part of the Hollywood party scene of sex and drugs and he would be considered a high risk in anyone's book. With 1 in 6 gay males in the USA believed to be HIV positive, and the multiple "slip-ups" all these guys keep on having "in the heat of the moment", it is hard to believe that in the real world that some of them would not be positive by now or soon. I can agree with your "rant".

 

If Brad and/or Robbie became positive due to Robbie's original decision to end his and Brad's monogamous relationship, I think it would be hard for Robbie to deal with. Even with present drugs and long lifes by HIV positive persons today, I think Robbie would have a hard time not feeling guilty and responsible. A pregnant and HIV positive Triffany or Jeanine would definitely add drama to future storylines. Would the baby also be positive?

Edited November 6, 2010 by KYE

[KYE]

deleted, sorry double post. oops :wacko:

Edited November 6, 2010 by KYE

[Caedus]

The episode of unprotected sex with Kevin and Cody also involved party drugs furnished by Cody. It is a known fact that the combination of party drugs and sex often lead to unprotected sex. Just as it did this time. Cody is part of the Hollywood party scene of sex and drugs and he would be considered a high risk in anyone's book. With 1 in 6 gay males in the USA believed to be HIV positive, and the multiple "slip-ups" all these guys keep on having "in the heat of the moment", it is hard to believe that in the real world that some of them would not be positive by now or soon. I can agree with your "rant".

 

If Brad and/or Robbie became positive due to Robbie's original decision to end his and Brad's monogamous relationship, I think it would be hard for Robbie to deal with. Even with present drugs and long lifes by HIV positive persons today, I think Robbie would have a hard time not feeling guilty and responsible. A pregnant and HIV positive Triffany or Jeanine would definitely add drama to future storylines. Would the baby also be positive?

 

 

I doubt it'll come down to all that with Tiffany and Jeanine, but this situation was annoying to me because it can fuel opponents of gay sex who say all that crap about how all gay people are sexual deviants and are cesspools for diseases, etc.

 

Edited November 6, 2010 by Caedus

[methodwriter85]

I really, sincerely doubt that Mark is going to bring AIDS into the storyline again. He already went there with Man in Motion. We're more likely to see that next phase of the gay experience- gay marriage and same-sex parenting. Cody's representative of the 90s gay circuit boi tweaker- something that is going to become passe as the decade changes. We're seeing two waves of the future in this story. We've got Tim and Max, the two men who seem destined to settle into a family. And we've got Will, a guy representative of the fact that gay kids are coming out at younger and younger ages.

Edited November 6, 2010 by methodwriter85

[KYE]

I really, sincerely doubt that Mark is going to bring AIDS into the storyline again. He already went there with Man in Motion.

It would definitely add a damper to many of the sex scenes. But the chance of becoming HIV positive with all of these "in the moment slip-ups" should not be ignored. Also, Mark should know that this has not gone unnoticed by this loyal readers and fans

Edited November 6, 2010 by KYE

[gjtravel2a]

With all due respect, Mark writes well written and responsible stories that are, quite happily hot...the caution is that these are not suppose to be public service announcements. I think the stories work on historically accurate settings that are also indicative of the 'historical mood'. In realistic terms, presenting every sex scene as totally 'responsible safe sex' would not be truthful to the times or peoples lives.....

 

 

[methodwriter85]

With all due respect, Mark writes well written and responsible stories that are, quite happily hot...the caution is that these are not suppose to be public service announcements. I think the stories work on historically accurate settings that are also indicative of the 'historical mood'. In realistic terms, presenting every sex scene as totally 'responsible safe sex' would not be truthful to the times or peoples lives.....

 

 

 

Agreed. And again, Mark killed off at least six characters with AIDS in 1985-1986, which was the high-water mark of the AIDS crisis. He had consultations with guys who were there, and remember 1985-1986 as the time they attended the most funerals. Mark did that because you can't cover the gay experience in the 1980's without bringing up AIDS. The gay historical mood of the 80's was the AIDS crisis. By the time we got to the late '90s/early '00s, AIDS was no longer the main focus of the gay experience as less people started dying from it. It started shifting more towards fighting for gay adoptions and gay marriages. The gay historical mood of the 2000's was less about AIDS and more having kids and trying to get married. The story's reflecting that.Yes, Cody and the behavior of the guys aren't that responsible. Matt even had an AIDS scare in Bloodlines. But I just don't see the point in Mark going there- he's already made the point before. Compare the story before Be Rad, where no one even THOUGHT to use condoms.

 

Having Tiffany and Jeanine end up with AIDS would be way too dark for Mark to go there, and I flat-out don't think he would do that.

[Tiger]

Even today, there are people who practice sex without condoms with multiple partners. Stories are meant to reflect at least somewhat upon reality, whether you like the truth or not. Do I think it's okay to bareback with more than one partner? f**k no! It's downright stupid. However, other people do it anyway, because it feels good. The consequences be damned. Mark's stories reflect this quite well.

[Caedus]

@Tiger: Those are more or less my sentiments as well.

 

Moving on, I wonder if Tiffany will be too pissed about Christmas eve. Does Jeanine's actions count as cheating? Are they even exclusive?

[Tiger]

@Tiger: Those are more or less my sentiments as well.

 

Moving on, I wonder if Tiffany will be too pissed about Christmas eve. Does Jeanine's actions count as cheating? Are they even exclusive?

 

Tiffany doesn't have a leg to stand on. She was busy boinking Matt and Wade, so she'll just have to bite the bullet. She's the one who unilaterally decided to sleep with Matt and Wade in order to get pregnant, and she must deal with the consequences.

[Caedus]

But Jeanine gave her consent, even if she was put in a corner. Jeanine never asked for permission to have sex with Brad and Robbie, which technically violates whatever implied/ explicit agreement they have for their relationship.

 

I'm surprised Tiffany is like this at all. In Blooodlines she seemed to stuck up and serious to make be making such rash decisions. I guess a new perspective changes things. How old is she anyways?

Edited November 6, 2010 by Caedus

[methodwriter85]

My guess would be that she's about 25 or 26.Old enough to want kids, but young enough that she never really registered in Matt's mind as an "older lady". I thought Mark was playing Tiffany as being a 19-year old college student along with Matt and Wade, but generally, 19-year old college girls aren't trying to have kids. Especially if Tiffany were still young enough that she might have still had a shot with trying to go pro as a figure skater. Tiffany is likely someone who was good, but never good enough to get to the Olympics, and quit when she hit her mid-20's and became a coach. Mark never really specificed Tiffany's (or Triffany's *wink at KYE*) age in Bloodlines, so he can get away with making her a bit older than I would have thought he would. She's definitely got to be old enough at this point that she's stopped trying to go pro, or else she wouldn't even think about having a kid. Figure skaters are VERY body concious, and anything that could drastically change a person's body is avoided at all costs, and that includes pregnancy. It's why eating disorders are so high in sports like figure skating or gymnastics.

 

JJ, at 14, could get extremely screwed over if he manages to hit a growth spurt before 2002, or if he grows in between 2002 to 2006. It's generally why you don't see that many 16-year old guys in the Olympics for figure skating- too many of them are having to adjust to growth spurts. Because girls generally quit growing around the time they are 14 or 15, you see more of them there. It would be interesting to see how JJ would deal with a growth spurt- he'd likely do something called "controlled eating".

 

When this initially happened, I really didn't agree with Mark doing this because I don't think Matt and Wade are remotely ready to have kids yet, but it's not like they're actually going to have any hand in raising them. I'm guessing Matt will go back to Tiffany to use as a surrogate when he's ready to settle down with a husband and kids, like around 2007 or so.

 

As for Jeanine getting pregnant...man. I hope not. I can't see Brad and Robbie trying to raise kids all the way to 2018. LOL.

Edited November 6, 2010 by methodwriter85

[Caedus]

JJ, at 14, could get extremely screwed over if he manages to hit a growth spurt before 2002, or if he grows in between 2002 to 2006. It's generally why you don't see that many 16-year old guys in the Olympics for figure skating- too many of them are having to adjust to growth spurts. Because girls generally quit growing around the time they are 14 or 15, you see more of them there. It would be interesting to see how JJ would deal with a growth spurt- he'd likely do something called "controlled eating".

 

That really sucks. From what Jeanine tells Brad and Robbie, his height must be a source of angst for him. It's almost ironic that JJ's height could end up ruining his dreams instead of making him happier.

 

Just an aside, but isn't it odd that Will at 13 and Darius at 17(?) have already had sex, but JJ hasn't? Is it just him being in the shadow of his siblings, him not being very social with few friends, or something else?

Edited November 6, 2010 by Caedus

[B1ue]

Some of A, some of B, and a heaping dash of "everyone sort of assumes he's gay."

 

I don't think Tiffany will be thrilled to know Jeanine got lucky, rational or not. She might not say anything to Jeanine, and is likely bright enough not to get into it with Brad, but Robbie is everyone's favorite target, right? Even more so if he knocks her up.

[Mark Arbour]

With all due respect, Mark writes well written and responsible stories that are, quite happily hot...the caution is that these are not suppose to be public service announcements. I think the stories work on historically accurate settings that are also indicative of the 'historical mood'. In realistic terms, presenting every sex scene as totally 'responsible safe sex' would not be truthful to the times or peoples lives.....

 

 

 

 

Even today, there are people who practice sex without condoms with multiple partners. Stories are meant to reflect at least somewhat upon reality, whether you like the truth or not. Do I think it's okay to bareback with more than one partner? f**k no! It's downright stupid. However, other people do it anyway, because it feels good. The consequences be damned. Mark's stories reflect this quite well.

 

You guys are both right, in that people don't always practice safe sex. When I think about some of the more outrageous things that happen in this saga, that scrape the limits of believability at times, none of them would come close to the unbelievability of these guys having safe sex all the time. I just don't think it would happen.

 

 

That really sucks. From what Jeanine tells Brad and Robbie, his height must be a source of angst for him. It's almost ironic that JJ's height could end up ruining his dreams instead of making him happier.

 

Just an aside, but isn't it odd that Will at 13 and Darius at 17(?) have already had sex, but JJ hasn't? Is it just him being in the shadow of his siblings, him not being very social with few friends, or something else?

 

Maybe he has? We just don't know.

[methodwriter85]

Just an aside, but isn't it odd that Will at 13 and Darius at 17(?) have already had sex, but JJ hasn't? Is it just him being in the shadow of his siblings, him not being very social with few friends, or something else?

 

Dude, it's not odd for a 14-year old to not be having sex yet. It happens at different times for everyone. I had friends who started having sex at 12. I had others that remained virgins all through high school. I myself didn't have oral sex until I was 15, and I was technically a virgin until I was 21. You've also got to remember that JJ is busy all the time with skating, and he's focused more on that than having a sex life just yet. I'd actually be surprised if JJ WAS dating, because of how time-consuming skating is. And JJ has so far been written as a late bloomer- he's a 14-year old who looks like he's about 11, while Will is 13 and looks old enough that a high school guy would be interested in him. The people who bloom first are usually always the ones who get sexually active first.

 

Remember, JJ and Will are in middle school. Middle school. Are we really going to be rooting on middle school children to have active sex lives, or acting like it's unrealistic/odd for a middle school kid to be a virgin? They can't even drive yet. Just a few years ago, they were playing with stuff animals and Pogs. Sex in middle school happens, but I'm not exactly going to nag Mark into depicting 7th grade kids with healthy sexual appetites and encounters.

 

I'm sure that when JJ gets to the '06 Olympics, he'll be in one non-stop orgy. Mark's going to like writing the Olympics, I think. From what I understood, the Olympic Village is basically like Soddom and Gommorah.

 

I had a friend who was short all of his life until he had a growth spurt at 20 where he put on 5 inches of height and 20 pounds, so it could be interesting if that happened to JJ. Mark's been molding two great future protagonists in JJ and Will, I think.

Edited November 7, 2010 by methodwriter85

[methodwriter85]

Okay, Cadeus, so I consulted a figure skating person about JJ and how his dating/sex life would be affected as he navigates adolescence.

 

Her general points were this:

 

1. American figure skaters are "strongly encouraged" to adhere to "family friendly" lifestyles. The figure skating federation for Americans apparently gets pretty nasty about that. The way she put it, it's best for American figure skaters to act as they don't even know what sex is. I'm sure that's even more true for someone who's only 14. If JJ got the image of being a "bad boy" who engaged in pre-marital sex, he could risk losing invitations to tours and sponsorships.

 

2. Most figure skaters stay single throughout their career, because of the constant training and traveling around.

 

3. There are parties held by the International Skating Union where the figure skaters get to whore around and unlease their sexual tensions. It's basically total bacchanalia. But American figure skaters rarely show up to these, because again, they can't risk tarnishing their image.

 

4. Relationships among figure skaters do happen, but it's only rarely talked about, and only after they've been married or engaged because you don't want to hint that you're having pre-marital sex. Skater+coach can happen, but not very often. Skater+fan happens a lot more often, but only if the skater is not under the boot of the USFSA.

 

So her bottom line was that JJ must absolutely maintain secrecy about what he does, whether it's with men or even with women. Also that he's more likely to have have one-night stand type encounters, because figure skating doesn't lend itself to long-term relationships.

 

So JJ might have sex, but publically, he wouldn't admit to it because he's got to maintain a pristine image. I could see that actually becoming a source of tension between JJ and Will as they grow up- JJ being jealous of Will's ability to do whatever he wants because of the relaxed rules of pro surfing, while JJ has to be the Marcia f**king Brady of the Malibu Colony. (Points if you know what period movie I'm referencing there.)

Edited November 7, 2010 by methodwriter85