Mark Arbour Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 So as I plan ahead and think of future stories, I thought I'd give you guys the opportunity to give me some feedback. What age do you think it would be appropriate for WIll to f**k (anally penetrate) another guy? And at what age should Will be anally penetrated by another guy?
methodwriter85 Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 (edited) I'd say 16. You can drive then, you know what's going on, and you're halfway through high school at that point. I don't think 14, 15 year old kids are ready to go all the way. I think he should keep it to stuff like frottage, maybe oral, at this point. I did not think this would be a topic when we were only in 2000 in CAP land. I thought this wouldn't get brought up until Will was at least 16. If Will loses his virginity now, you won't be able to have that as a plot point when we get to Will fully narrating a story; I'm assuming during either his junior or senior year of high school. He's already out of the closet so you can't use that...I'd try and save at least some material for him. Edited March 21, 2011 by methodwriter85
paya Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 It also depends on with whom... because couplings like 18/14 are not very popular here... and we don't want some perve to... ewww :wacko:
Tiger Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 16 sounds good to me. I think he should be with Gathan.
mmike1969 Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 well I am glad Will did NOT have revenge sex like everyone else in this family...
Mari Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 (edited) no revenge sex? that's my fav. part! Seriously though, I think most kids are like 15/16 ish when they first have sex unless they have morals Then they wait until they're married. I don't know anyone with morals, so I guess that's the best I can do for you Edited March 21, 2011 by Mari
Mark Arbour Posted March 21, 2011 Author Posted March 21, 2011 I'd say 16. You can drive then, you know what's going on, and you're halfway through high school at that point. I don't think 14, 15 year old kids are ready to go all the way. I think he should keep it to stuff like frottage, maybe oral, at this point. I did not think this would be a topic when we were only in 2000 in CAP land. I thought this wouldn't get brought up until Will was at least 16. If Will loses his virginity now, you won't be able to have that as a plot point when we get to Will fully narrating a story; I'm assuming during either his junior or senior year of high school. He's already out of the closet so you can't use that...I'd try and save at least some material for him. You're assuming I don't think a couple of stories ahead? It also depends on with whom... because couplings like 18/14 are not very popular here... and we don't want some perve to... ewww :wacko: 16 sounds good to me. I think he should be with Gathan. I've been told that I'm not allowed to give Will his own Hayes boy. well I am glad Will did NOT have revenge sex like everyone else in this family... Who says he won't have revenge sex?:king:
Ivy Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 I said 16/17. I know kids have sex younger and younger, but I know kids that are 14-15-16 and I just can't see them in that situation. The ones I know are just really immature and sooooo not ready for that. Yeah, Will is mature for his age, but let's let him experiment with other things for a while. 1
centexhairysub Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 Okay, these polls are getting harder because they are asking questions before we really have enough information... I went ahead and voted although I could see myself changing my mind. I am going to say 14 to both questions. I think the main reason that I am going to say that is I have decided in my feeble mind that Will and John should be together for a while, at least until Will goes off to college. They need to repair the break in their current friendship so that can happen, I know this will take some time because Will is really hurt but I think within the next six months to a year they should be able to resolve this among themselves or with a little help. I thought about saying 15 years old but I don't think Mark can let the gulf between Will and John go on that long, it will soon begin to have a ripple effect among the rest of the family. I guess I could go along with 15 if they repaired the friendship and then decided to wait a year until their friendship turned into more of a relationship but at that age every need and desire is so immediate that I am not sure that would work. Plus, and I know this is sort of cliched but John is already f**king and my personal history says that once that genie is out of the bottle, sort of hard to stop and put it back in.
methodwriter85 Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 (edited) You're assuming I don't think a couple of stories ahead? True. I've been assuming that 2003 is the story after 9/11. Because I know you won't force me to score three stories crammed into a two-year period again, right? We're going to skip over a boring year like 2002, right?*hopeful face* I've been told that I'm not allowed to give Will his own Hayes boy. Hey, if you want to go the incredibly orginal route of having the Schluter boy fall for the troubled Hayes jock, by all means... Although since this one was actually raised by a Hayes, I guess that makes it different. Cent, I get your reasoning. I can deal with him going all the way only if it's with John. If it's with Gathan and he's still under 15, I'll be pissed. If they do go all the way at fourteen, I just hope it's more implied and not explicitly shown. Edited March 21, 2011 by methodwriter85
B1ue Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 I also went with 14 for both. He's going to be meeting gay men and boys his own age. He's out to his family and will probably start coming out to his friends, as well as Darius and JJ's friends. I don't think he'll be in any kind of realtionship with John, now. He'll probably be angry for a while, and they're long distance anyways. Real easy to avoid one another if they want to.
methodwriter85 Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 I'd prefer 16, but you're right, it's not unrealistic for him to start having sex at fourteen, especially considering that he's out of the closet and likely going to the GSA. JJ's gotta remain a virgin for awhile. But I can see why Will wouldn't. With John, I see things as a crush and flirtation that kinda fizzles into a frienship when they get towards the end of high school. You bring up a good point about the distance, plus there's also the fact that Will goes off to college before John does.
centexhairysub Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 I'd prefer 16, but you're right, it's not unrealistic for him to start having sex at fourteen, especially considering that he's out of the closet and likely going to the GSA. JJ's gotta remain a virgin for awhile. But I can see why Will wouldn't. With John, I see things as a crush and flirtation that kinda fizzles into a frienship when they get towards the end of high school. You bring up a good point about the distance, plus there's also the fact that Will goes off to college before John does. I understand both yours and Blue's feelings about the distance but it isn't like one family member or another is back and forth on a weekly basis via private plane so it would be easy to see each other quite a bit... I do think it will take Will some time to get over the hurt he feels but it is something that could be done. I just think a relationship between the John and Will until Will goes off to college would benefit both boys. They could enjoy a good sex life with each other and not be sluts like some other members of the family..LOL. 0:) Plus, and I know I am a total perv for this; the idea of Jack's son John and Brad's son Will going at it like animals is totally hot to me.... Long delayed gratification...LOL.. . :devil: I also agree that I don't need to have a detailed sex scene between the Will and John, something blury and undefined would work for me...
methodwriter85 Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 (edited) I understand both yours and Blue's feelings about the distance but it isn't like one family member or another is back and forth on a weekly basis via private plane so it would be easy to see each other quite a bit... But we're talking high school kids. (Well, middle school in John's case.) At that age, you generally want to date someone that you can eat lunch with in the cafe, take classes with, and hold hands with as you walk down the hallway. Weekly visits wouldn't be enough to sustain an actual high school relationship, because of all the closeness and loyalty that teenagers demand out of their relationships, be it platonic or romantic. I mean, I knew kids who dated guys that went to nearby schools, but key- nearby. I do think it will take Will some time to get over the hurt he feels but it is something that could be done. I just think a relationship between the John and Will until Will goes off to college would benefit both boys. They could enjoy a good sex life with each other and not be sluts like some other members of the family..LOL. 0:) It could work, but I can't see anything deep happening here because of the distance. More "cousins who mess around and are good friends", and less "deep, soulmates joined together ala Matt and Andy in Adam Phillips' Cross-Currents." Plus, and I know I am a total perv for this; the idea of Jack's son John and Brad's son Will going at it like animals is totally hot to me.... Long delayed gratification...LOL.. . :devil: Well, considering that Will looks like this... And John looks like this.... I don't blame you! (But they're at least 17 in my mind.) Not to toot my own horn, but I did a damn good job fining someone who looks like they could be Brad's son, didn't I? LOL. (Okay, so his eyes need to be green, but other than that, Sean Farris works nicely.) Edited March 21, 2011 by methodwriter85
B1ue Posted March 21, 2011 Posted March 21, 2011 While I did mean that distance would make the relationship more difficult, I also meant that, if Will and John wanted to stay angry at each other (which looks less likely, thanks to Gathan's meddling), they could use that distance as an excuse to not see one another. It's pretty difficult to stay pissed at someone that you see every day. Eventually, you simply have better things to do than remind that certain someone they're the scum of the earth. But at a distance, it's easy to just say the hell with someone and try to never talk with them again.
TheStoryReader Posted March 28, 2011 Posted March 28, 2011 A kid with his kind of self-confidence, growing up in that sex-over-charged enviroment, I say 14. Let him get in over his head and make his way back out again, it's something we have not seen yet (from someone so young). 1
Mark Arbour Posted March 29, 2011 Author Posted March 29, 2011 The results are not what I had anticipated. At this point, the majority of you want Will to start f**king around NOW.
methodwriter85 Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 (edited) I think it's because for the most part, Will seems mature enough to handle having sex. Although how he handles the emotions that come with it still remains to be seen. As long as it's with someone within a year of his age, I'm generally fine with it. I don't see him as a love 'em and leave 'em type. He comes off more as someone who really wants a steady boyfriend, and I suppose it'll be John. Gathan won't work not just because of the age, but because he's in college and that is completely different life stage. I don't see Gathan in any way being able to handle a steady relationship. I could see Will being able to do that, though. John could probably handle that as long as he was kept on a short leash. Edited March 29, 2011 by methodwriter85
TheStoryReader Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 I would also point out that there would be much less of a conversation about this if Will were straight. Growing up in the wealthy, hedonistic, permissive environment that he is; there would be no great reaction to a fourteen year old having sex, even if the girl were a few years older than he. Keep in mind that the story is set in the time of 2LiveCrew and the Miami Sound, a time in which I remember being a teenager in California, which was a lot more openly sexual than it is (oddly enough) for teens now. It was a weird time when sex and drugs (especially cocaine) were this big open secret that everyone was doing and then pretending not to. Things are actually a lot more calm (and safe) now than they were in the early nineties.
methodwriter85 Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 (edited) Huh? This is 2000, not 1990. Will's part of that generation of kids where the parents started to getting much more overprotective, that whole "Trophy Kid" generation. The kids of the late 90's and the 2000's are wholly scheduled with activities and high expectations. College gets much harder to get into, so that's one part of it, but it's also that Baby Boomer parents were determined to be much more caring parents than theirs were. I wouldn't call Brad a helicopter parent, but Will's bound to be friends with people that have them. Edited March 29, 2011 by methodwriter85
KYE Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 (edited) The results are not what I had anticipated. At this point, the majority of you want Will to start f**king around NOW. Well it depends on how you read your poll. Looks to me that the majority thinks he should be AT LEAST 16, combined 16, 17, 18,19 is actually the majority of votes. Edited March 29, 2011 by KYE
B1ue Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 By my count, 14, 15, and 16 comprise a higher number of votes than 16, 17, and 18. (12 vs 10 and 11 vs 10). You have a stronger argument if you go two years. There, 16+17 is a majority for Will bottoming, by 1 vote over the next runner up of 14+15. Of course, 15+16 is also seven votes there. And it doesn't have a majority over Will's first topping, in which case 14+15 ties for first (again, 16+17). Or, we can say that 16+17+18+19 is a clear majority over 14+15 in both catagories. 15+16+17+18+19 doesn't add much, but 14's stance all by itself looks grim, despite it being the popular vote for Will's first time as a top. Isn't statistical manipulatiuon fun?
centexhairysub Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 Well it depends on how you read your poll. Looks to me that the majority thinks he should be AT LEAST 16, combined 16, 17, 18 is actually the majority of votes. Well, using that logic, you could say more honestly that the vast majority says 14, 15, or 16... I think Will is mature enough to handle sex with the right person, John, now... With just some stranger, I would want him to wait a little longer... I think that with the family support he would have, he would be okay... By my count, 14, 15, and 16 comprise a higher number of votes than 16, 17, and 18. (12 vs 10 and 11 vs 10) Ditto, on how I was looking at the poll...
methodwriter85 Posted March 29, 2011 Posted March 29, 2011 So maybe the compromise is 15? Will can lose his virginity at the same time as 9/11. THAT could be interesting. Near-death experience getting him to get it on.
Mark Arbour Posted March 29, 2011 Author Posted March 29, 2011 What is very clear is that those who voted think he should be older to bottom than to top. I'm wondering if this isn't a psychological gender residual from the attitude that it's OK for men to f**k around (top), but not for girls (bottom)?
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