Joe Paterno Resigns

[methodwriter85]

The Penn State Coach is planning to resign at the end of the season amid the child abuse sex scandal.

 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/joe-paterno-penn-state-president-graham-spanier-sex/story?id=14913848

 

It's amazing to see Penn State melting down like this. This is making what happened with USC look like a tea party.

[TetRefine]

Good. He simply washed his hands of this problem by giving the dirt to the next guy up the ladder. He deserves to go down in flames like this.

[Krista]

He was probably going to retire anyway, two sub-par seasons and lingering health issues. It is sad that he didn't take the initiative and the real victims were left with out a real and honest voice...

[JamesSavik]

Universities are bureaucracies and bureaucracies have very specific ways of doing thing. They are rigid hierarchies and if you step outside that structure, you lose each and every time. Joe Paterno in his role of football coach was not even authorized to have a press conference without running it up the chain.

 

People seem to think that he was the boss in this situation but it's just not the case. Although Coaches can have a great deal of influence, they are subordinate to the universities administration. Had he gone off half cocked and gone to the press, he would have done so as an individual that was not speaking for the University. Unsanctioned comments and statements have gotten more than a few coaches fired. (Ask Mike Lynch, former very successful coach at Texas Tech).

 

Now- let's have a look at law enforcement:

 

Ray Gricar was the district attorney that was first contacted about this case. He looked into what he had in 1998 and declined to prosecute. However- he did not dismiss Sandusky as a potential predator. He began seriously investigating Sandusky again in 2002 until he mysteriously vanished in 2005. That's what is being lost in this. There were powerful interests around the Penn States football program that had both National Championships and was called "Linebacker U" by professional pundits. This cover up had enough power and reach to make a district attorney disappear.

 

There is much more going on here than meets the eye. I hope that the investigation is through and deep enough get at the truth and not just a few sacrificial individuals thrown under the bus.

[PrivateTim]

The Penn State Coach is planning to resign at the end of the season amid the child abuse sex scandal.

 

http://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=14913848

 

It's amazing to see Penn State melting down like this. This is making what happened with USC look like a tea party.

 

To be precise, he announced his retirement.

 

What will be interesting is what, if anything the NCAA does.

[TetRefine]

To be precise, he announced his retirement.

 

What will be interesting is what, if anything the NCAA does.

 

Given the NCAA's track record of disciplining, it probably won't do much if anything, considering PennState is one of the "untouchables".

Edited November 10, 2011 by TetRefine

[Pete Bruno]

Universities are bureaucracies and bureaucracies have very specific ways of doing thing. They are rigid hierarchies and if you step outside that structure, you lose each and every time. Joe Paterno in his role of football coach was not even authorized to have a press conference without running it up the chain.

 

Sorry, you may be correct when speaking of Universities in general, but in Happy Valley there was no one more powerful than JoePa. There also was nothing that went on there that did not carry his impermatter, the man is an egomaniac who put his own legacy and football program before the safety of a ten year old child. Now I will add that I always believed that many of the men who accused priests of abuse did it for the money, it was my opinion that at fourteen you new right from wrong. But a ten year old is a different story. Consider the story of Rene Portland, she was the women's basketball coach who was charged with harassing women players who she thought were lesbians. There was a lot of evidence against her, but once JoePa said he stood behind her the Uni backed off, although she ultimately resigned. I mention this only to illustrate Paterno's power. This proves to me that that heaven and hell are really here on earth. This man was a legend, he was destined to be remembered and revered for years to come, but his ego and hubris, along with choosing not to do the right thing leaves him retiring in well deserved disgrace.

 

People seem to think that he was the boss in this situation but it's just not the case. Although Coaches can have a great deal of influence, they are subordinate to the universities administration. Had he gone off half cocked and gone to the press, he would have done so as an individual that was not speaking for the University. Unsanctioned comments and statements have gotten more than a few coaches fired. (Ask Mike Lynch, former very successful coach at Texas Tech).

 

Now- let's have a look at law enforcement:

 

Ray Gricar was the district attorney that was first contacted about this case. He looked into what he had in 1998 and declined to prosecute. However- he did not dismiss Sandusky as a potential predator. He began seriously investigating Sandusky again in 2002 until he mysteriously vanished in 2005. That's what is being lost in this. There were powerful interests around the Penn States football program that had both National Championships and was called "Linebacker U" by professional pundits. This cover up had enough power and reach to make a district attorney disappear.

 

There is much more going on here than meets the eye. I hope that the investigation is through and deep enough get at the truth and not just a few sacrificial individuals thrown under the bus.

 

Edited November 10, 2011 by Pete Bruno

[NightOwl88]

The man shouldn't be retiring at the end of the season, he should be leaving NOW, as in packing his his office up and heading for dodge.

 

I understand the politics, I understand the power, but what I don't understand is how a community at LARGE can stand for this. I realize that this only recently came into the media but the lack of public response is staggering.

 

Where is the outrage, where is the anger, where is the justice and the common freakin sense? I don't know and frankly don't care if he knew about the other times but he knew about one, and he did NOTHING of consequence. You hear people on the news DEFENDING his actions, saying that he 'followed established protocol and reported it to his higher ups', thats not enough; no where NEAR enough.

 

That man is just as guilty for what those boys went through as the rapist himself. He shouldn't be given the option of resigning, he should be fired and then arrested. If they can charge a six year old boy with sexual harrasment for kissing a six year old girl on the cheek then there has to be some bass ackwards law out there that allows him to be tried as an accessory or obstruction or something.

 

In parting think on this, what kind of society are we leaving in when we place sports *legends* above abused children.

[Gene Splicer PHD]

Dude knew what Sandusky was up to and ignored it. I don't care where you are in the chain, that's not right.

 

Bye joe!

[W_L]

James, I get that it's complicated and the hierarchy sucks, but people have to take initiative. You can't let a monster lose in the world even if it is not politically convenient to do something about it.

 

If Joe wanted to do the right thing, he could've laid the case in front and center, removed the guy, and asked for discretion from the authorities privately and with discretion. A five minute news blip is better than a several weeks of talking heads, your other team's leadership being decimated, an entire career washed away, and the untold victims that this man had molested over the years.

 

"All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing"

 

As for the possibility of a cover up, if there was a criminal conspiracy to hide child abuse at Penn state, it would be really interesting. The Catholic Church is still reeling from its own code of silence, who knows how far the rabbit actually goes.

[TetRefine]

James, I get that it's complicated and the hierarchy sucks, but people have to take initiative. You can't let a monster lose in the world even if it is not politically convenient to do something about it.

 

If Joe wanted to do the right thing, he could've laid the case in front and center, removed the guy, and asked for discretion from the authorities privately and with discretion. A five minute news blip is better than a several weeks of talking heads, your other team's leadership being decimated, an entire career washed away, and the untold victims that this man had molested over the years.

 

"All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing"

 

As for the possibility of a cover up, if there was a criminal conspiracy to hide child abuse at Penn state, it would be really interesting. The Catholic Church is still reeling from its own code of silence, who knows how far the rabbit actually goes.

 

Here is a very interesting USA Today oped article from a few days comparing PennState to the Catholic Church. Penn State should have known that covering this crap up only comes back to bite you even harder in the ass. The Catholic Church proved that.

 

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2011/11/penn-state-paterno-sex-abuse-catholic-priest-scandal/1

[Krista]

Well he's officially fired and will not finish out the season at Penn State.

[TetRefine]

Penn State President, Graham Spanier, also just got canned. Good, at least the board is punishing those who covered up child sexual abuse.

[JamesSavik]

This story is an Iceburg. You've only seen one tenth of it.

 

They hope your righteous rage is sated by throwing a few poor slobs to the wolves.

 

You aren't asking the right questions. Yes- the administration completely screwed the pooch on this one.

 

What happened to Ray Gricar? He was the district attorney investigating Sandusky between 2002-2005 who disappeared.

 

There's way more too this than a few administrators and coaches who just sat on the knowledge.

[TrevorTime]

I'm now hearing that there is rioting going on either on or near the Penn State campus. What a joke.

[methodwriter85]

Where is the outrage, where is the anger, where is the justice and the common freakin sense?

 

There is anger and outrage. In support of Joe Paterno.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeCEEdyk7c4&feature=related

 

"We want Joe! We want Joe!"

 

The speech at the end was really heart-warming, wasn't it?

 

 

It's basically a rallying battle cry. And a party.

[methodwriter85]

Some more riot footage:

 

[Krista]

Disgusting..

[Matthew k]

I don't get any of the story. I admit that I haven't studied the whole story, just skimmed through the articles, but as I understand it a graduate assistant, Mike McQueary, in 2002 says he saw Jerry Sandusky, who wasn't even a coach at Penn State anymore, he had retired in 1999, in the shower sexually assaulting a 10 year old boy and the next day Mike McQueary told Joe Paterno. Mike McQueary is a current coach at PSU.

 

Okay, this is like Highlights magazine and the dentists office, find the errors in the sentence above.

 

Why was Sandusky on campus with boys to begin with?

What adult sees a man sexually assaulting a boy and doesn't intervene right then and there?

Who waits until the next day to tell someone?

Why is Mike McQueary still coaching at PSU?

 

I did see the video replays of the PSU trustee announcing the firing of Paterno. He just seemed like a smarmy suit to me. I think the officers of the board of trustees at PSU all need to be fired, after all it is under their leadership that this occurred with all the other leaders like the President, AD, Head Coach, etc.

[MikeL]

The Grand Jury Report may be instructive.

 

THE CONTENTS OF THE GRAND JURY REPORT ARE EXTREMELY GRAPHIC. The report contains detailed descriptions of the child abuse that Jerry Sandusky allegedly committed.

I read only a few pages of the report. It is disturbing and you may not want to read any of it. Paterno is mentioned a number of times beginning on page 7.

[W_L]

This story is an Iceburg. You've only seen one tenth of it.

 

They hope your righteous rage is sated by throwing a few poor slobs to the wolves.

 

You aren't asking the right questions. Yes- the administration completely screwed the pooch on this one.

 

What happened to Ray Gricar? He was the district attorney investigating Sandusky between 2002-2005 who disappeared.

 

There's way more too this than a few administrators and coaches who just sat on the knowledge.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a mob connection. College sports betting is huge and money speaks louder than a conscience in America. While the mob might seem somewhat noble like the Godfather movies or "Sopranos" on TV with high "morals", honestly, how many illegal porn rings do these guys own (Gay, Straight, Bi, Beast, Pedo, or whatever your vice is), how many underage prostitutes are working for them both girls and boys for ALL customers, and other associated businesses. The American image of the mob is not the reality.

 

If there was a connection, it's a cold case now, unless some one rats some one else out about the "missing" DA.

 

I doubt the cops or the FBI will find a lead beyond just the child abuse issues.

[Krista]

The Grand Jury Report may be instructive.

 

 

 

I read only a few pages of the report. It is disturbing and you may not want to read any of it. Paterno is mentioned a number of times beginning on page 7.

 

I took the time to read the entire thing. It is disturbing to me that so many adults downplayed the situation when they knew what was going on. That they lied to investigators and made it seem less disturbing, but in fact all of it is disgusting and it just makes me angry. Angry that a group of adults would rather save their own ass and own jobs when the health of young children is at stake...

 

Joe Paterno may be the most innocent of the group, but his incomplete action still led to abuse. He may never face jail time, but I'm glad he got sacked.

[JamesSavik]

Sandusky Rumored to Have Been "Pimping Out Young Boys tor Rich Donors"

 

by Michael Hurley on Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:12PM

 

http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-rumored-to-have-been-pimping-out-young-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html

 

 

In April, Pittsburgh radio host Mark Madden wrote a story revealing Penn State for much of the cover-up of Jerry Sandusky's alleged child rape that has been exposed in the past week. While it didn't raise many eyebrows back then, six months later it looks to be incredibly accurate.

On Thursday morning, just hours after legendary head coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier were fired by the school's board of trustees, Madden was asked on WEEI's The Dennis and Callahan Show what he believes the next piece of news will be.

What he said was twice as shocking as anything that's been released thus far.

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

After the news spread, Madden later explained via Twitter why he went public with the rumors.

"I normally abhor giving RUMORS credence," Madden wrote. "But whole Sandusky scandal started out as a RUMOR. It gets deeper and more disgusting all the time. One of state's top columnists investigating. That adds credence. I am NOT rumor's original source. [Why does] Sandusky deserve benefit of doubt?"

Madden also spoke more definitively on Dennis and Callahan to the cover-up efforts at the school and beyond that he expects will be made public soon.

"The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," Madden said. "If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

"My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."

 

 

______________________________

 

This is the other shoe dropping.

 

A large, nuclear shoe.

[methodwriter85]

If I were a student at Penn State, I would seriously transfer to another school.

[W_L]

Sandusky Rumored to Have Been "Pimping Out Young Boys tor Rich Donors"

 

by Michael Hurley on Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:12PM

 

http://www.nesn.com/...ark-madden.html

 

 

In April, Pittsburgh radio host Mark Madden wrote a story revealing Penn State for much of the cover-up of Jerry Sandusky's alleged child rape that has been exposed in the past week. While it didn't raise many eyebrows back then, six months later it looks to be incredibly accurate.

On Thursday morning, just hours after legendary head coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier were fired by the school's board of trustees, Madden was asked on WEEI's The Dennis and Callahan Show what he believes the next piece of news will be.

What he said was twice as shocking as anything that's been released thus far.

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

After the news spread, Madden later explained via Twitter why he went public with the rumors.

"I normally abhor giving RUMORS credence," Madden wrote. "But whole Sandusky scandal started out as a RUMOR. It gets deeper and more disgusting all the time. One of state's top columnists investigating. That adds credence. I am NOT rumor's original source. [Why does] Sandusky deserve benefit of doubt?"

Madden also spoke more definitively on Dennis and Callahan to the cover-up efforts at the school and beyond that he expects will be made public soon.

"The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," Madden said. "If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

"My opinion is when Sandusky quit, everybody knew -- not just at Penn State," Madden added. "I think it was a very poorly kept secret about college football in general, and that is why he never coached in college football again and retired at the relatively young age of 55. [That's] young for a coach, certainly."

 

 

______________________________

 

This is the other shoe dropping.

 

A large, nuclear shoe.

 

Poor kids, there is no forgiveness for betrayal on such level.

 

FYI James, the DA story has gone national as well as this was linked from CNN:

 

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2011/11/10/sadusky-case-and-missing-da-investigation?hpt=hp_t1

 

If this was an organized child prostitution ring, there's probably mob enforcers involved, so get ready for RICO hearings, if this story pans out as more than a rumor.