Thanks for this, James... I'd heard about this guy, but not about the gay angle (that he was the one soliciting money, or from a male). Whoa.....

Yes, that is indeed the height of hypocracy.

I loved the line above all:

If this creep comes out of the closet, I'm saying I hope he goes back in because we don't want him.

That said, I'm disgusted by enoutmous bold-faced hypocrisies exhibited by BOTH parties. My favorite example was during Schwarzeneggers's campaign for California Governor; Then, the Democrats attacked his past as a womanizer, while the republicans claimed it was "old news" and "no big deal". The hypacricy was glaring on both sides, as they had both revrsed their prior positions for political expediance (with the side benefit of exposing both sides as opportunistic hypocritical liars).

Or my favorite recent example: The Clintons criticizing Bush for commuting the jail sentence of Scooter Libby. That just takes the cake;

Libby was charged with (and convicted of) perjury and obstruction of justice; not even the prosecution claimed he was the actual leak (in the Palme case) that was being investigated. Bill Clinton, too, was charged with (Impeached for) Perjury and obstruction of justice. Both Clinton and Libby are now disbarred lawyers as a result. Yet, Clinton apparently didn't feel that perjury and obstruction of justice was grounds for removal from office, let alone jail time, in his own case. I'll also mention the pardon of Marc Rich and hundreds of others.

Yet Clinton felt free to weigh in on the Libby commutation, and it didn't even kick up a media storm. Why? Becuase these days, it seems hypocrisy is the normal thing in politics.

I'm appalled by Florida not paying their state legislators well enough that they have to resort to prostitution to feed their families. Next thing you know, Jeb Bush will get caught panhandling.

I'm appalled by Florida not paying their state legislators well enough that they have to resort to prostitution to feed their families. Next thing you know, Jeb Bush will get caught panhandling.

Ha Ha Ha !!!! :lol:

BTW, what are you doing in Kayman Islands ? dirty financial business ?

Ha Ha Ha !!!! :lol:

BTW, what are you doing in Kayman Islands ? dirty financial business ?

The money I get through the Cayman Islands always comes out quite clean. There's also this nice little bank in Geneva, maybe you know it... Well, we might as well discuss these issues privately (which would avoid us drifting dangerously off-topic)

I'm appalled by Florida not paying their state legislators well enough that they have to resort to prostitution to feed their families. Next thing you know, Jeb Bush will get caught panhandling.

Hrmmmm... I know McCain's campaign is in financial trouble, but I didn't know it was this bad... I mean really; sending his top staff out to give $20 blow jobs in order to raise funds...

I'd like to say I'm dismayed. But I really can't not with all that has been happening as of late. Lewd IM's to congressional aides, Religeous leaders shoved out of the closet only to run back in under the guise of "intense religious counciling", and now this. It's a cycle of self hatred that keeps going, feeding off the generations before. The sad part is such a cycle will never stop until Humans, as a world culture, can learn to not care who is sleeping with whom.

Mistyped info...

For Bill for lying it's not the, biggest deal when Libby helped leaked a cia agent apparently the right has no trouble outing people esp if there not a suck up for bush.

 

And I see it here, when it's your party line, don't go after for the same thing as the other side.

 

As long as he states he's a family guy there forgive him, how frigin typical.

You're badly mistaken on the facts; No one, not even the prosecution, claimed that Libby leaked anything. What he was prosecuted for was claiming to have learned of Palme's identity from a journalist; in other words, he lied under oath., Just like Bill Clinton. Just like Clinton, it was a fact not necessarily germain to the case, but it was perjury and obstruction of justice.

My point is that they did basically the same thing, and yet Clinton has the unmitigated hypocrisy to criticize the commutation of Libby's sentence??

I'm not saying I support what either of them did: I don't. My point is that for Clinton, of all people, to weigh in on this issue was one of the most hypocritical things I've ever seen, yet it received little notice. And that's the whole point; there is so much hypocrisy in politics, on both sides of the aisle, that we hardly take notice anymore. That's what bothers me; it bodes very ill indeed.

I see it here, when it's your party line, don't go after for the same thing as the other side.

Actually- I have more in common with republicans than democrats ideologically. Specifically: fiscal conservatism, strong nation, low taxes, free enterprise. My problem with republicans is that they left it there, all would be well but they don't. They are inextricably linked to a conservative social agenda and I can't support them without taking careful aim and shooting myself in the foot.

I would be more than happy to roast a democrat in his own juices if he did anything nearly this hypocritical.

I see it here, when it's your party line, don't go after for the same thing as the other side.

Actually- I have more in common with republicans than democrats ideologically. Specifically: fiscal conservatism, strong nation, low taxes, free enterprise. My problem with republicans is that they left it there, all would be well but they don't. They are inextricably linked to a conservative social agenda and I can't support them without taking careful aim and shooting myself in the foot.

 

I would be more than happy to roast a democrat in his own juices if he did anything nearly this hypocritical.

Sorry Cjames, I forgot that part, I don't have an issues with Clinton speaking his mind even though he basicly did the same thing, but I still think what he did was worse, Sorry way I see it, they had no trouble leaking about the cia agent. Eh I don't like all big business, like with Walmart Yuck. mostly of what they done with small towns, that business went out of business, im sure most ppl here like them.

Grandfather doesn't care for the newer type of republicans, he's a reagan type guy, or even eailer then that, he doesn't like having relgion being such a big part, I don't like it either, main reason why I'll probably never vote for the party for presidential, way they use it etc.

But really is it that shocking that a guy so against homosexuals, actually getting sex from a guy, here we have a few examples. With that preacher douche.

Mostly how about, the park authorities keep em clean.

But really is it that shocking that a guy so against homosexuals, actually getting sex from a guy, here we have a few examples. With that preacher douche.

 

Mostly how about, the park authorities keep em clean.

Well- I guess on some level he must resent the competetion. After all- how are you supposed to sell it if everybody else is giving it away.

With this creep, the preacher douche and all the rest, it is the hypocracy that gets on my nerves.

He sponsered a bill that would have made what he was doing a felony, punishable with 1-5 years jail time and regester as a sex offender. I mean WTF?

I wish that the court would charge this man under the law that he wanted to pass. Give this asswipe 5 years and register him as a sex offender.

I see it here, when it's your party line, don't go after for the same thing as the other side.

Actually- I have more in common with republicans than democrats ideologically. Specifically: fiscal conservatism, strong nation, low taxes, free enterprise. My problem with republicans is that they left it there, all would be well but they don't. They are inextricably linked to a conservative social agenda and I can't support them without taking careful aim and shooting myself in the foot.

 

I would be more than happy to roast a democrat in his own juices if he did anything nearly this hypocritical.

Totally agreed. Actually, I take issue with the current definition of "conservative" when claimed by Republicans in social policies; they don't fit with the classical definitions of conservatism, which espouse individual liberties, not pandering to reactionary groups such as the religious right.

Another problem with most of the Republican Congress was that they aren't conservative on fiscal policies at all; they became just as enamored of political porkbarrels spendfests as had the Democrats in their heyday. Hence, a lot of the real conservative base hates their guts, and that was a huge part of why they lost last November; many of their core supporters stayed home in disgust.

Sorry Cjames, I forgot that part, I don't have an issues with Clinton speaking his mind even though he basicly did the same thing, but I still think what he did was worse, Sorry way I see it, they had no trouble leaking about the cia agent.

I agree about leaking, but the fact of the case is that Richard Armatage, Dep. Sec State, was the leak. This is documented, and there is no evidence at all that Libby had anything to do with the leak. Yet, Armatage wasn't charged, but the guy who WASN'T the leak gets three years in the slammer? Ugh, only in DC...

Clinton has every right to weigh in on any issue, but, he should be made a laughing stick for this one; what he did was exactly what Libby did.

To put the Libby case in context; think on this. What would you say if a former National Security Advisor smuggled documents out of the 9-11 commissions archives, depriving them of the chance to review them during the investigation, and destroyed said documents? He even his some under a construction trailer so he could retrieve them later (Oh yeah, he's the national security adviser and he does THAT with classified files? ARGH!) The person in question is Sandy Berger. He plead guilty to the charges, and walked away with a 10k fine. Yet, Libby lies though wasn't the leaker at all, and he gets three years, and a quarter-million fine? That is insane. I won't defend Libby at all; in fact, I think he deserved his sentence, but Berger did far worse and Clinton the same, and they basically skated. Only in DC... I'm disgusted with both parties.

And James, I agree with the post you made about the hypocracy; that is a glaring case, it turns my stomach, and I'd sure like to see the ass charged, too. Typical politician; the laws are for the little people, not them.

Both Parties are in a lot of bs, both are deft hipcritical.

Although I do find it intersting, that some on the right, don't think that he should of been impeached, and course half of them did the same things he did, later on, but the way they went after him back then was disgusting, really who ever realy leaked the cia, should go to jail.

I think it will be a long time before we trust any side in the govt.