methodwriter85 Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) Yeah, sometimes it worries me too. Just kidding. Keep on thinking! Heh. Well, I think I've served you pretty well as a muse over the past two years. The only real bad mis-step I've had was convincing you that doing a story on Marcel would be a great idea so you could get that Generation Xer perspective in CAP. God. Still living that one down.:wacko: I liked Brad's conversation with that Zach kid. I guess he's likely destined to play a part in JJ and Will's coming of age, huh? Glad he seems likeable so far. Edited January 20, 2011 by methodwriter85
centexhairysub Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 Another good chapter, this story is at 57 and could easily go to 100 chapters, in my humble opinion... You just knew that JP was going to get a house in Claremont to really show that he and the family are back; seems strange that the people don't seem to have as good of a view of JP's brother Jim and that bunch as they do of JP and his family, who has been gone for years... I think there is going to be a doozy of a secret that links the Carmicheals and Danfields... There is something going on there that will shift the battle more than we think, just hope it doesn't get to many people hurt in the process... I can't wait to see how Matt and Wade handle the idea of being fathers; I think they will have more to think about then they realized when they slept with Tiffany in an attempt to get her pregnate. Can't wait for the next chapter... holding my breathe til I pass out...
methodwriter85 Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 I don't think that'd cause an issue with them- both Matt and Wade pretty much seem to enjoy having sex with both men and women, but they also seem to consider themselves gay because there's more of an emotional pull to men. Brad's continually marveled at the sexual fluidity of the new generation of guys.
KYE Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) While were speculating here maybe we should consider that Matt and Wade end up breaking up after college? I mean it's not as if it's guaranteed that those two will make it in the long run (10+ years) and even if they managed to do so, they could easily break up after they graduate... I think that is a good point to make here. Since Mark's stories are based around history so much I have a tendency to go back to Mark's history in the CAP series since Millennium is story number 10 in the series. His history with long term couples has not been so good. JP & Jeff, JP & Sam, Stef & Deke (and a few others), Marcel and Max, even Stef & Greg were sort of on the outs when Greg died, the list could go on with failed Gay relationships in the series. Maybe that is one reason I've rooted so much for Brad and Robbie to grow old together. But I wonder if Jeanine and Tiffany will be a long term couple? They have already had 2 major blowups over sex with the guys and now it's result. Jeanine has a strong connection to the family with Brad, Robbie, and the kids but Tiffany does not. What if Tiffany decides to leave and drag Matt & Wade thru the mud with the kid? Could get messy. Also women go thru alot of changes during pregnancies and with the 2 of them pregnant and trying to build a relationship at the same time. Oh my. I got a call one night at 2 am saying a couple of my lesbian friends (lovers) were in a fight and I needed to do something. Their house was about 10 minutes from mine and when I got there they were faced off with each other in the front yard cursing at each other and the smaller one was swinging a baseball bat at the other. I stepped in between them and took the bat away. I still have friends that tell me I either have big balls or am completely stupid to step in between 2 lesbians fighting with a baseball bat. :wacko: They settled their differences but broke up a few months later. At the same time I've known some gay women who have been in fairly long relationships. So is Matt and Wade's relationship long term? Jeanine and Tiffany's? Based on the CAP series history, hmmm? Wonder if we could get Las Vegas odds? Edited January 20, 2011 by KYE
KYE Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 Another good chapter, this story is at 57 and could easily go to 100 chapters, in my humble opinion... I thought the chapter had some really good parts but I think returning to the scene of the rape by a rape victim and then having sex there was a bit over the top. As a rape victim myself I could not image that and I was only raped once, not multiple times.
Mark Arbour Posted January 20, 2011 Author Posted January 20, 2011 I think that is a good point to make here. Since Mark's stories are based around history so much I have a tendency to go back to Mark's history in the CAP series since Millennium is story number 10 in the series. His history with long term couples has not been so good. JP & Jeff, JP & Sam, Stef & Deke (and a few others), Marcel and Max, even Stef & Greg were sort of on the outs when Greg died, the list could go on with failed Gay relationships in the series. Maybe that is one reason I've rooted so much for Brad and Robbie to grow old together. But I wonder if Jeanine and Tiffany will be a long term couple? They have already had 2 major blowups over sex with the guys and now it's result. Jeanine has a strong connection to the family with Brad, Robbie, and the kids but Tiffany does not. What if Tiffany decides to leave and drag Matt & Wade thru the mud with the kid? Could get messy. Also women go thru alot of changes during pregnancies and with the 2 of them pregnant and trying to build a relationship at the same time. Oh my. I got a call one night at 2 am saying a couple of my lesbian friends (lovers) were in a fight and I needed to do something. Their house was about 10 minutes from mine and when I got there they were faced off with each other in the front yard cursing at each other and the smaller one was swinging a baseball bat at the other. I stepped in between them and took the bat away. I still have friends that tell me I either have big balls or am completely stupid to step in between 2 lesbians fighting with a baseball bat. :wacko: They settled their differences but broke up a few months later. At the same time I've known some gay women who have been in fairly long relationships. So is Matt and Wade's relationship long term? Jeanine and Tiffany's? Based on the CAP series history, hmmm? Wonder if we could get Las Vegas odds? Lesbians can be dangerous. Beware. I thought the chapter had some really good parts but I think returning to the scene of the rape by a rape victim and then having sex there was a bit over the top. As a rape victim myself I could not image that and I was only raped once, not multiple times. Fortunately, that's never happened to me, so I can only imagine what it must have been like and try to write from that perspective. I'm sorry if I offended you, or anyone else who was victimized like that. My goal with that scene (and with much of this part of the story) had been to give Robbie some closure so he could finally put the demons of the past to rest. 2
methodwriter85 Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) I have to admit, the scenario about Tiffany dragging Matt and Wade through custody hell is so much more interesting than, "And the lesbians with their kids sired by surrogate fathers lived happily ever after..." Knowing Mark's M.O., I think it's going to much more complcated than that. Edited January 20, 2011 by methodwriter85
Ivy Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 If Wade is the father, I can't see how Grandma Danfield would be happy with a Danfield baby born without the Danfield name.
Westie Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 Damn you Arbour. You introduced politics into the story, and now I'm more interested in the outcome of the vote than i am in the hot guy action taking place around it. Shame on you! 1
Mark Arbour Posted January 20, 2011 Author Posted January 20, 2011 I have to admit, the scenario about Tiffany dragging Matt and Wade through custody hell is so much more interesting than, "And the lesbians with their kids sired by surrogate fathers lived happily ever after..." Knowing Mark's M.O., I think it's going to much more complcated than that. Yes, but "And the lesbians with their kids sired by surrogate fathers lived happily ever after..." would certainly be unique, now wouldn't it. I'm thinking back to "Queer as Folk" and the tiresome arguments about custody and parental rights. If Wade is the father, I can't see how Grandma Danfield would be happy with a Danfield baby born without the Danfield name. I think that Tiffany would give the child Matt or Wade's last name. She's a realist, and would have to know that either one of those names would be more valuable to her child than hers, at least as far as we know. In fact, we don't even know Tiffany's last name. Any suggestions? Damn you Arbour. You introduced politics into the story, and now I'm more interested in the outcome of the vote than i am in the hot guy action taking place around it. Shame on you! I know how you Brits love intrigue! 1
PrivateTim Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 Damn you Arbour. You introduced politics into the story, and now I'm more interested in the outcome of the vote than i am in the hot guy action taking place around it. Actually the hot guy action never interests me as much as the story... I am a little sad we've drifted away from the Crushing of Omega. Heh. Well, I think I've served you pretty well as a muse over the past two years. The only real bad mis-step I've had was convincing you that doing a story on Marcel would be a great idea so you could get that Generation Xer perspective in CAP. God. Still living that one down.:wacko: I liked Brad's conversation with that Zach kid. I guess he's likely destined to play a part in JJ and Will's coming of age, huh? Glad he seems likeable so far. Remind me who Zach's parents are? Who was the kid they bought a cell phone for a while back?
B1ue Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 Fortunately, that's never happened to me, so I can only imagine what it must have been like and try to write from that perspective. I'm sorry if I offended you, or anyone else who was victimized like that. My goal with that scene (and with much of this part of the story) had been to give Robbie some closure so he could finally put the demons of the past to rest. I disagree with KYE. I'm not going to go into specifics, but I did something fairly similar to what Brad and Robbie did. It helped, at least in muting the emotional response I had to the place itelf. Then the memories got weird, and I had to work through THAT, but I wasn't afraid of the place or places like it after. Remind me who Zach's parents are? Who was the kid they bought a cell phone for a while back? Wally and Clara. Zach is the younger of their two children. As for cell phone kid, it was Matt's half-brother Caleb, child of Laura and Charlie (didn't see their last name). Don't judge me. I had to look it all up too. Granted, I knew exactly where to look, but still...
methodwriter85 Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) Something Irish. I like the idea of Tiffany coming from a big, tight-knit Irish-Catholic family. Gives her something similar to Jeanine, coming from a big, Italian-Catholic family from New Jersey. (I'm assuming it's the part of New Jersey that was hit hard by 9/11.) God Mark, you always keep us guessing. That's what I love about you. The only predictable storylines you have would be Cody-the-sage-advice-giver-working-his-way-through-the-CAP-family and Every-Crampton/Schluter-Boy-Gets-A-Hayes. Everything else, we always have to guess...keeps things exciting. Anyway, the cell phone conversation...it's weird to remember that cell phones used to be a status symbol, and that it wasn't common for kids to have them. Just a couple of short years later, it was common for 9-year olds to have them. I wonder how Gathan, Ella, and Zach are going to be influenced by getting into that family....their parents are right not to want them to become spoiled. Look at how Brian turned out. Remind me who Zach's parents are? Who was the kid they bought a cell phone for a while back? Zach's parents are Wally and Clara Hayes. Wally was one of the cousins that raped Robbie, but he's pretty contrite and has worked his way into a comfortable lower middle-class existence as a garbage man. Zach's 14, which puts him in the same age group as JJ and Will, although probably about a year ahead- maybe 8th or 9th grade. That's why I'm guessing he's going to play a role a role in Will and JJ's coming of age, while Gathan seems likely to be part of Matt and Wade's, going by age. The kid they bought a cell phone for awhile back was Caleb, Matt's maternal half-brother. I think he should be about 17 now. Edited January 20, 2011 by methodwriter85
B1ue Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 Hah! Beat you. For my victory, I insist you include at least one country song as an accompaniment to Millenium somewhere in the next five chapters. They're in the country. You can't claim it doesn't at least partly apply anyways.
methodwriter85 Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) See, I'm already ahead of you. I plan on using a Faith Hill song pretty soon. Anyway...the movie that Robbie passed on... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q3ltyPJJMQ&feature=feedf American Beauty. God, what a great movie. "Today I quit my job, and I blackmailed my boss for almost 60,000 dollars. Pass the asparagus." LOL. I had the biggest crush on Wes Bentley in that. Edited January 20, 2011 by methodwriter85
mmike1969 Posted January 20, 2011 Posted January 20, 2011 In fact, we don't even know Tiffany's last name. Any suggestions? Tiffany Hinckleback sounds about right or maybe add some more drama to the story and make it Carullo, cousin to John Carullo . Just remember that John Carullo comes from a big f*ing family.
Mark Arbour Posted January 20, 2011 Author Posted January 20, 2011 Something Irish. I like the idea of Tiffany coming from a big, tight-knit Irish-Catholic family. Gives her something similar to Jeanine, coming from a big, Italian-Catholic family from New Jersey. (I'm assuming it's the part of New Jersey that was hit hard by 9/11.) God Mark, you always keep us guessing. That's what I love about you. The only predictable storylines you have would be Cody-the-sage-advice-giver-working-his-way-through-the-CAP-family and Every-Crampton/Schluter-Boy-Gets-A-Hayes. Everything else, we always have to guess...keeps things exciting. Anyway, the cell phone conversation...it's weird to remember that cell phones used to be a status symbol, and that it wasn't common for kids to have them. Just a couple of short years later, it was common for 9-year olds to have them. I wonder how Gathan, Ella, and Zach are going to be influenced by getting into that family....their parents are right not to want them to become spoiled. Look at how Brian turned out. Zach's parents are Wally and Clara Hayes. Wally was one of the cousins that raped Robbie, but he's pretty contrite and has worked his way into a comfortable lower middle-class existence as a garbage man. Zach's 14, which puts him in the same age group as JJ and Will, although probably about a year ahead- maybe 8th or 9th grade. That's why I'm guessing he's going to play a role a role in Will and JJ's coming of age, while Gathan seems likely to be part of Matt and Wade's, going by age. The kid they bought a cell phone for awhile back was Caleb, Matt's maternal half-brother. I think he should be about 17 now. I don't think Jeanine is Italian. (Sometimes I get confused myself). I actually figured her as come from an Irish/Catholic background. 1
Ivy Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 I had an Irish Catholic college roomate who's last name was Flahive (Flay-hive) who was really cool, but if that was my last name I would give my kid Matt or Wade's last name too. I think Tiffany McMillan has a nice ring to it.
B1ue Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Something Irish. I like the idea of Tiffany coming from a big, tight-knit Irish-Catholic family. Gives her something similar to Jeanine, coming from a big, Italian-Catholic family from New Jersey. (I'm assuming it's the part of New Jersey that was hit hard by 9/11.) I can't recall, but is Tiffany definetly White? Not passing, not light colored, definetly White? Because if you wantto give Jeanine, and hell, Wade's (assuming he's the dad) families something to choke on beyond the lesbian aspect is a mixed race couple.
methodwriter85 Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 (edited) Mark's written her as being a natural blue-eyed blond, so I would assume she is. Going by that, I'd say she's either Irish, Scottish, Polish, German, or Swede. Or Dutch. I've assumed the Hayes family is Aryan German. They're too bulky and big-boned to be Irish. And they have rounder noses, which is more of a German thing. The Irish tend to be skinnier with sharper facial features. Mark's got a thing for blonds/blondes, and redheads- ever notice how most of the protagonists are blond, some of them blond with red highlights? The only dark-haired protagonist is/was Brad. I'm normally into dark-haired guys, but I gotta say he's turned me on to the charms of the fairer-haired. Edited January 21, 2011 by methodwriter85
mmike1969 Posted January 21, 2011 Posted January 21, 2011 Jeanine's last name is Graves... How about Tiffany Hagglebottom
Conner Posted January 22, 2011 Posted January 22, 2011 I have thoroughly enjoyed the last 4 chapters or so dealing with the Claremount situation - especially the scenes with Robbie facing the demons he has there. The dialogue has been excellent - including some great one-liners. Just super stuff. Gathan is a hoot! Looking forward to more from him. 1
methodwriter85 Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) Let's go with Hinkleback. The kids could be named Jacob Hinkleback-Graves and Madison Hinkleback-Graves. I do think a hyphenated name needs to be in there. Very 2000's. Anyway, chapter 58...glad the referendum passed. Let's hope they can save the town! For you trivia-mad people....Mark and I worked out the grade configurations of Gen 4. Darius and Gathan are the class of 2000. Ella is the class of 2001. Zach Hayes would be the class of 2003. JJ, Marie, and Will are all in the class of 2004. And John would be the class of '05. So currently, JJ and Will are in 8th grade...Will dating Drew reminded me of how it never worked out whenever an 8th grader tried to date a sophomore. Funny the little ways CAP reflects real-life sometimes. Edited January 23, 2011 by methodwriter85
mmike1969 Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) the Carmichael and Danfield secret: the two ladies had a lesbian affair and is now using it against each other steal your car Brad? Really? Control freak and obnoxious are two words to describe Brad... Jacob Hinckleback-Graves-Carrswold-Danfield more like it. And instead of Madison make it Edward just so the kids get crap by the time Twilight rolls around. Edited January 23, 2011 by mmike1969
methodwriter85 Posted January 23, 2011 Posted January 23, 2011 Well, I was thinking Madison because that was a top girl name. Maybe Edward instead of Jacob?
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