Jason Rimbaud

Is The Christian God Of The Bible Moral? Part Two: The Origin of The Ancient Hebrew God An InDepth Look At Morality From An Atheist Perspective Written By: Jason Rimbaud In part one we narrowed down which god and denomination we would use as our control subject to discover if god is moral. We will be using the christian god of the bible to try and answer this question. Modern christianity finds its roots in the ancient texts of the Hebrews, who not only wrote the book, believed in the book, and committed horrible acts of rape, genocide, conquest, and murder of anyone who stood in the way in their single minded quest to obtain the promised land in the name of Yahweh. But to understand the god, you have to understand the origins of that god. WHERE DID THE GOD OF THE BIBLE COME FROM? The ancient Middle East was located in the region that includes modern day Egypt, Iran, Syria, Jordan, Israel, Lebanon, the Gulf states, and Turkey. This is also commonly referred to as the Near East. We know the earliest civilization was established sometime around 3500 BC by the Sumerians, in southern Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq) and is widely regarded as the cradle of civilization. Between 10,000 BC to 3,000 BC it is thought the people of Mesopotamia not only invented cities, agraculture, and math, but they invented the first forms of writing. Just so we are clear, it was not around this time when god created the world in seven days, that is just a myth in the ancient Hebrew bible that was stolen from much earlier oral traditions. This was just when humans stopped being hunters and gatherers. Because agriculture was established this gave the people populating these areas the ability to focus on other things, like cities, math, and pursuing a more civilized life. Just because this time period is when all these things began, the people had been around far longer than the first written language. Archeological evidence has established that the Hebrews definitely started settling in Canaan around 1200 BC. The Egyptian record from 1207 BCE noted above consists of the pharaoh boasting about his conquests in Canaan, including Israel. But it isn’t until 840 BCE that the Hebrew god Yahweh is first mentioned in written form on the Mesha Stele. So for all those hundreds of years, the god of the Hebrews was passed down in the finest way possible, orally. Many, if not most biblical scholars today, both religious and secular, agree that the ancient Hebrews cobbled together many different pagan beliefs from both Mesopotamian and ancient Near Eastern Cosmology. They borrowed heavily from different established belief systems and adapted them to their, at the time, unique view of worshiping a single deity instead of multiple deities. While many tribes had a single deity they worshiped as a protector god, they had many other deities they consulted for other mundane things. For example, the Egyptians had dozens of gods they worshiped depending on what they needed at any given time. If you can’t get pregnant, sacrifice some animal to Min and she can help you conceive. During this same timeframe, instead of Min if you were Greek, you’d pray to Demeter to help with fertility issues. To get knocked up, you wouldn’t pray to Ra or Zeus for something so trivial. But the ancient Hebrews prayed to their own god for everything. Poor god, he didn’t have the staff to answer all those prayers, maybe that’s why even if you pray to it today, the odds of your prayer being answered is no better than the flip of a coin, 50%. I did find it interesting in my research, the goddess Demeter, of classical Greece, was a woman while her counterpart, Min, a god depicted with an erect cock and a flail in one hand. The Greek god of fertility is associated with the changing of the seasons while the Egyptian god had an erection. This is the perfect metaphor for current thinking about women's reproductive rights. For comparison, it is believed that Yahweh, was around during the same time period as Zeus, supposed descendant of the great Titans who were responsible for creating the world as well as Ra, descendant of the great Egyptian creator of life. So around the time the ancient Hebrews were just beginning to proclaim Yahweh, the one true god and creator of all life, other cultures already had their own established creation myths firmly locked in place. And in some cases, for far longer. THEN WHO IS THE CHRISTIAN GOD BASED ON? Yahweh is based on several older deities who had been around far longer. Seir, Edom, Paran, and Teman are all likely model candidates for the Hebrew god. And to a much lesser degree, Canaan. You remember him, the god of the land the Hebrews forcibly took and murdered everyone living there. Interesting that some of their god’s characteristics were taken from a vanquished god. If you remember your bible stories, Canaan was the promised land that had been gifted to Abraham and all his descendents because of idolatry. Yep, those pesky Canaanites believed in multiple gods so Yahweh had them all murdered. Apparently, Yahweh is just an insecure god, that a different people living in a different land worshiping other gods, sent him around the twist. Those fuckers. Granted, it did take him some four hundred years to make good on his promise and Abraham was long dead by the time Joshua marched into Canaan and kicked those multiple god worshiping assholes right off the fucking planet. That served those idolaters right, believing in another god. Is the Hebrew god of the bible a real living god, a metaphor, or just a delusion for tent dwelling sheep herders who were a bunch of animal fucking, woman raping, mass murderers who coveted their neighbor’s oxen? Or was he just an excuse to justify their horrific blood lust? I can hear a few of you ask about why have I mentioned animal fucking twice now in referring to the ancient Hebrews? Leviticus 18:23 says, “Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it, that is a perversion.” If you have to write down in your holy book that one shouldn’t fuck animals, then people must have been fucking animals like it was christmas. I can only imagine it was an orgy of animal fucking. Though to be fair, Leviticus 18 is pretty much nothing but laws about who or what you can stick your penis into. And the first time they wrote it must not have taken because two chapters later they had to add an addendum in Leviticus 20:15, “If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he is to be put to death, and you must kill the animal.” I can kind of see if a man is going out raping animals, then he’s probably a deviant, but to murder him, that’s a bit overkill. And then to say the poor animal that did not consent to be fucked should also be killed, that’s just some cavemen type shit right there. And before you think it was just those horny men sticking their dicks into any ole warm hole, verse 16 continues, “If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.” I guess even in ancient times donkey shows were quite the attraction. Okay, you’ll concede the animal fucking, but raping women, not in my bible you might say. You’re wrong, in Deuteronomy 22:28-29 states, “If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. Not only is this a very immoral act, forcing the woman to marry her rapist, but since she is viewed as property of the father, she has to be bought by the man, so the father gets his payment for property rendered. That goes to show you how the ancient Hebrews thought about women and they’re place in society, nothing more than objects to be traded and bought. This ancient belief that obsessed about virgins is so foreign to me. I don’t know about you, but I’ve fucked a few virgins in my life and the sex never was that good. I’d rather a Castro slut any day over a virgin who doesn’t know which end of the dick to suck. WHEN DID THE HEBREWS INVENT THEIR GOD It is thought that the Hebrew religion was first established sometime in the late Bronze Age, 1550 to 1200 BCE or the Early Iron Age, 1200 to 800 BCE. To put that into context, the earliest known god available through historical records is Inanna, a Sumerian goddess of love, fertility, and war. She was also known as Ishtar in later Mesopotamian culture and her name appears in some of the first cuneiform texts from the Uruk period, dating all the way back to the late 4th millennium BCE, sometime before 4000 to 3001 BCE. The Sumerians inhabited what we know as modern day Iraq. So Yahweh is nowhere near old enough to have been the first god of the world. Though Yahweh is old enough that most modern christians do not know or have forgotten, there were many older religions that bear a striking resemblance to the god of the bible and many of its earliest practices. We’ve already established that Yahweh was clearly modeled on earlier gods and this is telling evidence that if a god/gods/divine exists, Yahweh could not be one of those gods. The Hebrew religion is a pieced together belief system they stole from their neighbors, literally picking and choosing which myths to adapt to their own god concept. In choosing which established myths to bastardize into their new religion, like the earlier Babyalonian creation myth the Enumah Elish. The major difference in these two creation stories, the Hebrews gave credit for the creation of everything to a single deity while the Enumah Elish cites multiple deities. They also declared themselves Yahweh’s chosen people. I guess if they were chosen and all other peoples were Gentile, that gave them divine right to slaughter anyone they deemed their enemies. Though they didn’t always kill everyone, they often kept all the females so they could rape them later. All of this behavior could be justified if they were doing as Yahweh commanded. WHEN WAS THE BIBLE WRITTEN The oral tradition of Yahweh had been around longer than when they started writing their holy book, the Torah, which means the law of god given to Moses. The Torah consists of the first five books of the modern christian bible. They are also the most difficult to read due to the horrendous acts it depicts, all condoned and commanded by a supposed loving moral god that modern christians pattern their lives after even to the present day. The final version of the Torah was completed, sometime during the Persian period 539-332 BCE. Though some scholars believe it might have been even earlier during the Hellenistic period. Some claim Moses wrote it, while others believe god inspired Moses to write it. But no matter who wrote it, or what oral traditions it was eventually copied from, the Hebrews believed it was the law of their god, Yahweh. So now that we have a very rudimentary understanding of where and how the origin of the Torah and the christian god came out, let’s look at how it survived when so many other religions and belief systems fell away to history. HOW DID THE ANCIENT HEBREW RELIGION SURVIVE Remember the ancient Hebrews inhabited a region of the world that warred amongst themselves constantly, murdering and overthrowing established tribes and religions seeming at will only to then be conquered by someone else and the whole thing would just start all over again. So the entire region slipped between probably hundreds of gods as different tribes would conquer different regions. The bible claims the great Exodus occurred sometime around 1225 BCE, during Ramsey’s the Second reign. Which would mean some forty years later, the Hebrews would march into Canaan and finally fulfill the promise of Yahweh that was made to Abraham and all his descendents. Apparently that promise wasn’t forever because in 740 BCE, Mesopotamian’s, called the Assyrian’s conquered the Israelites and then some thirty years later scattered them to the four corners of their empire or just absorbed them into their empire when they rebelled against their rule. This left the Hebrews without a cultural identity for a few hundred years. The Babylonian’s conquered Jerusalem in 587 BCE, once again thrusting the Hebrews under the rule of a false god. Just on a side note, it seemed that even the ancient Hebrews seemed to have shitty memories of their one true god. They were constantly forsaking Yahweh which in turn would mean Yahweh would turn away from the Hebrews essentially taking away the protection, and they would get conquered. Then after loud cries and many sacrifices, Yahweh would forget how shitty of worshipers they were and take them back like some kind of battered housewife. This syndrome somehow kept the Hebrew faith alive as the Hebrews continued to be scared shitless of pissing off their all knowing, all powerful, extremely vengeful god who had already destroyed every human on the planet in his anger. Yet they continued to worship that god, who battered whom in this relationship? So when the Babylonians conquered Jerusalem and destroyed the temple in 587 BCE, the Hebrews were once again a subjugated people. This time to Nebuchnezzar II who not only burned the temple to the ground, he took with him back to Babylon most of the population of the city. The bible chronicles these events in 2 Kings Chapter 25. Once again, the Hebrew god was defeated by Marduk and delivered into slavery. So much for their all powerful god. When Cyrus the Great defeated the Assyrians, with the help of the Babylonians, their territory was divided amongst the Persians, Babylonians, and Egyptians. Judah was overseen by Babylon who were finally defeated in 538 BCE by the Persian army. If you recall, in Daniel 5, it has Belshazzar, King of Babylon, having a feast. He gathers all the nobles of the court, and they drink out of the sacred cups and vessels they had stolen from the Temple when they conquered Jerusalem. And as they are drinking, a hand appears and writes on the wall. And no one in the kingdom could interpret what the words mean. So Belshazzar calls forth Daniel and promises him all sorts of riches if he could tell him what the words mean. The bible, in Daniel 5:25 states, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PARSIN. And basically, Daniel translates that to mean, because you have defiled our precious artifacts, god has numbered the days of your reign, you have been found wanting, and he will give your kingdom to the Medes and Persians. And the bible says that very night, Belshazzar was killed. Though that’s not entirely the way it happened, but this very real all powerful god, the I AM THE I AM, couldn’t destroy the Babylonians, he had to allow the Persians, in the guise of Darius II, to free the Hebrews. We know that Judah, the Hebrews, the Israelites, whatever you want to call them, never had a time during the Assyrian reign or the Persian reign which lasted over two hundred years, where the Hebrews ruled over themselves. This christian god of the bible didn’t seem to be so powerful in the wake of all those other gods that kept conquering them. Around this time, Cyrus the Great decreed the Hebrews could return to Zion and rebuild the Temple. This was the catalyst in saving the religion of the Hebrews from disappearing all together. Cyrus is one of the most influential people that had ever lived, because if he did not allow the Hebrews to return and rebuild their temple, the basis for their faith, we would not have Christianity, nor Islam. So Cyrus could be credited for single handedly saving the Christian faith. The Persians believed in a monotheistic religion called Zoroastrianism, which recognized only a single deity named Ahura Mazda. This religion was based on the teachings of the Persian prophet Zoroaster and this was the official religion of the Persian Empire. Where the Persian’s were extremely smart in appeasing their conquered nations, tribes, city states, they allowed everyone to practice their own religion. As long as you paid your taxes, sent your armies when called upon, you pretty much had free reign to govern your own lands as you saw fit. So the Persian’s allowed the Hebrews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the temple the Babylonian’s had destroyed. They were ruled over by a Persian governor but the Hebrews finally had their religious identity back. So the Hebrew’s slowly gained their city back, they were right where god promised them to be, and over time they grew in influence due to Persia’s rule. This time period called the Iron Age, sometimes called Achaemenid Empire, was a global hub of culture, religion, science, art and technology for more than two hundred years. For over two hundred years, the Hebrews kept their religion alive, propagating the belief system of their god that was based on an earlier version they had already forgotten about. Hebrews were allowed to work in the civil service and even formed military units that were deployed all over Persia. They were even allowed to re-establish the sacrificial ritual at the Temple. Sacrificial rituals, blood sacrifice, was the key in Ancient Hebrew worship. They had adopted a far older pagan tradition of pushing their sins forward through the rite of blood sacrifice of certain animals. This was a practice that believed Yahwah demanded blood offerings in return for forgiveness of sins. This was not uncommon in this era, almost every culture practiced this ritual blood rites, and the Hebrews were no different. Just as in every culture, when you must offer blood to a god, providing these animals became a huge factor in the economy of Jerusalem as merchants from all over the Near East shipped these animals to be slaughtered at the Temple. And while the Bible explicitly states the Priests were not to accept money for the rite of sacrifice, that didn’t stop the priests from getting involved in the buying and transporting of these beasts that the Hebrews then bought to be sacrificed. Thus whoever controlled the sacrificial beasts, controlled Jerusalem. Tell me again how religion hasn’t always been about control, money, and power. Under Persian rule, the Hebrews prospered as they had not been allowed for years. And though the Persians thought of them as unclean because they were not Muslim, they were allowed some positions of esteem in the Empire. Though they never regained their political power, they did use this time to introduce new theological ideas into their Holy Books. So if one of the reasons Hebrew’s survived was the tolerance of the Persians, the reason it spread across the known world was in 331 BCE, a figure invaded Persia with a mission of revenge he inherited from his father. His name was Alexander the Great, and was the very last King of Kings, the last Persian King and maybe second only to Darius II, the greatest Persian King. When Alexander conquered Persia, anyone that resisted was met with swift and total punishment. While anyone who surrendered without a fight, was forced to bow to Alexander’s will. And while he took away all political power from everyone and put his own people in charge, he did allow them to keep their cultural and religious notions unimpeded. Once again, the Hebrews got lucky as Alexander marched across the Persian Empire. Alexander professed to have a dream and when he approached Jerusalem, and when the High Priest came out to bow the knee to his army, the High Priest matched the description of the man from his dream, so Alexander allowed the Hebrews to incorporate into his Empire without the spilling of a single drop of Hebrew blood. The Hebrews made a deal with Alexander, a deal that allowed them to gain a religious foothold in regions otherwise not available to them due to the Muslim influence of the Persian’s. So entwined were Alexander and the Hebrews, the Hebrews incorporated the name Alexander into Hebrew culture as a sign of honor. Once again the all powerful Yahweh was defeated by a false, fake god, Zeus. A god that Alexander believed he was the living son of. It’s crazy that the Greek gods, the Persian gods, the Babylonians god, the Egyptian gods, have all fallen away to myths where the one god they each defeated over and over again, somehow has continued on as the one true living god. By the age of 29, Alexander was dead and his empire, one of the largest the world had ever seen up to that point, was thrown into chaos. Alexander’s generals divided the Empire and once again the Hebrews were caught in the middle between two warring Greek generals on the precipice of defeat. The Hebrews of the time were split down the middle. One side being Hellenistic Jews, who had softened their old traditions and thought the Greek’s were superior to the more primitive beliefs of the traditionalists. They tried to get their fellow Hebrews to denounce the strict old beliefs but the Hebrews dug their heels in and once again revolted. And after several years of fighting, the miracle of Chanukah was born. This went on for a while until the Roman’s stepped in and decided to conquer even more than Alexander ever dreamed. And once again, the Hebrews were relegated to second class citizens with no real political power. But they were pretty much left alone. So as they always did, they’re pesky habit of trying to convert everyone to Judaism once again created issues. And the moment a peaceful prophet proclaimed himself as the prophesied Messiah, the Hebrews promptly had him murdered. The Messiah was not a love thy neighbor kind of guy, at least not to those traditionalists who wanted a warrior Messiah to come so he would literally kill all the Romans that dared destroy the temple for the final time in 70 CE. And the new followers of this hippy Messiah, declared him risen after three days, giving birth to christianity which has been a blight on the world ever since. And these early Christians, all who were Hebrews, the chosen people that their god sent his only son to be murdered in a blood sacrifice for everyone’s sins, past, present, and future, believed that Christ was going to come back in their lifetime to liberate them from bondage. The three day thing always made me scratch my head. He supposedly died on Friday evening, and then rose early Sunday morning. That is more like a day and a half then three days, but christians have never been strong at critical thinking. And how much of a sacrifice was it really? He is killed, and then 60 hours later is risen up from the dead. That’s not a sacrifice, that’s like giving up a weekend. Even amongst the Hebrews, from the very beginning there was infighting regarding this fledgling religion. The early christians thought they would get revenge for the Romans destroying the temple. A temple that was no longer warranted because Christ died on the cross for all the sins so they didn’t have to do their blood magic ritual anymore. None of it makes any sense, but it’s not my religion is it. And you even had other traditionalists, Hebrews, that wanted to destroy those christians because they thought it was a false religion because christ was not the Messiah. So it wasn’t until a man named Saul, a Jew, who had a mission to destroy all christians, saw a bright light on the road to Damascus and promptly converted to christianity. He also ushered in this new reasoning that non-Hebrews could convert to christianity. A bunch of Christian’s were martyred during this timeframe. The traditionalists, Hebrews, hated the christians. Because the christians dared to give up on their arcane beliefs in a murderous, vengeful god who would rather kill everyone than a hippy dude that said can’t we all get along. Thus began numerous belief systems, discussions on should christians still believe in magic, was christ the Messiah? And scholars of different sects started writing their holy books, trying to solidify whichever doctrine they held at the time. This sect over there had different holy books than that sect over there. This one kept all the magic, the giants, the demon fucking, while that one over there threw out most of the supernatural accounts as they tried to gather their holy books. And how it has been since time began, these zealots looked to grow their particular religion by going after the wealthy, the powerful, the influencers of their day. And since the christian belief is extremely rigid in comparison to most, they were smart about their recruiting process. They’d tell a wealthy person, you can still have multiple wives, you can still fuck the boys, but your kids can’t. And with each generation they’d take back a few more of the pagan rites until some two hundred years after christ, a good portion of the Roman Empire believed in some form of Christianity. They were strong enough politically that in 312 AD, Emperor Constantine suddenly converted to christianity publically when he gave christ credit for a decisive victory over his enemies. He was famously a pagan in a country filled with some six million christians, many of whom were part of the ruling class, so his conversion was more than likely purely political. It didn’t really matter if he was a true believer or not, because he was responsible for organizing christianity, the canonization of the modern christian bible, and spreading it through the known world when he made it the national religion. The council who decided the bible, threw out all the fringe holy books that many zealots wanted to include. So as crazy as the modern bible already is, once upon a time it was even crazier with magicians, giants, sorcerers, and all manner of demon fucking. One of the arguments I hear from many christians, is the claim that if it wasn’t true, it would not have survived all these thousands of years. What they fail to realize, or maybe they don’t even know, when it is made the state religion and flung throughout the world, of course it would survive in some form or another. And they also don’t realize that the christianity of the Ancient Hebrews, is a far cry of the modern christianity. But by that logic, the same argument could be made for Islam. That’s an even newer religion and it rivals christianity in popularity. Matter of fact, Islam is closer to their holy books and they know who actually wrote them. A lot more than the christian bible holy books, where a good portion of the authors is not known and written some fifty to eighty years after the events they describe. And lastly, just because so many people believe in something, doesn’t make that something true. For a long period of time, the entire world believed the earth was flat, or that the sun revolved around the earth. Didn’t make that any more true. WAS THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE REALLY INSPIRED BY GOD? To riddle that answer out, let's look to see how the bible stacks up what we know about the universe against the claims of a book written by sheep herders who really didn’t want you to stick your dick into anything but a virgin and sold females at the fathers whim. We need to be able to look at the bible with reasonable, testable, methods and leave out feelings, faith, and fear. If over 2 billion people believe in this book and based their entire lives on it, I for one would like to know how it holds up to a bit of reason. The Torah, a book claimed to be dictated by god himself, claims that the entire world and everything in it was created in seven days. And for all you apologists out there saying that seven days was used because at the time the ancient Hebrews had no concept of millions much less billions of years. Okay, but then what about the order of creation, god’s inspired book got the order wrong. Not once, but twice. Did you know there are two completely different versions of the creation myth in Genesis. And yet both of them got the order of creation wrong. In the first version, plants were made before the sun. In the second, man was made before the sun. Fine, I’ll give you the seven day argument, but how did this amazing god get the order of creation wrong, fucking twice? The claim that all of humanity came from two people. Well science and genetics have proven that claim to be false. The bible claims there was a world-wide flood, no evidence can be found to support this claim. The bible claims that all of humankind lived together and spoke the same languages in a place called Babel. I’ll get more into that particular craziness later on, but god was so worried that humans were getting along so well and it knew that together they could do anything and would no longer have a need for him, so he confused their languages and cast them over the face of the earth. We know that never happened. The bible claimed that god stopped the sun in the sky so Israel could defeat its enemies. We know that is impossible, as the sun doesn’t rotate around the earth like those primitives believed. To make this happen, god would have to stop the earth from rotating, disrupting all sorts of natural laws that would have caused chaos not to mention losing gravity. The bible also claimed a man lived in a belly of a fish for three days and did not die. I could go on for pages of just the craziness the bible claims to be true in the first five books alone. Then there is the whole claim regarding the Exodus. That in itself is problematic for archaeologists as they have never found evidence of Israelites in large numbers populating in Egypt. Most believe the Israelites were indigenous to Canaan. Then the claim that Jericho was a large fortified city during this time period is also laughable at best. According to archaeological evidence, Jericho during the time of the Exodus was likely a relatively small settlement, with most experts agreeing that the city was not a large metropolis as depicted in the bible but rather a smaller settlement with a defensive wall which contained about 5-6 acres in size. Yes Jericho is one of the oldest cities in the world, and yes they found two different walls that had been ruined by some means, but not at the time the bible claims. I think most rational people can see at best the bible is a bunch of metaphors and allegories written to control the Israelites like many other religions of the day and at worst, utter bullshit written by people who thought the world was created in seven days by a god that never defeated anyone. Sadly, the world we live in is not filled with rational people so we will continue on with our quest to see if we can reason out if their god was a moral god and if he deserves our worship. In part three we take a look at the Exodus story in greater detail.

Oh no! I could never come close to your amazing imagination and wonderful world building. I think I'm going to shut up, because I love your stories. J

The Moth are really scary and have wonderful magic (Ka) though to them its science based and nothing supernatural. They have a complex way of living and very cutthroat in how they deal with everyone, including other Moth's. They are great villains and as I am starting to understand the author's style, they should be returning in future installments. Though why they left the guy alive is beyond me. I always say when you have to punch someone, you keep punching until they can't get back up. With this Moth, they only bloodied his lip, methinks he will return. As I have come to expect with this author, he brings his wonderful imagination and brings all those cultures to life in ways that you picture them in your minds eye. This installment was a bit weird for me, as Charlie, his hand holder, Adrian, Rick, Kip, Nip, Mike didn't really do anything to either further the plot or help the infiltration succeed. Pretty much, after the Nip & Kip saved Charlie from being kidnapped, they didn't even need to be included in this tale. Matter of fact, having less characters could have let the others shine. I hate to see our six leads reduced to nothing but hugging, kissing, stare into each other's eyes, making the odd sexual comment, eye candy that they were in this tale. And none of their gadgets that they had to go get from home came into play, why include it? And I so agree with Max, for all the loving looks, kissing, hugging, our foursome does, sometimes you need to focus on the task at hand. We get it, they like each other. Can they show any other emotion than love-sick puppies? But the author gave me the William's back and being all bad ass in The Day The Earth Stood Still form. Gort is one of my all time favorite robots from that era and the message of the movie still holds up with peace and positive branding. So out of the ones I've read thus far, this is like number three in terms of pure enjoyment, as the stakes were slightly raised. But what would have set this story to being even better, Charlie's hand holder should have been kidnapped by the Moth and the rest go on a rescue mission. Can you imagine what the author could have done with that storyline? I bet it would have been great.

Thank you for your quick response! I do like the function of waiting to publish until after all chapters have been approved, and once a day is still pretty good posting rate. Thanks.

I would like to tack on a question in the same vein as @E K Stokes. I know we can't submit more than one chapter at a time. Is it allowed to submit chapter, wait for the approval, submit another chapter, wait approval, so on and so on until the entire story is approved, and then publish everything all at once, or do we still need to publish once a day/week?

CAUTION: This will be an ongoing series looking to ascertain if the christian god of the bible is in fact, a moral god. And if that christian god of the bible is one that should be followed/worshiped/believed in. I am posting this in my Blog because it gives me the freedom to write uncensored without worrying about colorful metaphors or taboo subjects that might get me warned in the forums. That just means I’m going to be swearing and professing perhaps controversial opinions on the subject of the christian god and various religions attached to it in some form or another. I know this topic is near and dear to many people, and they might take offense to some of the things I will be talking about in this series. Should you proceed, it should be with caution and an open mind. That being said, I do welcome other opinions and invite you to be real and honest if you do decide to participate by commenting. Is The Christian God Of The Bible Moral? Part One: How Do We Choose Which God An InDepth Look At Morality From An Atheist Perspective Written By: Jason Rimbaud This idea started when I joined the Pit a few weeks ago (now a few months ago) and read a post started some years back titled does god/gods/divine exist. I started to reply and offer up my three and half cents when in my usual fashion, my comment grew to be rather long as I tried to organize my thoughts on the subject. Because as I thought about the question, if gods do exist, which god was the poster talking about? And if that particular god exists, would that make it something we should automatically follow and worship as the humans of old? And that led me to the idea that if a god did exist, and if I found that god to be immoral, I would still reject that god on moral grounds alone. So I think the question isn’t if god/gods/divine exist, the question should be is god moral? WHICH GOD ARE WE TALKING ABOUT I happen to live in America, a country where one of our founding tenets is freedom of religion. Many people believe this gives protection to worship how one chooses. I like to think the founding fathers put this in our documents to ensure we have the freedom from religion. As Steven Weinberg famously said, “With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil…but for good people to do evil, that takes religion.” In America alone, we have numerous different religions and inside those religions different denominations, we need to define which god’s morality we will be analyzing for this discussion. So before we can begin discussing if god is moral or not, we need to define which god one personally believes in. Because there are a lot of them to choose from. How do we know which is the right god? It is believed over the course of human history some 18,000 gods have been worshiped by well meaning humans. Though I would expect that number to be low as many gods have been left to the dustbin of history, gods that had been worshiped before the invention of writing, oral traditions where the people responsible for passing down that tradition were murdered so that particular god would be lost to history. As it stands today, most of the world’s population believes in one of the big three religions, Islam, Christianity, and probably the oldest religion known to man, Hinduism. There might be small regions of the world where pockets of people cling to the old gods but they do not really make waves in our current time. To put it in perspective, Islam is roughly about 1,400 years old while Hinduism is at least 4,000 years old. With Christianity being roughly 2,000 years old. Because Scientology isn’t really a religion as much as it’s a tax shelter, the newest overall world-wide religion is the Mormon religion, almost 200 years old. Out of the big three, Christianity has the most worldwide followers with over 2 billion believers, Catholics alone claim just over one billion of those, Islam almost at 1.9 billion, and poor little Hinduism coming along in the rear at 1.2 billion. To put that in perspective, Mormons are just over 17 million, so they really don’t make much of a wave on the grander scale. It is estimated that planet earth has over 8.2 billion humans alive today. Just with the four I mentioned, well over half of the population believes in some kind of god/gods/divine worldwide. Atheists account for about 500 million worldwide, more than the Mormons but not enough based on the evidence we have available. The good news, atheists have tied with the buddhists, so yea for us. I do think it’s safe enough for us to only look at the big three when choosing which god we want to believe in. I also think it’s fair to say that each of the big three, emphatically say they and they alone have the one true god and its accompanying religion and the other’s are actually false. I will pause here and pose a question to everyone reading this. Just because a majority of the population on this planet believe in some kind of god/deity, does that make the belief true? Especially since there is zero evidence of its existence. I submit for your approval, if one of the big three gods is the one true god, then that god is a dick. Because god is supposed to be all powerful, all knowing, with access to the past, present, and future. That god would have to have seen the destruction that has been done in those three gods' names alone over the course of human history. If it was a good, just, moral god, then the one true god would know the other gods are false and do something to end the bloodshed over the course of that history. If that god refuses to declare itself to the world, thus forcing all of humanity to play this big guessing game on which is the right god to serve, then that god is an asshole. Either way, how many millions of people have died in these three gods’ names over the last four thousand years? But if you actually take the time to read the christian bible, you realize the christian god relishes in the killing, murdering, genocide of people, animals, and everything he created. Read the bible and you will find out the christian god is a bloodthirsty, petty dick who has never deserved to be worshiped. What of the gods that are older than the big three? Were they not the real god? And if the Hindu gods only came into existence some 4,000 years ago, how can the christian god be real if he’s only 2,000 years old? Do you see how convoluted your belief systems are? Did the christian god just sit around quietly after he made everything until he decided to pick the Hebrews as his chosen people? Did the god of Islam hit the snooze button for a few hundred years after the christian god grew in prominence before he poked his head out from under the tent flap? And why did the christian god choose the Hebrews? Every other chapter they were losing faith in him and running off to worship other gods? If the christian god is real then he’s a poor judge of character. Because even today, most of the Jewish people don’t believe in him anyway. And why not all the other humans the christian god supposedly created? What was wrong with them to make the creator turn their back on them? Sorry about that sidetrack, let’s get back to the task at hand, choosing which one of the big three religions is the correct god to worship. They all have different belief systems, different worldviews, different tenets, different rewards and different steps on how to achieve those rewards, different punishments and varying degrees of nonsense one would have to do to achieve those punishments. How do we discover the one true religion along with the one true god to follow? After many years of study and research, I know the path to how one would decide which religion is the correct one. Are you ready? The way you know which is the correct one, it’s simple, just be born. Because whatever region of the world you are born into and whatever particular religion that region prescribes too, that is the religion you are most likely to be indoctrinated to believe since your birth. Along with whichever god is attached to that particular region. And yes, it’s really that simple for most of the world. Born in America, probably Christian, born in India, more than likely Hindu or Islam, you get the picture. Belief in a particular religion is nothing more than an accident of birth. WHEW, NOW WE ARE FINALLY AT THE CHRISTIAN GOD OF THE BIBLE Since I was unlucky enough to be born in America, let’s focus on the god I was indoctrinated into accepting from pretty much the day I was born and fervently believed in until I was fourteen years old. That was when I discovered the god I believed in didn’t like the fact that I wanted to suck my friend's dick more than I was afraid of going to hell. Or as I like to say, when my critical thinking skills came into focus and I started to reason out my own beliefs instead of accepting what had been thrusted upon me by my parents. And for those of you that hadn’t guessed along with the rest of the class, I will be delving into whether or not the christian god of the bible is in fact moral and worthy of worship. Oh shit, wait. Fuck me I forgot. Which denomination of christianity is the correct one out of the 200 denominations that are practiced in America alone. And for now we are just going to ignore the other 44,000 denominations of christianity worldwide that are being practiced in 2024. So much for this being easy to figure out which religion thus by proxy which god is the correct god to judge morality against. Fuck my life. There are five different baptists denominations alone, then you have presbyterians, protestants, orthodox, independents, evangelical, catholics, mormons, westboro baptist church, and that’s just to name a few, excluding some of the weirder ones. I know, you might say as a christian, the god the westboro baptist church follows isn’t my god. I know they got a really bad rap by protesting military funerals, protesting pretty much anything related to gay people. But I hate to break it to you. Westboro followed more closely to the teachings of the bible than any modern denomination. All their hatred, bigotry, misogyny, that was taken directly from the christian bible and was law according to the ancient Hebrews. They only thing they did not do was the killing, raping, genocide, taking of slaves, animal fucking, well you get the picture. Hate them all you want and deny their god but they aren’t biblically wrong. What about the Catholic’s? They are after one of the biggest religions on the planet today. Of course you’d have to find a way to justify the long standing practice of moving kid fuckers around to different churches all to hide the decades long abuse that had and was known by the leaders of the movement. What’s his name, the Pope. The one man the Catholics believe speak for god, knew about the kid fucking and instead of doing the right thing he helped hide it under his ridiculous hat. That’s kind of what happens though when you take away the freedom of sex from its priests. I know if I go a week without sex my brain starts to believe that if you confess your sins to me and say a magical prayer while touching anal beads then you too can have your sins forgiven by a man that isn’t allowed to touch his own dick. I pose another question, why do there seem to be such a high number of abuse in the Catholic church? I think the answer is two fold. Number one, in 1139, they outlawed sex for all their priests. Sex is a natural function of the human body, telling thousands of men they can’t do what is only natural will have repercussions. The second reason is the Catholic church's stance on homosexuality. There are probably hundreds if not thousands of gay priests in the Catholic church. I know for a long time true believers were encouraged to join the priesthood if they had homosexual tendencies. You can be gay all you want, you just can’t ever experience dirty gay butt sex. So homosexual’s were told to join the priesthood. That way they can still get into heaven as priests were forbidden to have sex. Because the Catholic god really hates it when two guys touch wieners for some reason. Methinks your god protests too much, he’s probably a bottom. I’m not saying all Catholic kid fuckers are gay. Matter of fact, most people believe pedophilia is not as much as being gay as being a predator. Because I am very much gay and I have fucked every single kid I ever wanted too. Granted, that number is zero because I didn't want to have sex with kids when I was a kid, much less now as an adult. Let’s say you can somehow justify all that kid fucking, what about the millions of deaths in Africa due to the Catholic churches stance on condoms. Allowing people to wrap their peens in latex would have saved so many lives that have been lost to AIDs over the years. Or we could talk about the entire history of stealing treasures that didn’t belong to them. Or the Crusades, where they stole lots of treasure, or the Inquisition where they stole lots of treasure under the guise of fighting evil. Of course all those evil people the Catholic’s were fighting against were so conveniently rich. Their criminal activity is well documented for thousands of years. What about the Evangelical’s you might ask? Well, in that movement they have many prominent pastors and politicians that have been caught with some strange dude’s dick in their mouth even as they condemn homosexuality, implementing laws to abolish gay rights, human rights, and trans rights all in the name of their god. They believe the same bullshit you do, but unlike you, they don’t exactly walk the walk. Yet you keep electing these fake christians because even in their hypocrisy, they further your own hate filled agenda against sexual minorities and abortion. You disagree with me? Look what the entire Evangelical movement did to elect Trump just to get abortion overturned in the courts. They sold their spiritual soul in their single minded focus on abortion. They are against divorce, Trump three times divorced, they are against adultery, Trump is a convicted felon because he cheated on his wife with a porn star, they are against assault on women, well, maybe not against as much as they just like to tell women what they can do with their bodies even in an event of assault. Trump grabs women by the pussy. They are against lying, Trump is well, a stretcher of truths. I could go on and on but I think you get the picture. Maybe their god really does work in mysterious ways. But I think if we are going to stick to our model of which region of the world you are born into, so I am going to choose the christian god of those crazy pentecostal’s to see if it is moral or not. The pentecostal is a relatively small portion in the christian movement. However, it was one of the fastest growing christian movements in modern history, from 1970 having about 58 million to 2021 with about six hundred million. They are also a bit unique because much like the early Hebrew christians, they do not believe in the Trinity at all. There is only one god, they speak in tongues just like the apostles did in Acts 2:38. They baptize only in the name of Jesus Christ as well, completely submerging their victims in water tanks. They believe in the holy ghost that comes inside you and washes away all your sins no matter their severity. By the way, off topic, Jeffery Dahmar, one of the most notorious serial killers of gay men, became a christian before he was then brutally murdered in jail. So they say he’s in heaven. The only gay men I’ve ever slain was in the bedroom but yet I’m going to burn in that other place for the rest of eternity. That should be the end of this discussion on whether or not their god is in fact moral. They also have outrageous “holiness” standards that they enforce with an iron thumb. Some of the things I was not allowed to do, play sports because that took away focus from god, listen to any music or attend concerts unless they were approved by the church, which meant only pentecostal artists, having long hair, (only woman could have long hair, matter of fact they aren’t allowed to cut their hair at all), wearing any form of jewelry, wearing shorts no matter how hot it was outside, going outside without a shirt on, wearing red as it was the color of harlots, having any association with girls outside of sponsored church youth events, women could not wear make-up, wear pants, or show any skin, their skirts had to come to their ankles or they had to wear dark stockings. But the one thing that is my personal favorite. They were so scared boys and girls would get together and do the nasty, they wouldn’t even let us swim in a pool with girls. Which was completely fine by me and about ten other kids in my church. We got to see our classmates nearly naked every week as we changed into our swimsuits. Maybe I wasn’t born gay at all, it was just all that conditioning of being forced to only associate with other boys until I was eighteen that made me love boy’s bits. So for the rest of this series, I will be looking at the ancient Hebrew version of god and we will try to reason if that god is in fact a moral god and one that should be followed and worshiped. In Part Two, I will offer up a brief history of the ancient Hebrew god and outline the origin of their religion and how it spread to be one of the top three in the entire world.

Had to take a break from your Charlie Boone shorts, glad I did. The characters are haunting and you make the reader actually feel the emotion of loss, grief, and the ways the living struggles with the passing of loved ones. Internalizing the guilt is something everyone does and left unchecked, it can become all too consuming. The idea of a city being something like a guardian spirit is an original theme at least to me. Enjoyed the story. Thank you.

If you are looking for hardcore drama then this isn't the series for you, if you are looking for some hardcore action of the horizontal kind this series isn't for you. This series is pure escapism where one knows exactly what is going to happen with some very fun characters and intricate plots with reasonable science jargon that actually make sense. The Charlie Boone series is fun adventure with little to zero stakes for our mostly beloved foursome, one of those boys could disappear forever and I'd be much happier. Charlie needs someone like Mike, not ole whatshisname. The author offers startling details about these other places, worlds, and the fun characters our protagonists meet along the way while somehow redefining myths, legends, and supposes. This tale, aliens, ghosts, time travel (of sorts), and villains that are eight feet tall. Did I know the moment you mentioned ghosts on the planet that my favorite Williams would show up? Yes, but that only made me more excited to get to that part. Are there foreshadowing of future stories? Yeps. My one criticism, how the hell to you manage to avoid any of those boys from having sex on an alien world or alien ship? That would have been the first thing I did, BJ's in space, cross that right off the list. Or have that crazy bunny/bear alien person adjust the gravity and do some zero-gee banging. Four naked boys floating about doing naughty things would have been a great mental image. Who would know where one thing enters and another thing...well you get the point. Don't binge them like me, or you might get nauseous by the squeezes, kisses, and general lovey dovey stuff that can get repetitive. Maybe because I've been married so long and have left my teenage romances so far in my rearview, but I don't think I ever acted that gushy with my boyfriend even when I first discovered that two things boys have feel wonderful when smashed together for the first time. Much less all the time every few paragraphs. But I'm a cynic and if I don't get some drama every once in a while, I get cranky. The William story is still my favorite, but this one has overtaken all the others to be firmly in second place. I really liked this one. Good fun read!

My favorite part was when Charlie's boyfriend was being a little shit to Ricky and Ricky fired back with some truth bombs. Great exchange. As for failing to bring in Cupid I'll let it slide, the elven boys are so much fun to read about what little we get to see about them. All jokes aside there are some truths written here i wish more people would learn and put into practice. I'm starting to soften a bit on Charlie, though Ricky is probably my favorite, then Max. Charlie's boyfriend just makes me want to bang my head off the table a few dozen times, but I'm fighting that urge like that horrible hate monster that invaded our younglings. Entertaining read with some real good advice for us humans walking around this planet. Great little tale. Happy to see there are several more to enjoy, though I must slow down, I'm doing too many a day and I'll run out of time soon.

So this one had so little of Adrian and Ricky I was a mite disappointed. Though Charlie's boyfriend was limited as well so there is that. The narrative you weave around the origin of the "Big Guy" is so wonderful and poignant, his capacity to love is only mirrored by his capacity for pain and loss and grief. The prose is wonderful and you weave heartbreak with just the right amount of hopeful naïveté that love can overcome all obstacles. The last one with William & William was/is my favorite (currently) but this is just right under. Great little tale and thank you for not making "Big Guy" gay. J

So I didn't comment on Part Two of this series, it was a fine story but didn't really strike me deeply in the feels. But this one is a real gem. It has ghosts, unrequited love, puppy love from Ricky and Adrian, I guess charlie and skip was there, but damn, what a fun Halloween story in a spooky house. The entire party witnessed something miraculous and didn't even know it. Makes you wonder if and when we might have been party to something beautiful and never even realized it when two worlds briefly collide. I like that the author is bringing in supernatural elements to the series, much better than the average Halloween story of blood, death, and mayhem. Ghouls with plenty of sleepovers, horny teenagers, and a story that if your eyes don't grow misty by the end, you are an asshole. Great story.

So I don't like reading stories about fourteen year olds, I don't like reading stories about fourteen year old boys having sex. I don't like reading a day in the life stories that have practically zero conflict. So why did I enjoy this story so much? Charlie and Kippy are not the stars of this tale. Adrian and to a lesser degree Ricky are the true protagonists while Charlie and Kippy are more like the spiders slowly entangling their prey into their big ole gay web. Through sure force of openness and acceptance, Adrian's defensive mechanisms are brought down so he can at least begin his journey of self acceptance. A real fun read that zips by super quick. I might dip my toe into the next installment.

I think everyone knows that I like this story. But the author is doing something intentionally that is making me enjoy it from a ten to a nine. I think there was a real missed opportunity in the above chapter to build towards a "gotcha" moment upon the reveal of everyone's identities. When Jamie was talking to Melinda, there was an opportunity for him to scan the crowd, maybe offer up a few vague descriptions as he tries to puzzle out Cottontail's identity. Then we would have at least something to speculate upon. We could have gotten a hint, tease, of what the brother might look like. And we could have moved into a case of mistaken identity as well, building conflict and advancing our interest. I do not like it when the author keeps everything intentionally so vague there is no way with good detective work to figure out the mystery, in this case, just who everyone is. Jamie could have zeroed in on a guy that somewhat matches Cottontail's physical appearance, Jaime could have approached him and I think you get the idea. The story is great however, and I'm not attacking the author. I am more than willing to read what the author has written, based on character building and the absurd behavior of our protagonists. I'll keep happily reading to riddle out the narrative. Can't wait for the next one.

PS: I do not like sports balls of any kind.

First, do you know the first villain you had in your story was named Jason? You gave me a brain tumor and depicted me as an abuser and a drunk. Only one of those things are true to life. Second, how about instead of having conversations you have some sex!!!!!!! If you like, I'll even write it for you

I have long given up fighting what I want the story to be and what the author has given us. This is not a vampire story with high drama, epic battles between evil and evil. This is a character study in human/vampire growth as Greg & Company grow into adulthood/vampirehood. It's about their steadfast desire to stick together no matter what happens. It's about the very real emotion of family, doing the right thing no matter what the status quo might dictate and through sheer force of naiveté, force the old standards of Dracul to embrace modern sensibilities. It is also about gathering around tables and having a chat. A few chapters back the author went into what some might say horrible detail chronicling vampire view on sex, age of consent, and family pairings. At the time, it seemed to come out of left field and didn't really fit into the narrative he had created. We now know he was laying the groundwork to confront the Baron and to be the first vampire to attempt to change that point of view. Plus since Justin4Fun couldn't think of a good way to have a few boys say "peace out on high school", he needed a way to get Greg seated. Just because the stickiness of the situation, and it was rather off putting to read about, he could have overthrown the Baron through a different narrative device. As much as i do not enjoy children, reading about children, I never would have tackled that in a story of mine. But I will admit that to Greg's sensibilities, it makes perfect sense in the context of the story Justin4Fun decided to tell. By no means did he ever condone such behavior and Greg's attitude from the very beginning was of disgust. I did say if this story turned into a day in the life without a real plot moving the narrative forward I would tap out. Well I lied, and that's testament to how entertaining the story has become. I also said that I wanted to read a vampire story and not about two teenagers setting up a business. Well, I was wrong, I guess I did want to read about kids succeeding in business. In almost every aspect, this is a vampireless tale as the main focus is on family. And I've enjoyed the last three books so much I read them instead of writing on my own current story about Glacier Bay. And since I've done almost nothing except gush about this story, my only real compliant, Greg & Company are too smart for their own good. No seventeen year olds are that smart. I do not like reading a story where the main characters are always right and always make the right best decision and act like forty year olds. I know for a fact real growth comes from making mistakes and learning what to do better next time, thats experience. But halfway through book two, I forgot their ages and embraced what the author wrote. And yes, the entire Vampire Court was tedious and several times I rolled my eyes at the absurd steps they went through for the sake of plot, I happily clicked on the next chapter icon, so apparently I dont have to love every single thing about a story to thoroughly enjoy it. I will not begin book five until I see the complete icon, on average, his books seem to be between 12 and 14 chapters, so on the outside, I have another three weeks to wait. Thank you for giving me a story i've enjoyed so much, I made a nuisance of myself and was put on timeout but it was worth it to me. See you in the next book.

Mary asked, so we had to explain about Jake’s broken neck and our concern that he would come through the change to find himself a vampire in a motorized wheelchair. Mary and Robert both assured us that the change could heal almost any injury suffered in the hours just prior to death, but until we saw it for ourselves, we held tight to our worries. Hahahahah, oh how the young forget...Josh's leg was practically smashed and severed and he doesn't even limp. I will give it to Justin4Fun, he is meticulous with his details. My guess, Jake is awake and needs more blood.

After chapters and chapters of meetings, everyone gathered over lunch, dinner, drinks, plans upon plans over complicating everything, we get to see some action. Like anyone is going to care if a few high schoolers stop going to school. Who the hell does Greg and his friends think they are anyway that the whole school is going to be wondering where they are? And yes, I'll admit that Justin4Fun numerous sitting around talking scenes are highly entertaining and I'm only poking fun at that trope because I wouldn't want my comment to be nothing but showing him my excitement. (you'd get that reference if you go back and read my review to book three). But it would be nice to have them go somewhere else and not gather around a table to chat. I already made my displeasure known that adding kids always get the sitcom cancelled or to use an old term, jumping the shark. But not only did Just4Fun add a murdered infant to the clan, but just to poke fun at me he added two more little blood suckers. At this time in the story, how old is Greg, seventeen? I've never met a gay boy so eager to have kids before even experiencing sex in my whole life. Seriously, at this point, why even bother going to school? So finally, here we have Greg, over analyzing commander in chief of the entire world, decides to kill someone with barely hatching a plan. I thought for sure we'd have a pow-wow. This justified killing of the Baron leads to our first turning that doesn't involve heavy machinery. Don't get me wrong, it was a fun scene, Greg showed his true power, though even for vampires I think ten minutes is rather long of a fight. But in the end he rips the head off the Baron. And poor Scott, Josh, Chris, Tommy, didn't even get to have their claws bloodied. This leads me to assume that Greg is not a very good Baron at all, he didn't allow his friends to get some of that blood rage out. He's gonna have to buy a few more houses to shelter his growing brood. On a completely different note, the fates are assholes, making Josh responsible for a young vampire when the boy barely learned what the thing between his leg is for. Bad fates.

If I may ask a question or two. As I am still trying to organize my thoughts on this subject and they have not completely solidified. Maybe you could offer some other point of view. You mentioned there are complications should conception happen. Well, for the moment, we have ways to handle any unwanted pregnancies. We also have discovered certain genetic markers they can test for before the baby comes to term if mutation is what is troubling you. In my research I did a deep dive into one of the bigger arguments, genetic mutation. Many studies have shown that it takes generations of inbreeding for those mutations to manifest. Unless it becomes generational incest, a simple pairing of siblings shouldn't really be cause to worry. Unless you are referring to how the baby would be accepted by society, an offspring of incest. Again, most of that stigma comes from modern day religion. As for most of humanities past, incest was not just common practice but almost mandatory in certain circles. There is even incest in the Bible. If religion wouldn't have put its nose into people having sex, we would think nothing of it happening. And I know this sounds like I'm advocating incest, I am not. But I don't find anything from a moral point of view to object.

Perfect place to add some conflict,

Firstly, I really do not like having to put a disclaimer on a piece of literature. I'd prefer to discover things as the author intended. Normally I am pretty tongue-n-cheek when it comes to commenting on a story, I'm rarely serious. So I won't do that now. I am going to reach out to you because I do have a serious question in regards to something, as long as I'm off punishment. Completely off topic, kind of, I always found the contempt of incest to be puzzling. I believe, as to my current understanding, that I'm not as worried about who is having sex as much as I worry about getting consent. I would never classify any act committed by a parent, uncle, relative, to an underage person as incest. I would call that molestation. Due to the power dynamic, you never know if that child is truly consenting or has been groomed in some way. But if a brother and sister want to get it on, as long as they both consent, it's none of my business nor do I frown on it. Reasonable Consent is the key for me.

Hhahaahahaha All that planning and over analyzing and Alex just said, hold my beer. Nice left turn Justin4Fun!

I was there, hooked up with a real cute guy from Seattle. Great times!!

👍 So I was put on time-out by Justin4Fun or as I like to call him Justin4DJB. And I decided that 18 hours is long enough to be punished for only showing him that he was the author of his own discomfort. And since he did put me in punishment for such an unfair crime, I'm going to bash him in the nuts. And before you accuse me of certain things, I'm sure his nuts are perfectly nice, polite, and probably even give to charity. Well, I'm none of those things so I'm gonna get to bashing. Originally, my plan was to never comment on Book Three, I was going to read Book Four and then comment. But once I got to Chapter Three of Book Four, the following came out and since it mostly deals with Book Three, I am breaking my word that I gave each of you privately and without your knowledge, and I'm going to leave a review for Book Three. Hopefully while bashing Justin4Fun in the nuts. This might get a bit long, but I think he has big nuts and can take the beating. Double entendre intentionally used. As I finished reading Book Three last night, I saw a disturbing pattern slowly start to emerge. A pattern I think gives me unfettered access to the mind of Justin4Fun. I think I can say more than a few things and have them be more than guesses. Or in some cases, outright lies. We know the author can write compelling characters. We know his take on vampire lore and the genre itself is really remarkable and fun. He breathes so much new life into all the tired tropes by throwing them out the window and giving us things we don't even want. Think about the power of this statement, he has woven such an outstanding narrative about vampires with almost no vampirery things happening. Not only are we reading a vampire story with no vampires, he has made each of us crave more of the story. How is that even possible? I've already proven he hates infants. The first infant we encounter immediately gets murdered by the one person that's suppose to protect him. We know he hates machines. How? Five of the six people who have been allowed to die in this vampireless story has been killed by machines. I can honestly say and have evidence to back this up, a tractor ran over his foot when he was five leaving him with trauma that he has incorporated into this tale. We know he absolutely hates sex, and goes out of the way to make his characters decide to wait, or focus on other things instead of doing the dirty deed. And when he actually breaks down and gives us a bit of spicy narrative, he uses words like "seed", "release", "give him what I got". It's excitement instead of boner, erection, love hammer, or cock. I'm ashamed I had at first considering giving into my excitement and...well, you get the idea. We know that Justin4Fun (Justin4DJB) is obsessed with having his characters always be the smartest people in the room. We know this because every other paragraph Greg is having sofa's, chairs, or giraffes shifted around into semi-circles so they could have a management meeting or the occasional HR meeting. Yet these repetitious meetings is where he dribbles out bits of knowledge and interesting facts about his world from the head of his excitement. (See, I can do it too) We learn most about the plot and character in these mandatory meetings of drinking Bambi blood. The interaction of these characters is where this story really shines and gets the reader invested in this story. It's also where if you're not careful, he'll kick you right in the feels and your eyes will involuntarily leak your essence. (That might not have landed but I'll allow it). We also learn of overcomplicated solutions to rather easy problems there as well. The two that I enjoyed the most at the over-complication approach instead of reaching the easiest solution. The first is dealing with Brian's father, Jason. (Don't think I didn't notice that the only bad person in the entire story happened to be named Jason. Deny it all you want, but I'm positive it was directed at me) They discussed killing the man, they had over a two hour meeting where they enthralled Brian so he could discuss the situation logically instead of emotionally. And they decided to stage an intervention. After Josh's power emerged, Greg enthralls the man to forget that Josh attacked him. Why not just enthrall Jason (aka me) and instruct him not to be a bastard anymore? Problem solved in five seconds. The other one, that had me banging my head against the wall, was how far they went to find an excuse for Greg no longer wrestling. There was talk about breaking his arm, then later his wrist, then his leg was going to be broken, then they planned out this long drawn out rumor plot about the mob murdering his father and now wants to kill Greg even though all the evidence burned up in the accident. How about this, "Hey Coach, next year I'm attending Harvard, I need to focus on my studies so I won't be able to wrestle this year. Thanks, you're a peach, have some essence." And when they are not engaged in naked play, naked sleeping where no one even accidentally slips inside anyone else in their sleep, he gives us five or six pages in great detail the steps one would go to feed a vampire baby. Cut the baby feeding routine and give us some sex please. But no, instead of sex, he goes into one of the most touching scenes of the story thus far where Greg reads Charlie's thoughts. When he realizes that baby Charlie recognizes his father's and the role they will play in its life is another time when my eyes leaked my essence. How dare you make me care about a kid? As powerful and touching as that scene is, the one that solidified my love for this tale, was when he turned Josh and Chris. And yes, the author hit us over the head a few chapters earlier and we all knew that was going to happen. That's not foreshadowing by the way, that's shining a spotlight on.an event. And we all have come to realize that Justin4Fun is never going to allow on of his beloved characters to actually die, that scene was so brilliantly written it had even me believing the stakes were real. Knowing Greg is the only one that could turn someone successfully, him almost having to make the choice, Josh or Chris, was some really good prose on the page. Maybe Justin4Fun is so good he was justified in putting me on a time out. That doesn't mean the story is perfect, and there are lots of things I could complain about. Sometimes the narrative gets bogged down in mundane events, but while the circumstances may be mundane, the characters never are. It is very much a day in the life story. I think up to this point, there is not a single time jump in the story. The very real way that he teases a "cliffhanger" that turns out not to be a cliff hanger at all. But it made all of you wanting more didn't it. It is so well written you overlook these small things in your quest to go to the next chapter. And since this review is almost as long as the detailing feeding the baby scene, I'm going to end it by saying this. I don't think Justin4Fun (Justin4DJB) is actually a vampire. But if he is, I'm going to go on record and say he is a virgin vampire. But he's also a really fun author to read and I'm on the journey until the end. Thanks for two really good books!!

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