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Csr Discussion Day: Joe The Welder By Robert Rex


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Today's CSR discussion is all about Robert Rex's story, Joe the Welder. A very popular story from one of our newer authors, I thought this would be a great start for CSR's 2015! Did you guys like the contemporary romance? Make sure you share your comments below, as well as questions for Robert. He'll be here 'live' to talk with readers from 7 to 9 PM, CST, if you can make it. If not, remember, just leave your comments below and Robert will answer!

 

Who do you like best, Jerry or Tom?
Hm....Starting off with a tough question! Tom, I think. He's like me and lots of us: despite our plans and schemes and best efforts, things rarely go as planned. He's the lovable klutz who, despite his rivalry with Jerry, still maintains a solid relationship with him.

 

The truth is, it takes both of 'em to make it work. So I may hafta rethink my answer!

 

Do you eat your fruits and vegetables?
Yes. I grew up in a small rural town in north Louisiana. My family had an interest in a small farm, and it was easy access to good fresh stuff. Spoils you, though. Once you have truly fresh food, grocery store items will never do it for you again! Thankfully, I live in a rural area just north of New Orleans, so still have pretty easy access to the good stuff. Try a fresh, vine-ripened tomato, still warm from the sun, and tell me it can get better than that!

 

Are you a person who makes their bed in the morning, or do you not see much point?
Yup, bed is made as soon as I roll out of it. Kinda forces me to keep the rest of the room a little neater if the bed is made. I'm not a neat-nic by any means, but it kinda helps me think the day has started out a little more organized. And it's a luxury for me to climb into a made bed at night—like it's waiting just for me.

 

What first brought you to GA?
“Joe” is my first story based on a dare from a drinking buddy, and I'd published it on another site—one far more erotic than GA. It's a good site, but I wanted more. I wanted stories that focused on the story, and treated sex as an integral part of the story—not it's exclusive focus. I'd gotten 40 or 50 emails from readers at that site with generally positive reviews, but I wanted more. I wanted to be able to find out how many people had viewed/read the story, and that let them have easier ways of commenting than just by email. (Yeah, we're lazy, and creating an email isn't something most people will do. And yeah, I'm like most writers on here who crave input.) Finally, although I was pretty much happy with “Joe”, I certainly realized that I needed help and resources to nurture what I'd discovered to be the rewarding and challenging experience of writing.

 

GA offers all of that. I get to read great stories where the plot matters and characters become real, not just rough outlines for sexual purposes only. I get to have metrics on my writing and an easy way to get reader feedback—or give my feedback. And God knows, help is available from every direction if I'm smart enough to take advantage of it—from editors, to beta readers, to friendly people who'll point me in the right direction for research. And most of 'em aren't “word Nazis” who beat you over the head with their knowledge—they're really here and eager to help!

 

As an aside, I'd be in heaven if all the folks that read here on GA would start leaving feedback. The likes, the comments on the chapters and stories—all that makes a difference to the writers (especially me!). The “newbies” may feel intimidated by the quality or volume of the work here, but they got to GA with a love of reading and the reading skills that authors appreciate—and a newbie voice matters.

 

Do you have an author you consider a mentor?
Unfortunately, no. But it's like winning a Screen Actors Guild award on those occasions when I get reviews (critical comments included) from authors here. The opinions of the heavy hitters, those prolific, incredibly talented writers here provide both encouragement to keep writing, and motivation to “up the game” in terms of writing quality—and the fact that they're commenting on your work (especially if they point out good things) is a thrill. It's the recognition of what you hope will be a peer group.

 

I have gotten encouragement from several writers here....and Carlos Hazday had read “Joe” on the other site, and encouraged me to port it here—so blame him! <grin> I'd been concerned that “Joe” was far more erotic than the usual fare here, but Carlos reassured me to press on. And OKFlash735 and I had built a friendship from the other site, and when I discovered GA, he encouraged me to publish it here, too.

 

I'd hope that all the authors here would make a point to not just read, but comment on, works of new writers here. Based on my own experience, you'll never know the impact you'll make to encourage a “newbie” writer!

 

Is there anything you find particularly challenging when writing?
Yes—sex. Although I've “been around the block” (stop those giggles!), and I like to think I pretty much know what I'm doing, there's a world of difference being doing and describing. And sexual descriptions without bringing in emotions or all of the senses is dull to do, and dull to read about.
I'd hope that sex scenes are hot because they're a complete picture of what's happening between partners; not just “insert tab A into slot B” descriptions.

 

The other issue is that I tend to write the way I talk/think. So as a result there are lots of commas, lots of parenthetical remarks, and lots of dashes and semicolons to break up the sentences. Hey, maybe it's indicative of ADD? Oh look, there's a squirrel... Anyway, the current trend in most writing seems to be to eliminate as much punctuation as possible, and that's not the way I speak or was taught to write.

 

Do you have any writing rituals?
Generally write in the mornings after a night at the bar. (I sell real estate full time, work in the local gay bar a couple or three nights a week. I'll take the following morning off from real estate to “recover” from the previous long day/evening at the bar.) Lots of coffee and a few cigarettes are critical to get the heart pumping and clear the head—I'm not a morning man even in the best of circumstances—and have got to happen if I'm gonna attempt to have something approaching quality writing. (If I could just set up a coffee IV, I'd be far more productive!)

 

I also take regular breaks—my brain runs faster than I can write—so I'll make notes on thoughts at the time, then walk away to get more coffee, grab a smoke, feed the washer, whatever. The writing seems to flow better if I give ideas time to “percolate”.

 

Was the choice of using the character’s name “Joe the Welder” deliberate instead of using another type of title?
It was deliberate. I used it as a tentative title, and it seemed right, since it was about the development/changes in Joe, and it stuck. As it turns out, it told a story of changes between Joe and Rex, and how they explored their emotions both verbally and sexually.
Looking back, I might not do it again. I think if you use a name/title in the story's title, your character has to be so compelling it drags the readers along through the end of the story. I'm not convinced my writing of a character is that good, so I'd seriously consider renaming the story.

 

Did the main character or a plot scene from the story come to you first?
The dreaded “chicken or the egg” question! I'm an observer of people, and it's especially fun in a bar. People will come in, I'll make up stories in my head about 'em from time to time. A guy stopped in the bar one night when I was bartending; nice guy and totally straight. (It's a bar kinda like a gay “Cheers”--everyone's welcome!) So my character was the starting point. Then later that night, when having an off-duty drink with a buddy there at the bar, he dared me to write a story. (“You always tell good stories, you need to write 'em!” Yeah, I'm the old-time bartender in the dark bar that everyone talks to, tells everything to, and interacts with as a friend/buddy.) The plot developed pretty quickly on its own from there.

 

What was your favorite part of the story?
I'm a sucker for a happy ending—so the last chapter really did it for me. I'm especially proud of the epilogue, since it really filled in the “ever after” part.

 

Having said that, the scene in the hospital with Rex standing by, helpless but faithful, was also a high point. Interesting to see this hard-boiled business guy reduced to base emotions—and to see how he allows his more human side to come through.

 

What are you currently writing?
I'm currently working on “Landfall”, in progress exclusively here on GA. It's the story of a straight guy, who after the accidental murder of his wife, falls for his FBI “handler”. It's a totally different story from “Joe”, far less erotic, far more nuanced, as the straight guy works through his emotions. Is he now gay? Is he bi? Is he straight, but gay in the circumstances? Is he only gay for his FBI handler? It's been an interesting story to write! And the characters are real enough to me that I feel like most of the time I'm not creating a story, I'm merely reporting it! I'm hoping the readers here will check it out, and give feedback on how I'm doing—I'm hoping they'll find my writing has improved since “Joe” was first published a few months ago and find the story interesting.

 

And Joe and Rex will appear in “Landfall” shortly, and may play a big role in the story line. You'll hafta read “Landfall” to find out the details.

 

What are your future projects?
I actually have several I'd like to explore.

  1. I'd love to do a story on a May/September romance between an early/mid-30s professional guy and his newly-found late 50s/early 60s or older lover. Ageism is rampant in American culture, and especially pronounced in LBGTQ culture. Think that story would offer lots of options for plot/character development, and be interesting to see the hurdles they have in building a long term relationship, including varied life experiences, expectations, and the range of emotions each man brings to the table. I've kinda got a working title, thinking at this point of “Lion's Lair”. (If older women are “cougars”, are older men “lions”?)
  2. I've got a science fiction story I've batted around—and it's so far beyond my comfort level it's intriguing to me. (Love sci-fi and have been an avid reader, but never attempted to write it, obviously, since “Joe” is my first story.) What happens when a disc (say from Voyager or another probe from a later time) is discovered in the ruins of a bombed out library on a far-distant world—and it's filled with music. What if all the music is trapped in the damage disc, and their disc reader can only read just a few bars of a haunting melody and vocal? What does the music say about the people of its originating planet? How does the music's discovery affect the people who discover it? And what does the storage of music say about those who curated it into the library? In my mind's eye, it'll be called “Earth Songs”, but still thinking that through—and trying to find the courage to start on it. And yeah, it'll have both action and romance in good measure.
  3. The other story line is set maybe 10 years down the road when gay marriage is fully in place. How does marriage affect the dating rituals of gay men? Does Grindr go away? What takes its place? If marriage is acceptable as adults, is there a simultaneously mutual change so that gay dating in high school becomes commonplace? Are there other impacts on society when two men (or two women) legally partner? Think there's a bunch of impacts to gay marriage we haven't really explored. This is still in the rough sketch stage, but you get the idea.


There are a couple of other ideas out in play, but those seem to be bubbling to the top right now. I'd love input on what readers think about those.

 


Thank you for such a great interview, Robert. Okay folks... I asked my questions, now share yours!

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I haven't yet had a chance to read Joe the Welder, but I love Landfall (and now I see that Joe & Rex are going to show up in Landfall!  I should probably stop and try to get to it next!).  There's just too many stories and not enough time to read them all!  I hope to get to it soon.  I'm sure it's wonderful.  I'd be interested in seeing which story you pursue next.  The Lion's Lair sounds interesting. :)

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I haven't yet had a chance to read Joe the Welder, but I love Landfall (and now I see that Joe & Rex are going to show up in Landfall!  I should probably stop and try to get to it next!).  There's just too many stories and not enough time to read them all!  I hope to get to it soon.  I'm sure it's wonderful.  I'd be interested in seeing which story you pursue next.  The Lion's Lair sounds interesting. :)

 

Mom, I hope you'll enjoy "Joe" when ya get to it...it's a far different story from "Landfall", which is far more nuanced, and not as erotic as "Joe". 

I'm still tossing around "Lion's Lair", think the recent experience of a buddy of mine triggered that.  Brian is 34, but he's met, fallen in love with, and a few months ago, moved in with his partner--who's 66.  Both professionals, both with good heads on their shoulders--but it's got me thinking (dangerous!) about what that kind of relationship offers--and demands of--each partner.

And you're right--there's too much here to read!  Is there some way we can get paid to be "professional readers"?  LOL!  I take that back...we enjoy reading too much, I'd feel guilty for taking the money!

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I like the main character Frank/Barry in Landfall. He's intelligent and sensible, he is in control of his actions and emotions, even when his life is turned upside down. When he does on occasion give in to sorrow or fear or the new and scary love he discovers, the whole situation is plausible and vividly depicted.

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I like the main character Frank/Barry in Landfall. He's intelligent and sensible, he is in control of his actions and emotions, even when his life is turned upside down. When he does on occasion give in to sorrow or fear or the new and scary love he discovers, the whole situation is plausible and vividly depicted.

Timothy, glad you're enjoying "Landfall"!  I think part of Barry's appeal is that he's like so many guys we know (and we may be!) who are trained to always be "in charge" of their actions/emotions--and then find it a revelation when those emotions are released.  And, when they ARE released, he uses the same skills to manage them he'd used in his business or other parts of life. 

It's an honor that you find the situations both plausable and vivid. 

Thank you for that compliment--and thanks for following "Landfall".

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I read "Joe the Welder" and really enjoyed it.  I like your idea for the "Lion's Lair".  Actually, I like all the ideas you mentioned.  :)  I'll have to check out "Landfall". 

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I read "Joe the Welder" and really enjoyed it.  I like your idea for the "Lion's Lair".  Actually, I like all the ideas you mentioned.  :)  I'll have to check out "Landfall". 

Thanks, Valkyrie!  I was really worried that "Joe" would be too erotic for this site, but I've gotten good comments on the storyline so far--it's like the readers here just said, "Yeah, there's sex, but ....." and then focused on the story (thankfully!)

"Lion's Lair" may be a challenge.  Still thinking it through.  Plus, there's quite a bit more to the "Landfall story".

Thanks for reading "Joe"--and hope you'll enjoy "Landfall", too!

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I am thrilled to discover you tend bar. What is your opinion of the Moscow Mule? Valid cocktail, or meretricious gimmick?

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I am thrilled to discover you tend bar. What is your opinion of the Moscow Mule? Valid cocktail, or meretricious gimmick?

LOL.  Got a bar fetish you wanna chat about?  <grin>  It's a fun job--but the real work is not just slinging drinks--it's what happens when the bar closes, and the patrons are gone--especially in a small bar.  Lots to be done!

Think it's a gimmick.  Not at all certain that ginger beer has the staying power for other adult drinks.  Ginger can also dull the palate, so not convinced the 2nd Mule is as good as the first.

But some are convinced ordering it makes 'em sound sophisticated...so it may hang around far longer than it deserves.

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Robert, I really like both stories -- "Joe the Welder" and "Landfall".

Two things particularly appeal to me about your writing.

You have an ability to develop characters fully in a gentle easy way that makes the reader identify with them and care about them. Presenting those characters as full, well-rounded people includes presenting their sexuality as a part of their character. You do write sex scenes incredibly well, but you are also able to capture the characters' sexual energy. That can be very difficult.

The other thing that I really love about your writing is the easy, conversational flow. It makes for a wonderful read.

I loved "Joe the Welder" and I am loving "Landfall". I'm eagerly awaiting the next chapter.

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Joe was an interesting character, to say the least, with an unusual way about him. Oh hell, I found him to be a bit odd, all right?! Was there something, or someone, that prompted the character?

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Well, thanks, OK!

I appreciate your saying that about the characters and their "human-ness".  One of the comments I got --which I really appreciated--was that "these are guys I'd like to go out and have a beer with".  Think that's high praise, and your comments ARE high praise.

The conversation part is scary, only because with the characters, I'm "hearing voices in my head"....I'm feeling like they're real people, and all I'm doing is reporting on what they're doing.  Wish I could understand how that works, but trust me, I really don't need psychotropic drugs!  LOL!

Glad you're enjoying the stories.  There's more to come on "Landfall", and think you probably saw the comments I made above about potential story lines.  I'd love your input!

THANK you for the encouragement and good thoughts--they make a real difference and are appreciated far more than you know!

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Joe was an interesting character, to say the least, with an unusual way about him. Oh hell, I found him to be a bit odd, all right?! Was there something, or someone, that prompted the character?

Actually, yeah, there was, Ron.  Met a guy one night, and in a flight of fantasy, made up a "history" on him....where he was from, what he did, etc.  When later dared by a drinking buddy to write a story, that character and made up history clicked.

Lemme ask---what'd you find "odd" about him?  Details, please!

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Was there a specific part of writing Joe the Welder that stands out as more difficult than the rest? Other than just the sex scenes. LOL :lol:

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Was there a specific part of writing Joe the Welder that stands out as more difficult than the rest? Other than just the sex scenes. LOL :lol:

LOL....I'm going to have to thing about that.  Since it was my fist story, Mann, it was all pretty tough! 

I originally thought about killing Joe off when he was in the hospital.  I hadn't gotten a lot of responses at that point from readers of the other site, but glad I hung on there.  (And yeah, that was a side remark...I'm stalling for time.)

Perhaps the toughest part for me was doing dialogue with the kids that are in the story.  Took a while to mentally get that right.  Early attempts were too formal (on the part of the kids responses) or had the adults sounding like (in my head) they were talking down or doing baby talk stuff.

What's the line about never working with kids and animals?  <grin>

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Hey Robert!

 

Great interview!

 

I haven't had a chance to check out your two stories, but they seem really interesting, and based on what everyone else is saying, they sound like a must-read. :)

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Hey Robert!

 

Great interview!

 

I haven't had a chance to check out your two stories, but they seem really interesting, and based on what everyone else is saying, they sound like a must-read. :)

Thanks, Lisa!

The interview and questions tonight have been fun!

Hope you'll get a chance to read the stories.....and hope you'll like 'em!

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Robert,

Due to ill children and other household issues, I wasn't able to be here when this was "live"  I do hope though that you'll see this.

I loved "Joe" I love the way  you write.  I don't think that the parenthesis, and dots, and semi colons are at all a sign of ADD!  They are apparent in our daily conversations and the pauses and deep breaths we take when we talk face to face.

I appreciate the gentleness with which you bring the story along. I also appreciate the honest, open, caring in your love scenes.  I'm not here for a quick turn on.  I am a sucker for a sappy love story, I love a good tear inducing soap opera, and happy endings should come with laughter and happy tears!

I'm really enjoying Landfall now.  I can't wait to see how Rex and Joe help Dave and Barry.  With all that Rex and Joe have gone through, they will be great friends/resources for our agent and his "charge"  

I love the idea of your May/September romance!  I know some of those couples!  

I'll stop the verbal diarrhea and this "fan-girl" note by saying simply, if you write it, I'll read it!

 

Chris  "mollyhousemouse"

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Robert,

Due to ill children and other household issues, I wasn't able to be here when this was "live"  I do hope though that you'll see this.

I loved "Joe" I love the way  you write.  I don't think that the parenthesis, and dots, and semi colons are at all a sign of ADD!  They are apparent in our daily conversations and the pauses and deep breaths we take when we talk face to face.

I appreciate the gentleness with which you bring the story along. I also appreciate the honest, open, caring in your love scenes.  I'm not here for a quick turn on.  I am a sucker for a sappy love story, I love a good tear inducing soap opera, and happy endings should come with laughter and happy tears!

I'm really enjoying Landfall now.  I can't wait to see how Rex and Joe help Dave and Barry.  With all that Rex and Joe have gone through, they will be great friends/resources for our agent and his "charge"  

I love the idea of your May/September romance!  I know some of those couples!  

I'll stop the verbal diarrhea and this "fan-girl" note by saying simply, if you write it, I'll read it!

 

Chris  "mollyhousemouse"

Aw, thanks Chris!  <blush>

I'm like you---I'm a sucker for happy endings!  I really work hard to make the stories as realistic as possible--both in the way the characters talk, their accents, their responses, and their emotions.  I'm glad you "get" the writing style and the characters.

THANK YOU for the comments!  You've made my writing easier today!

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