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Change of Heart - 38. Chapter 38

Edited for grammar and punctuation on 16 December 2017.
I never like using a reader's input in my stories without giving proper credit. Nathan offered some serious insights to this chapter, which I incorporated. There is a part that relates an experience of Doc, a six-year-old boy. It is from a comedy routine from an Irish comedian, Dave Allen. I like to think he would have been flattered to know part of his routine lives on.
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Jeff was hardly surprised by the number of texts and missed calls on his phone. He would have slept into the afternoon if Sam had not pounded on their bedroom door insisting that he call his Aunt Mellie through FaceTime so she could see he and Paul were unharmed. Uncle Joe, Raymond, and Ilya had been satisfied with Sam’s report of the previous evening's events. But, Mellie wanted to see their faces before she would be convinced they had not been harmed. She had already grilled Sam and insisted on seeing Dave’s bandaged arm.

Jeff had no qualms about calling his Aunt Mellie from the bed. Once she was reassured that her boys were well, she reminded them to call later and speak to Maria, the Princess didn't know about the shooting, she just missed her Daddies. Once a bleary-eyed Paul entered her view and offered greetings, Mellie became somewhat flustered and hastily ended the call. Paul said, “Do you think it only just occurred to her we might be naked after she realized we were in bed together”?

Jeff chuckled, “I think she would have chatted with us both with massive erections on display if it meant that she could know we were both unharmed. As to naked, in bed together… now that’s definitely a winning combination.”

What started out as two young horney men coming together, built in intensity with an unspoken, but shared the awareness that, again, they had been in a potentially deadly situation and come away unscathed.

After both men collapsed in complete surrender, Jeff asked, “Do you think we have enough security? I mean, since we met, we’ve been in more dangerous situations than most career policemen ever experience.”

“Cowboy, If you think about it, we’ve met threats that could have been disastrous for each of us. I’m no expert, but it seems to me that we’re pretty well protected as we are. Sam, Dave, and Fred are like extended family. Adding more to the mix probably comes under the law of diminishing returns. More doesn't always mean better. We have Tink and Ilya and their guys in reserve. I just don't see how we could be better prepared for any contingency. We could discuss it with Uncle Joe, Raymond and Ilya if it would make you feel better. I think securing the ranch and keeping our guys within reaching distance is about the best we can do. I refuse to become some Howard Hughes recluse. Though the thought of being sequestered in a Las Vegas hotel with only a bunch of hunky Mormons as bodyguards could offer a certain appeal. If, I didn't have you.” With an affirming peck on Jeff's lips, he continued, “I want Maria to have as normal a life as possible with school and friends. As it is, she accepts our guys as family. She may be the only kid who has a “manny” picking her up and dropping her off at school, but I want us to try and make her growing up as uneventful as possible. I think we just need to maintain a heightened level of awareness, just like every gay man in America should. I worry more about Maria suffering for having two dads than being the victim of a kidnapping for ransom.”

Jeff smiled as a random thought crossed his mind. He pictured Paul tearfully bidding their daughter farewell as she left for college. The smile faded as he realized he would be right there beside him, most likely, just as tearful. Clearing his throat, he offered, “I don't want her to be isolated because of money. She needs to learn, just as I did, the value of friendship without dollar signs. I don't like the idea of sending our kids to private schools. Like my Mother, I think we should be actively involved with our children's education and not just throw money at it. I have no problem with hiring tutors to fill in any discernible shortfalls, but, personally, I look forward to helping out with homework and science fair projects.”

Paul grinned, “You have all the makings of a great Dad. As to money, not many people know the extent of the Adams family wealth. I certainly didn't, and I’ve known Joe and Mellie for about two years.”

Jeff grinned unabashedly at the sincere compliment. “All that might change with Uncle Joe running for office. I’m not sure how much he has to reveal about his finances when he runs. Then again, his 'trumpiness' hasn't released his tax returns.”

Paul frowned at the mention of the president. “Well, we can't live in a cocoon. We already have more security than most families. I really think this discussion should be held in company with the experts. When we get home, let’s set up a meeting to discuss personal and family security.”

Jeff agreed and together they showered, dressed and went to seek coffee. Not only was there freshly made coffee, but a selection of breakfast sandwiches and pastries awaited them. After brunch, Jeff gave Sam and Dave time off to sightsee until tomorrow afternoon, at which time they would leave for the airport.

Shortly after noon, Jeff answered his phone. After a short discussion, he asked Paul, “Well champ, you ready for round two? Seems, Jackson, the guy you punched out last night is wanting to see you.” With that, came a firm knock at the door. Sam opened it to reveal a short, slight man with blonde hair and a bandaged nose. Paul’s first thought was, ‘Oh my god! I punched a kid in the face! He looked so much bigger last night.’

Almost as if he were standing on a stage, in the footlights and casting a huge shadow, Jackson was dwarfed from behind by Mark Bennington, one of Jeff’s Chicago security guards. The bandaged man’s persona was not what Paul expected from a “big city” attorney, certainly not comparable to either Jeff, Raymond or Bradley. He was obviously meek and apparently easily intimidated as he kept glancing over his shoulder at the massive bodyguard. Given the relative size difference, Paul didn't really blame him. Still, it was difficult to reconcile the man/boy before him with the sexual predator he had punched in the face the night before. Paul certainly didn't feel threatened by this guy, physically or otherwise. He couldn't imagine this guy forcing himself on any man… He was totally intrigued.

He insisted Jackson come into the living room and have some coffee. Once they were seated, Jeff asked, “Jackson, why are you here”?

Jackson, seated across from the couple, glanced at their casually clasped hands, then met Jeff’s gaze. “I wanted to apologize for my behavior last night. I’ve always known you were out of my league. I get really nervous being alone in social situations and I got really intoxicated and, well, uh, there you were.”

Jeff asked, “Do you make a habit of sucking cocks in public washrooms”?

Jackson looked appalled, “Of course not! I’ve only su…, uh, serviced four men in my life.”

Paul could sense there was more, “Jackson, what you did was wrong. But, I shouldn't have hit you. I am sorry I punched you.” After a pause and a sip of coffee, he continued, “I get the impression there is something you are not telling us. What were you thinking”?

Meeting Paul’s steady gaze, Jackson sighed, “For the last three years, I was in a relationship with, ah, a fellow employee.” He eyed Jeff as if expecting condemnation. “Often times he would text me to join him in the men’s room and I would, uh, suck him off. Pretty much the way I tried with you last night.

“I did most all of his work for him and he took all the credit. I thought he lo… felt something for me. I should have known. We never went out together. He only came to my place to spend time, no, he came over to use me for sex. I was never invited to his apartment, but he had his own key to my place. He would sometimes show up in the middle of the night, drunk and demanding sex. The few times I went out with my friends he would get very angry. I found out yesterday, he has accepted a job with a New York firm. He didn't even say goodbye. What’s worse is, he’s taking his live-in girlfriend with him. I suppose she didn't know about me, just like I didn't know about her. But, that’s no excuse for what I did. I’m sorry.”

Paul’s gaze met Jeff’s. Jeff asked, “Jackson, why were you closeted at work? Being gay there is not a problem. Being gay is a non-issue there, so why hide it”?

Jackson swallowed hard. “I knew it was a gay-friendly place before my initial interview. By the time I passed the bar and felt safe in my job, I began seeing him. We both specialized in tax law. He spent a lot of time with me, at least at work. We had lunch together a couple of times and then one night he gave me a ride home...” The pause implied Jackson was not simply dropped off.

He continued, “At first, I thought he was out. But then he insisted I not let anyone know I was gay. He ranted he was not a “fag” and people would think he was gay if they knew I was. Though, I never understood his assertion, given the things we did together. Some things he only let me do if he was really drunk. Jackson blushed as if he had shared too much. “He refused to talk about our sexual activities when he wasn't drunk or horney.”

As the afternoon wore on Jeff and Paul listened as Jackson shared his history. Raised by an unwed mother, he had been closeted but accused in high school. Coming out in college was a great relief. Freshman year, he began a relationship with his roommate that lasted through undergraduate school. Their senior year, the roommate fell in love, only not with Jackson. In law school, he met a fellow student whom he was sure was the one. Things were going great until that guy was killed in a boating accident the summer before their final year. It was the first time they had been apart more than a few days since they had met. Not long after joining the firm, he met his latest and last “entanglement”.

As Jackson was finishing his tale Jeff got a call from Doc. Jeff excused himself and moved to his bedroom to take the call. Doc was inviting Jeff and Paul to dinner at Doc’s place. Doc and Bradley were going to fix a light supper and thought they all would enjoy some quiet conversation in “a more casual, less stimulating environment”. After a short discussion with Bradley, followed by a discussion with Paul and Jackson, Jeff accepted the invitation, which was quickly expanded to include Jackson.

Jeff drove his Tesla and the car impressed both Paul and Jackson. Paul was also impressed with their security team. He knew they were being protected, but it was not obvious. He missed the camaraderie he felt with Sam and Dave. He silently wondered if that was how close-knit bonds developed in combat, learning that you could trust someone with your life?

The apartment looked like a comfortable family dwelling which happened to be perched atop a skyscraper. The view was breathtaking. Paul was not comfortable getting too close to the floor to ceiling wall of glass. He did, however, rib Jeff at every chance over Doc’s magnificent view. His first volley was, “Oh look, Jeff, you can actually see the lake.” Before Jeff could respond, Paul chortled, “Almost all of it.” Jeff blushed, Doc, Bradley, and Jackson chuckled.

Doc explained that his two sons were visiting friends overnight. “The boys will be upset they missed meeting “real live cowboys”. Bradley assured everyone that even though Doc’s housekeeper had the night off, Doc was an excellent cook. Doc explained that dinner was to be simply a Caesar salad, lasagna, and garlic bread. He stated the sauce was his maternal grandmother’s recipe. “She insisted I learn to cook and speak Italian. That meant I sailed through at least one language class and impressed a few young ladies.”

Bradley was, at first, cool toward Jackson. Jackson was anything but relaxed. Doc, sensing the discomfort, said, “If you gentlemen will excuse me, I need to move things along in the kitchen.” Paul decided to join him.

Sharing cocktails in front of a gas fireplace Jeff prodded Jackson to, again, share his story. By the time Jackson had shared his story, Bradley was comforting the younger man with a warm embrace. Bradley was patting Jackson on the back. “You know Jackson, your division head, Calvin, was getting suspicious of your friend’s work. He told me the man did excellent work, his research was impeccable. He just wasn't as comfortable or as knowledgeable with the information as he should have been. I wouldn't be surprised if the bastard didn't quit because he knew he was about to be found out and fired. I think you and I should have a talk with Calvin. I suspect he will be pleased that the bastard is gone and even more that you are the one to be valued.

“You did nothing wrong. You were simply helping a coworker. I personally think you exercised poor judgment, but everyone makes mistakes. I don't think gay people are any more or less trusting or loving than straight people. I think the lesson I learned from watching Jeff is that there is really no difference in people based on sexual orientation. Like all humans, we do our best and hope that our mistakes aren't too extreme and that we learn from and don't repeat those same mistakes.”

Soon everyone gathered around the dinner table. The conversation was convivial. Bradley offered, “Jackson, I certainly hope you consider coming out at work. I have discussed it with my significant other and we intend to announce our engagement as soon as my divorce is final.” Doc extended his hand and a loving smile to his fiancé.

Jackson swallowed hard. “I intend to come out to my coworkers first thing, well, right after I change the lock on my apartment door.” That got laughter around the table.

Jackson continued, “Seeing the four of you together gives me hope. I think I had become so desperate for love. I was willing to accept crumbs at the banquet. I struggle enough as it is.” As he looked at all the concerned faces. “I, I, I’m not on drugs or anything. I meant I struggle with not believing… in god. All my life I felt unworthy of god’s love. As a child, I accepted all the usual childhood myths, like the tooth fairy, the Easter Bunny and of course Santa Claus. I have never understood why my Mother perpetuated those fairy tales. The person I trusted most framed my childhood with some really big lies. At least to a child they were big.

“As I grew up, I realized that my faith actually condemned me for being different, for being gay. It didn't matter how good I was, I was doomed to hell. I began to study the Bible so much my Mother thought I intended to become a priest. I was actually looking for an explanation as to why I was gay, and what I could do to change. I wanted to learn why god made me, only to condemn me. I never “chose” to be gay. The more I learned, the more disenchanted I became. I think the reason law appeals to me is because the rules are more clearly defined. I learned that in Christianity, the rules are based on archaic fables that most often are adopted from earlier or even then concurrently existing religions. Certainly, all the major holidays are stolen from “pagan” religions that were still viable in the early days of Christianity.

“The spread of Christianity just like the spread of Islam was more dependent upon conquest by man, than by the hand of god. I think the attitude of most conquerors was religion was just a tool. I sometimes wonder… at what point does a priest or preacher realize it is all a farce. Does one have to become Pope to realize the only answer to any prayer is the echo in your head?

“I’m convinced that god is a made up construct that was and is used to better control the masses. If those in power don't like something they let god condemn it. My struggle is coming to terms with the fact that my individuality is based on genetics. Kind of like adding whatever is handy to make a pot of stew. I am, because people sexually reproduce, just as they always have. Not because some made up entity took a rib from his creation and invented intercourse. Whatever made me, made me gay. My struggle is in realizing I am perfectly capable of being a morally “good man” without any outside motivation or ulterior motive. Without god’s condemnation or the promise of eternal life.”

Jackson took a deep breath, he suddenly realized what he had said. “I’m sorry. I think I offended you or your beliefs. I didn't want you to think I was a drug addict or alcoholic or anything. I don't usually spout off like that. But, you guys seemed so accepting. I haven't experienced that in a long time and I just got carried away.” Everyone assured Jackson they were not offended.

Bradley took up the religious thread. “Religion never really bothered me. I just went along with the idea that I would eventually get to the point where god had more relevance in my life. I attended the family’s Episcopal church when I went home. Our particular church was not very accepting of gays. The mother of my two daughters was a frequent attendee and so my children have some religious instruction. I've always encouraged them to question the church’s dogma.

“As to the existence of god? That was a discussion I had on occasion and seemed more in keeping with college-aged philosophical discussions. That was until Doc shared his own complete lack of faith. I’ve known Doc for twenty years. I don't know a better man. I realized I always had, and still have, more faith and trust in him than I ever did in god. I began to question, not my beliefs, but my lack of commitment to my “professed” beliefs. I used to laugh at those TV evangelists with their “hair” and private jets. I remember thinking, ‘only a fool would accept him to be a spokesman for god. I’m glad my church does not have clergy like him’. At the same time, I held in some reverence a man who dresses in drag and condemns others who do. He also has a private jet… and his own country.

“Once I accepted that I was actually gay and especially after Doc and I became more than friends. I asked myself why I never got serious about my faith. I mean if heaven is the goal, why not live a “Christian” life? The answer is, I didn't really have any faith in religion. I just never examined my relationship with god closely enough to reject or accept his existence. I think it was easier to do whatever my family and friends were doing. I think if you asked the average guy on the street, his beliefs would reflect more of what his spouse, his family, his friends and those around him believed rather than what he had decided based on reason or personal experiences.

“If people actually practiced the basic tenants of their religion the world would be a much better place. It’s because people use religion primarily as an element of control.

"The advances in learning and science religions can claim, are far outweighed by the atrocities that history and the nightly world news lay at their feet. It actually staggers the imagination to consider how far advanced medicine might be, if not for religion insisting physical existence is just some kind of waypoint on our journey to heaven. Heaven is a place where we spend eternity doing nothing but going to more church.”

With a big wink at Paul, and in a surprisingly good imitation Jeff uttered, “Inconceivable!” Everyone laughed at the "The Princess Bride” reference. That seemed to end the topic and the discussion turned to lighter fare.

After dinner, Doc insisted the dishes be left for later, they adjourned to the den. The conversation became a sharing your history exercise. Doc was the last to share. “I think my parents did me a great disservice in not denouncing religion in my youth. I know that we all have different beliefs and experiences and I respect that. My Mom was a born-again fanatic. To me, god was a very real, malevolent spirit just waiting for an excuse to send me into everlasting hellfire. I never feared the devil. Even today I can’t conceive of Satan, he was always a myth to me. I feared my mother and god, not necessarily in that order. Much of my childhood was spent being punished to make me worthy of “god’s love”. I never experienced or ever believed in “god’s love”. To me, he was vengeful, mean and just waiting to punish me for any and every imperfection. If my mother and her church had realized I was gay, I am pretty sure I would have been labeled an abomination and most likely just disappeared. They would have probably claimed that I went to live with a distant relative.

“When I was five or six, a few years before my mother became a zealot who condemned the Pope as Satan incarnate, I attended my first funeral. It was a distant relative and I remember people gathered around the casket, suspended above the grave. The priest prayed and the last thing he said was, “In the name of the father, the son and the Holy Ghost,” At which time, the casket was lowered into the hole. For many years I was convinced that each time a Catholic made the sign of the cross they were saying, “in the name of the father, and of the son, and in the hole, he goes.” That got a chuckle from everyone.

“I knew at an early age that I was different. Looking back, I think it was not some innate awareness of my being gay, it was my awareness that I was a unique individual. I wanted to be like everyone else, just a sheep within the flock. Like the people who knew they were going to heaven. I felt at a very young age, I was doomed to hell. The Christians I knew spent more time condemning those who didn't believe as they did than they focused on their own fate in the afterlife. It was as though by vocally condemning others, they were more likely to enter the pearly gates. Almost like it was a competition in disparaging others like some very intense and extreme sibling rivalry.

“When I was in primary school, I had a classmate who had an imaginary friend. Now, I imagined all sorts of things as a child. In fact, I still do. But this kid imagined his “friend” was with him all the time, whereas, my imaginings dissipated when reality intervened, such as a call to dinner or bath time or when I put down whatever book I was reading. His friend was constantly present. I asked this kid, years later, whatever happened to his “friend”. He said it ended when he was climbing a tree in his backyard with his imaginary friend. He fell from the tree and lay injured. He asked his friend to go and get his mother. It was then the “friend” just disappeared. He finally made his way back to his house with a broken arm. He never saw his “friend” again.

“That conversation came back to haunt me as a teenager. It was as my grandmother lay dying while my mother begged god for help. I think she believed that if she prayed harder, god wouldn't dare take my grandmother, who was suffering miserably. I remembered wondering why my mother would want to keep my grandmother from entering heaven and concluding that her imaginary friend was no more helpful than the one who had witnessed my classmate's broken arm, God just has better PR.

“I have heard of “miracles”. I put them in the same category as UFOs, Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster. Medical miracles just display our incomplete knowledge and understanding of science and medicine. Just like ancient man made the gods responsible for the weather, earthquakes, and volcanoes. Our current lack of understanding of science still allows for some idiots to postulate creationism in the form of “intelligent design”. My belief is that intelligent design does not necessarily prove the existence of a deity who is interested in our day to day activities. Cataclysmic events are not the result of his direct intervention. There is absolutely no proof god exists, yet we cite or call upon our imaginary friend as if he were right there watching us fall from a tree or die from cancer or suffer the effects of a tsunami or a hurricane. There may be some positive aspects of religion, but from my perspective, I see it as more of an impediment to progress.

“The first five of the Ten Commandments are intended to cement the need for the priesthood. The last five are just common sense rules to live by if you want to function in any given society. Preachers and politicians who profess their “Christian values” are like leeches feeding on society with no more loftier goals than self-promotion and greed. Most preachers live better than their congregants and most politicians are more concerned with their reelection than their “public service”.

“Accepting my atheism was a struggle for me almost as much as accepting my homosexuality. I had a lot of baggage to contend with, not to mention my family. Today, I honestly don't know which is more reviled in this world, atheists or homosexuals. We don't hear much about atheists being victims of hate crimes, but then most hate crimes were ignored or covered up a generation ago. Most leaders give a nod to religion because it contributes to their own ends. That's why I truly fear men like the current Vice President who professes to be an ardent, committed believer. I consider him just another “opportunistic Bible scholar”. Someone who cites the Bible enough to support their opinion and disregards the rest. That man thinks he has god on his side and so acts with fervor to achieve his own and thereby his perceived “god’s will”. Folks like that refuse to accept any contrary "proof" that might challenge their beliefs.

 

After a few moments of contemplative silence, Jeff looked at Paul and began, “I think I was raised differently. My folks went to church because my mother had always belonged to that denomination. I think religion was like the ranch, it was just always part of my life. When I came out, my father refused to attend my mother’s church any longer. My mother agreed to attend the church my Aunt Mellie attended, which was accepting of gay people. After my parents died, I simply distanced myself further from the church and never much thought about it. I gave up praying once I accepted I was gay. I think I always felt something beyond myself. Even now, I feel like I shouldn't let go of my belief in some nebulous, ill-defined, divine entity. It’s almost like when I was a kid learning to swim. But, just like seeing other kids swimming and being comfortable in the deep end doesn't mean I was ready to join them. I think I still need to hold onto the edge of the pool. I heard all your viewpoints. I can't argue against them. Not at all. I like to think there is some kind of higher power. He smiled weakly at his lover."

Paul took that as his cue. “Christmas was always a disappointment for me. I try hard to make sure my, er, our daughter is never disappointed in Santa Claus. Being poor is never made more clear than at the celebration of Christ’s birthday. Isn't that the height of irony? It should be an oxymoron. Instead, it’s widely accepted, with a shrug, as simply a fact of life. Just like massive edifices of worship where people of wealth go to worship one who eschewed wealth. Many of these same “Christians” ignore the homeless and hungry on a daily basis. Yet act as though attending church will get them into heaven. They financially support their church but fight tooth and nail against taxes that might aid those less fortunate with food, shelter, and healthcare. Most “Christians” are like closeted gays. They pretend to believe so no one will see them as being “different”. I agree. Atheists are almost as reviled as gays in our society. I have always distanced myself from those who want to persuade me into believing as they do. In the end, I don't think it matters what an individual believes. I think it’s how you live your life. There're good people in any religion just as there are good people who are agnostic or atheists. I avoid church when I can. But, I admit it, I understand why people go. It strengthens our sense of belonging and fellowship. If I see someone I know from church, even in a strange setting, I feel more comfortable. However, Religion, as a whole, tends to isolate rather than to embrace any diversity. History shows religion embraces only true believers, tolerates converts and condemns or, in most cases, tries to subjugate or annihilate nonbelievers. As to heaven or hell? I believe death is just sleep without dreams… and that is the most restful kind.”

Silence settled over the group. After a few minutes Doc stood, gentlemen I can’t recall a more interesting of enlightening conversation. I feel as though we have shared a most delightful and somehow intimate evening. I think last night’s life-altering event has more to do with this evening's conversation than we realize. In any event, I ask you to join me in a toast.” Everyone stood and raised their glass. “To friendships, old and new. And to the New Year, may it bring us time with our friends and more friends in time.”

In spite of Doc’s protests, the kitchen was left spotless. As they were leaving Jeff arranged for his security team to see Jackson home. He noticed that Mark Bennington, who was looming over Jackson in the doorway earlier, was quick to volunteer. He also saw Jackson respond with a blush and a shy smile.

Some people have reacted negatively to this chapter. Some offered to pray for me. Please don't disturb your imaginary friend on my account. Least you feel personally offended by that remark, just know that ALL gods, spirits, ghosts, angels, demons, and pagan deities, et al, fall into the "imaginary friend" category.
Some said I was using this story and my characters as a way to push my beliefs. To those I say, have you never had a discussion concerning religion or one that questioned the existence of god? If not, why not, for heaven's sake. Are you too afraid of offending your imaginary friend? Or are you too afraid you might actually have to really evaluate your own beliefs?
Certainly believing as I do allowed me to better explore the experiences and perspectives of each character. I don't think a devout believer, without fearing eternal damnation, could write from such viewpoints.
I respect everyone's right to believe and worship, or not, as they see fit. If you can't allow me the same, I really don't care.
Thanks to Nathan,
Jim


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3 hours ago, sojourn said:

WOW! What a slam! Yet I find myself smiling. 

"To me that is the internal discourse of the uneducated" Ok, first off, I admit I am poorly educated. I further admit that I too sometimes skim paragraphs in even my favorite stories. I too enjoy history and visiting historical edifices. I certainly felt challenged in giving five characters their unique voice in order to share their experiences and resultant perspectives. It was probably one of the most challenging chapters I have ever undertaken. So I take no offense in your comments and in fact share in most of your views.... Except.

 I think dialogue concerning beliefs is critical, whether through characters or in real life. True, most Christians believe Moses actually took two of each animal onto the Ark. (I know. But it always humored me that most angry Christians missed that detail. Some have even said, "You're damned right Moses gathered the animals with god's help.")

 If hate filled preachers and ideologues are not challenged, their self serving dogma of hate could boil over into the very same situation we have with IS in the Middle East and around the world.

Jackson and the others weren't proselytizing. Their discussion centered more on the impact, mostly negative impact, organized religion had on their individual lives. Please note some of that negative impact had nothing to do with their being gay.

Dialogue maybe boring, but I think it is one way to reduce the likelihood of attacks such as Matthew Shepard suffered. Yes, I blame "Christian values", which devalue gays almost entirely, for having a supporting role in most all hate crimes and certainly for much of the discrimination gays have and do experience. If you think I single out Christians, just substitute, Judaism, Islam,  Mormonism or any major religion. I know there are denominations that embrace gays, but they are in the minority.

I also believe you probably skimmed over some of these paragraphs.

Thanks for sharing your insights.

Jim

 

Oh! dear! I really should have coffee before i write commentary.  Yes, I was a little harsh and abrupt.  You may be amazed to know that that was part of a much broad more encompassing response.  However the other parts were all left in my head.....

 

 

 

I apologise if I offended and I really want you to know that I skimmed NOT because the writing was bad (your writing is NEVER bad), but because I don't like the subject. I know full well there are those who can rave on, as you had your characters do, but this just makes me relieve arguments I have had with poorly educated bigots.  So all credit to your writing! but as I have said elsewhere - cardboard characters never make me angry!!

 

Anyway, if I offended I apologise - future comment will be 1) after coffee and 2) more considered!  

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21 minutes ago, Canuk said:

 

Oh! dear! I really should have coffee before i write commentary.  Yes, I was a little harsh and abrupt.  You may be amazed to know that that was part of a much broad more encompassing response.  However the other parts were all left in my head.....

 

 

 

I apologise if I offended and I really want you to know that I skimmed NOT because the writing was bad (your writing is NEVER bad), but because I don't like the subject. I know full well there are those who can rave on, as you had your characters do, but this just makes me relieve arguments I have had with poorly educated bigots.  So all credit to your writing! but as I have said elsewhere - cardboard characters never make me angry!!

 

Anyway, if I offended I apologise - future comment will be 1) after coffee and 2) more considered!  

YOU HAVE YET TO OFFEND ME! 

I again agree with your opinions. But, I believe that allowing ignorance, bigotry, fear and hipocracy to go unchallenged is a mistake. I include hypocrisy because Christians too often want everyone, but themselves, to follow Christ's example. They sing  "God Bless America"  while ignoring hungry children in their own city and deny basic health care to their fellow "Christian" citizens. Given their views on immigration they should sing a different anthem, "God Blessed America, helped me get mine (Therefore proving that he is a just and righteous god,.), now you get yours on your own".  Yeah, I bet Jesus is real proud of them.

Complacency is the greatest threat to democracy and the basic freedoms our founding fathers fought to ensure. Freedom of religion did not mean "freedom of only the Christian religion".

Dialogue, no matter how tedious or boring, is important even with "poorly educated bigots" as well as the better educated ones. Dialogue is the first line of defense against hatred, bigotry, fear and ignorance.

Remember you did say my characters tended to "rave on". Could you expect me to do otherwise?

Please know I have been sincere throughout our dialogue, you never once offended me.

Jim

 

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On 9/26/2017 at 11:17 AM, deville said:

So I'm late in reading and posting a comment , the chapter was extremely interesting, a persons esoteric views highlight , for me , a great deal of where that person may be evolving from or towards .Each of the characters have gained some substance from their beliefs . A thought provoking chapter. 

Your tardiness is forgiven😁

But Seriously, Thanks, I couldn't ask for a finer compliment than "a thought provoking chapter."

Thanks so much for posting your comments.

Jim

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On 9/28/2017 at 8:39 AM, JayT said:

Why did you feel the need to use your characters to preach your beliefs? The characters, with the exception of Jeff, all held similar viewpoints on religion which then segued into a subtle social commentary of your viewpoints. You used four different characters to tell us that you're a Democrat. What exactly drove you to use your characters like this? 

Strange that your take away from this chapter was that I am a democrat. Was anything I said, through my characters untrue?  But, then again it is fiction. I gather you do not agree with any of their perspectives nor identify with any of their experiences. I tried to make each man's experience unique and at least somewhat relatable. Based on the majority of comments and emails I have received, I feel I have accomplished that feat to some degree. My goal, in spite of what you choose to believe, was to have five characters discuss their experiences and beliefs and have them come across as separate and unique voices. Obviously you heard one voice, mine.

Your opinion that I am using my characters, in my story to "preach my beliefs" is wrong. While my beliefs and my experiences color what I write, surely I am not unique in that regard.

Is it not true that religions have historically oppressed gays and continue, even today, to deny that gays are a valid and valued minority.

As to republicans vs democrats, this nation currently has a two party system. One party, the Democrats, professes to support and embrace the "gay" minority and has proposed and enacted legislation demonstrating they support for gay rights. The other party, the Republican Party, has historically opposed any rights for any minority especially the gay minority. In fact their current senatorial candidate in Alabama has stated, "homosexual acts should be illegal". So you think, my gay characters should espouse opinions more supportive of those who would deny their right to even exist?

As a gay man, I am not offended when you label me a democrat? In America, to make your vote count on the national scene, you are either a Democrat or a Republican. A vote for a presidential, senatorial or congressional candidate from the Green Party, Libertarians or any other party is simply a wasted vote. If a gay man votes republican he is truly saying, "I agree with my fellow republicans. I do not deserve the right to love whom I choose." To me a gay man voting republican is tantamount to Jews supporting skin heads and the alt right. (Other than their freedom of speech.) Why would anyone vote for their own.... demise? (I hesitated to use "demise", but it summed up my views of the republican party's regard for gays.)

It is your right to disagree with me, and I respect and have defended that right. That discussion was one most thinking people engage in from time to time. If you have never questioned your beliefs or challenged why someone else believes as they do, then I encourage you to do so.

question everything.

Jim

btw, I am not a democrat.  I believe no one should be homeless, hungry, or ill clothed. I believe we should not be robbed by those who provide us with medicine, drinking water, electricity, fuel, cable and access to the Internet. I don't like the idea that my utilities make such a profit they can support charities and contribute to political campaigns and support lobbiest. I especially resent the fact that economic circumstances determines ones access to and the level of health care received. I think that makes me a socialist. IMHO, The Republicans take on the American dream is, "I got mine, now you get yours if you can, but don't expect any help from me for the "poor and huddled masses, yearning to be free" or minorities or gays or....ad infinium

 

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On 9/28/2017 at 1:19 PM, Nahrung said:

I have come to believe that spirituality and sexuality come from the same place within us. Religion is simply a group that shares the same spirituality. I don't confuse religion and spirituality although MOST DO!

I am beginning to embrace the notion that our future will ddiscard deities while embracing some form of spirituality. How interesting, you have shared your views, at this time, as I just today, sent an email expressing similar thoughts. (I think I just violated the common comma quota law.) You have certainly given me cause to consider the idea that sexuality and spirituality have a common source within us. 

Thanks for making me think.

Jim

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Discussions of religion can be interesting, informative, intellectual and ignorant....all at the same time.  And usually they become disjointed, with people trying to make points based on unfortunate personal experiences.  Just my opinion.

 

I read the chapter and the discussion and it was okay, but not profound and didn't make me like or dislike the characters.  Having lived a long time, I've read, heard, discussed, debated and thought about religion quite a lot.  Scientists and philosophers have often discussed just what it is that makes us human and my answer is that we tell stories.  History is a collection of stories.  Religion was a basis for organizing our stories and played a profound part in our developing human psyche over the past several millennia.  Therefore, I can't discount it.  

 

People entering into a relationship do need to discuss these things to be aware of where their partner is on the subject.  However, I don't really think it added a whole lot to the plot or the character development in the current story.  

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On 10/2/2017 at 12:26 PM, Daddydavek said:

Discussions of religion can be interesting, informative, intellectual and ignorant....all at the same time.  And usually they become disjointed, with people trying to make points based on unfortunate personal experiences.  Just my opinion.

 

I read the chapter and the discussion and it was okay, but not profound and didn't make me like or dislike the characters.  Having lived a long time, I've read, heard, discussed, debated and thought about religion quite a lot.  Scientists and philosophers have often discussed just what it is that makes us human and my answer is that we tell stories.  History is a collection of stories.  Religion was a basis for organizing our stories and played a profound part in our developing human psyche over the past several millennia.  Therefore, I can't discount it.  

 

People entering into a relationship do need to discuss these things to be aware of where their partner is on the subject.  However, I don't really think it added a whole lot to the plot or the character development in the current story.  

I think you unintentionally validated this chapter when you stated, "People entering into a relationship do need to discuss these things to be aware of where their partner is on the subject." Jeff and Paul had yet to discuss their personal views on religion. This chapter allowed them to gather some insights into their partner's perspectives and beliefs.

 

In stating that telling stories is a uniquely human characteristic you observed that, "History is a collection of stories." Everything we cannot personally, physically verify and validate is essentially a "story". Hence we read or watch "news stories".  Documenting history has never been a real priority, that is why history has most often been written by the victors. "Religion was a basis for organizing our stories and played a profound part in our developing human psyche over the past several millennia.  Therefore, I can't discount it."  I won’t comment on, "Religion was a basis for organizing our stories". I do not "discount" religion. I am just not convinced that it has been or, more specifically, continues to be a boon to mankind. The "human psyche" (soul, mind or spirit) has developed little over the last few millennium,. Ancient Greeks were no less intelligent or spiritual than modern man. The real difference is the amount of stimuli the average human, of either time period, could expect to receive. I believe it would have been more accurate to state that 'religion has been a constant throughout the history of mankind'. But then one could say the same about disease, pestilence, warfare and greed. We can all condemn them, and yet mankind has persevered and advanced socially even with such dreadful constants.

Thanks for posting your comments.

Jim

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 I’ve enjoyed your story for some time and, while I have not previously commented,  I feel compelled to do so now after reading your comments regarding some readers’ reactions to this excellent, intelligent, and thought-provoking chapter.   I’m dismayed that readers in this forum, of all places, seem threatened by diverse views on religion.  They may have meant well, but offering to “pray for you“ seems presumptuous and insulting in this context.

 

Aside from the obvious proposition that an author must be free to express whatever viewpoint he wishes through his characters, it also bears repeating that we live in a diverse, pluralistic society in which many of the (U.S.’s) founders were wary of the role of religion.   While the establishment clause of the First Amendment applies to government, rather than private, action, it does set an important framework for our society at large - and completely belies the popular evangelical/FOXNews/“alternative facts”  falsehood that this is a “Christian nation“.   Reagan used to like to glibly state that the Constitution guarantees “freedom of religion, not freedom from religion“.   He was wrong: it actually guarantees both, if one so chooses.

 

 Those who elect to believe in a religious tradition deserve respect, but they must in turn respect those who don’t. The reluctance - or even refusal - to engage in thoughtful discussion and introspection regarding those beliefs does a disservice to them and betrays a lack of confidence in them.  To me, an unexamined life is superficial and vacuous.

 

 Sorry for the soapbox; this really hit a nerve. 

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As you may well imagine, I looked forward to reading another comment on this particular chapter with some trepidation. It was a real pleasure to read such a well thought out, articulate, and intelligent comment. Especially since it was so supportive. Not blatantly supportive of my views but more of my right to freely express those views. 

Consider how friendly and receptive this group of readers normally are. They are more restrained in their expressions than emailing readers from my same postings on Nifty. I can't imagine the reactions this chapter would get from a group of straight, right-wing, born-again, moral-majority, and dare I say, homophobic trumpeters.

(Warning: the remainder may prove, long, pointless and boring.)

My first story was inspired by the pain of personal loss. As I was recently reading it again, it moved me. When I finished it, I was truly proud that I had created that story. I know my work is not really noteworthy when compared to mainstream fiction. Hell, I rank myself barely above average on the "Nifty'll post anything" scale of erotic gay fiction. The conviction that I could turn out better stories than most of those found on Nifty is what inspired me to post in the first place.

 

Now, for this story: The story was fairly well received and had a decent following. I had written a well thought out explanation for Paul to explain to his five-year-old child why people believe and teach their children to believe in the myth that is Santa Claus. Personally, I believe it is wrong for so many reasons. Back to my point, someone whose opinion I respected insisted that I not "rob a five-year-old". I capitulated, and rewrote the entire scene and even provided a "Yes, Virginia there is a Santa Claus" moment. Readers loved it.

But, I was bothered. Bothered that it was incongruent with my real feelings and more importantly incongruent with what I thought my characters feeling were regarding this particular subject. I had supported a belief in fiction, through the eyes of my principal characters, to which I had long been opposed. The praise and positive comments seemed hollow.

Eventually, I would decide to write what "I" felt my characters might actually feel regarding any subject or action that came up. Hence, this chapter. While I may never write a story I feel is as good about as my first, I want at least not to be embarrassed by what I post. 

Thanks for commenting.

Jim

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4 hours ago, Kaimuki said:

I’m sorry to feel the need to dismiss my beliefs as being imaginary. I fully accept that you see them as such,  but to state it as factual is demeaning to many millions of people worldwide. It is equivalent to saying that as a non-believer your life is forfeit. That’s also ridiculous.

 

"I’m sorry to feel the need to dismiss my beliefs as being imaginary." I challenge that you feel "sorry". I wouldn't presume to tell anyone "how they feel". You may regret I stated my beliefs, but I hardly think they brought you feelings of sadness.

 

"I fully accept that you see them as such,  but to state it as factual is demeaning to many millions of people worldwide." 

You think stating my beliefs "as factual" is somehow not a good thing. And yet, I get the impression that your beliefs should be regarded as "factual" by everyone. Is that not the case?You didn't say, but, I hear beliefs touted as gospel on TV, Books, Movies and even erotic gay fiction. In fact, the "Christian" ideals are almost synonymous with American culture, in word only. Self-identifying as a Christian is all but essential to winning political office in America and selling used cars.

 

Would you knowingly vote for an atheist? I have voted for many Christians in my time and will do so again come mid-term.

 

I seriously doubt that "many millions of people" see my lack of belief as demeaning to them. Offensive, perhaps, In fact. "many millions of people" would have my head for even expressing my disbelief. (Do you count Muslims in your many millions?) 

 

What exactly do you think I advocate? I advocate nothing.

 

"It is equivalent to saying that as a non-believer your life is forfeit".  That needs some serious clarification. Have you ever heard of the "Spanish Inquisition"? When I traveled in the Middle East, I was advised not to mention that I was a Christian. That advice was not meant to prevent some international argument. 

 

Just because I believe death is "sleep without dreams" doesn't diminish my appreciation for all living things, including those with other beliefs. Personal integrity and honesty are important to me. Respect for others is certainly a lifelong hallmark. In the past, my lack of belief has colored how some people responded to me. More than a few have spurned my friendship and made it clear I should not look to them for any help. Obviously, not everyone feels that way.  My friends and family don't all share my beliefs. That doesn't mean we have less regard for one another.

 

Do you, as a believer, feel threatened by my words? Let me share this... I don't tell many people I am gay, mostly out of fear. I would feel less endangered announcing I was "gay" in a crowd than to announce that I was an "atheist" in that same crowd. 

 

A reader emailed the other day, "gays like you are trying to destroy white American males. You don't realize we made this Country. Minorities are just looking for something for nothing."  He also said, he "felt too threatened to readily reveal he was a Christian to any stranger today. Primarily, because of people like you." Personally, I would think he was just "too embarrassed" and not "threatened" in any sense of the word. I used the word "threatened" to accurately to describe my fears.

 

I responded, "White American males" have been in charge for centuries. That is why it was called the "Civil Rights Struggle", who do you think blacks were struggling against? If you insist, and you do, on taking credit for the good in this Country, you should be adult enough to accept the rightful blame and acknowledge that which is less than good and work to improve that." 

 

I broke down his email and responded to every issue. He has yet to respond. Frankly, I am willing to bet he doesn't. Why,? because he wasn't using any "facts or logic. He was just angry that I presented ideas that challenged his "accepted" beliefs.  In presenting his views, he relied on anger,  bullying, and misrepresenting facts. (Too bad we can't say "lies" anymore.) If you wish I have no problem sending the text of his email and my response,  sans his address, of course.

 

I suppose all that could be summed up by saying, "I don't think you only felt sad at reading my "imaginary friends" statement.  I think you were offended.  My beliefs are just as valid as yours. Neither of us is in a position to prove our beliefs are "factual", even if your beliefs are more popular, at the moment.  According to Google, "non-believers" make up the third largest group of religions right behind Islam with Christians being the largest. Apparently, a lot of people don't agree with your beliefs.

 

Thank you for posting your comment.

Jim

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I only meant that your statement that God is imaginary is very different than saying “I believe god is imaginary.”  I have a number of very dear friends who are either agnostic or atheist.  And yes, I have voted for Athirsts, Jews, Buddhists, and Baptists. Maybe even a Catholic or Mormon as well. I don’t believe I’ve ever had an opportunity to vote for a Muslim or Baha’i. 

 

We we don’t all hear the voice of God as professed by Jerry Falwell or Oral Roberts. The baptismal vow I took admonished me “... to respect the dignity of every human being.”

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22 hours ago, Kaimuki said:

I only meant that your statement that God is imaginary is very different than saying “I believe god is imaginary.”  I have a number of very dear friends who are either agnostic or atheist.  And yes, I have voted for Athirsts, Jews, Buddhists, and Baptists. Maybe even a Catholic or Mormon as well. I don’t believe I’ve ever had an opportunity to vote for a Muslim or Baha’i. 

 

We we don’t all hear the voice of God as professed by Jerry Falwell or Oral Roberts. The baptismal vow I took admonished me “... to respect the dignity of every human being.”

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I am glad to see that you do not limit your political affiliations based on religion. It is rare, almost unheard of to have a candidate for any office run openly as an atheist. I just googled the list and it is extremely short and that list included many dead ones  and did not limit itself to elected officials.

"I only meant that your statement that God is imaginary is very different than saying “I believe god is imaginary.”  Am I being presumptuous in saying that you often, in word and deed, say that "god is real"? Can you not see that your saying "god is real" is very different than your saying, "god may be real"?

I see that statement as asking me to modify my beliefs in such a way that you would not. I will be glad to say that "god may be imaginary" if you can say "god may be real".

Keep in mind, I had previously stated that neither of us had empirical or scientific evidence sufficient to validate the existence or non-existence of any deity.

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22 hours ago, sojourn said:

I am glad to see that you do not limit your political affiliations based on religion. It is rare, almost unheard of to have a candidate for any office run openly as an atheist. I just googled the list and it is extremely short and that list included many dead ones  and did not limit itself to elected officials.

"I only meant that your statement that God is imaginary is very different than saying “I believe god is imaginary.”  Am I being presumptuous in saying that you often, in word and deed, say that "god is real"? Can you not see that your saying "god is real" is very different than your saying, "god may be real"?

I see that statement as asking me to modify my beliefs in such a way that you would not. I will be glad to say that "god may be imaginary" if you can say "god may be real".

Keep in mind, I had previously stated that neither of us had empirical or scientific evidence sufficient to validate the existence or non-existence of any deity.

 

I may be an atypical believer, but I do not insist that God is real to anyone. My faith has played an important role in accepting myself as a gay man. My faith is very real -(yet often questioned / re-examined by me) - but I am well aware a belief in God, or a belief in the same image of God I have is far from universal (especially in the LGBT community) and I do not believe anyone is called to throw their beliefs in someone else’s face. Sure, everyone who knows me knows it’s an important part of my life. Most know that I am more than willing to share why that is so. But I don’t know as I’ve ever walked up to anyone, friend or stranger, and told them they need to find ——— to fulfill their life. I don’t believe that is what the “great commission” as Christians call it is all about. 

 

I hope you understand im enjoying this exchange, although I’m not sure how far off track we have gotten from an interesting and superbly crafted story. 

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3 hours ago, Kaimuki said:

 

I may be an atypical believer, but I do not insist that God is real to anyone. My faith has played an important role in accepting myself as a gay man. My faith is very real -(yet often questioned / re-examined by me) - but I am well aware a belief in God, or a belief in the same image of God I have is far from universal (especially in the LGBT community) and I do not believe anyone is called to throw their beliefs in someone else’s face. Sure, everyone who knows me knows it’s an important part of my life. Most know that I am more than willing to share why that is so. But I don’t know as I’ve ever walked up to anyone, friend or stranger, and told them they need to find ——— to fulfill their life. I don’t believe that is what the “great commission” as Christians call it is all about. 

 

I hope you understand im enjoying this exchange, although I’m not sure how far off track we have gotten from an interesting and superbly crafted story. 

I have said it before... "I am so easy." You say flattering things about my story and I just forget anything else you might have said. 

 

You have shared how faith has helped you to adjust to living as a gay man. I know how comforting faith can be when there is nothing else to hold onto. Giving up your faith is not something I would encourage if you need it to function. Religion can be a very welcomed, comforting and even necessary crutch.

 

My experience is just the opposite of yours. When I came out,  I realized I had been wasting my life trying to mold myself into something that god and man 'might' find acceptable. No matter what success I had, IMHO, excelled physically, intellectually and professionally. Still, I knew I was not a "normal" man.  Finally, I realized  I was a perfectly normal man with imperfections who just happened to have been born gay. I was very active in the church. I delivered sermons and taught Sunday school for years. I can't imagine a day or two went by without my praying to be made "normal".  I was sexually and emotionally faithful to my wife for twenty-three years. NO, it was not a simple flip of a switch. It was a very painful process to finally realize I had been praying to and preaching about "imaginary friends". When I prayed and listened, I know now that I heard nothing except the echoes in my mind. (That is why I worry about the Pope and George W. Bush they both believe they have god's ear. Some televangelists are just power hungry money grubbing, liars.)

 

That cathartic episode occurred over twenty years ago. I have yet to see a single reason to regret coming out or to regret giving up on my "imaginary friend".  I can honestly say, "I wish I had done both years earlier."

 

I won't deny your right or even your need to believe in some higher power. But, I won't pretend that I don't know better. 

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