7 minutes ago, Mikiesboy said:

Rules are guidelines....write it your way.

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That’s the plan.  I think having awareness is good.  Actively deciding where it works and where it doesn’t is really what I’m after now.

Thanks, tim.

I've read Camp Refuge, and while yes you do head hop, a lot of it was necessary to tell the story properly.  If you didn't get into each characters head at different times you would have had a lot more telling than showing, and that's a bigger faux pas!

Having read it, I agree that the story would loose something if you tried to do that -- not to mention that would go well beyond a hard edit.  😉

Haven't read the story, yet, but planing to.

As for head-hopping. Most of my long-form stories are exclusively in 3rd-person-omniscient with head-hopping. I like that format for long-form because it gives me the freedom to do what I want with each character having their own thoughts. It's a fun perspective to write from, because you can get into the mind of each of your characters in a scene and know what they are doing.

3 hours ago, Kitt said:

I've read Camp Refuge, and while yes you do head hop, a lot of it was necessary to tell the story properly.  If you didn't get into each characters head at different times you would have had a lot more telling than showing, and that's a bigger faux pas!

Ah, I didn't know you had read that one, Kitt!  Thanks for the comments.  I think it could have been done, but I think you're right... it would have been a lot of telling (some is okay), and I like to leave the reader with the emotional impact of what the character is really feeling, and not the perception of what the character is feeling through the eyes of another.  If that makes sense...

3 hours ago, Fae Briona said:

Having read it, I agree that the story would loose something if you tried to do that -- not to mention that would go well beyond a hard edit.  😉

Yes!  I got to chapter three and realized as soon as Mason, Greg and Clay all began interacting that it'd be a very tough rewrite.  It truly would be a rewrite!  That's just not what I want to do.  Thanks for the comments, Fae!

I agree with what everyone else has said. Having read Camp Refuge if you were to change it to much, it would lose that emotional impact that you have between the characters. The emotional impact is what makes it a great story, because of the topics that you have covered.

i told you it was my favorite of yours, guess i'm not alone in that @Wayne Gray write it how it comes out 💙

2 hours ago, BHopper2 said:

Haven't read the story, yet, but planing to.

As for head-hopping. Most of my long-form stories are exclusively in 3rd-person-omniscient with head-hopping. I like that format for long-form because it gives me the freedom to do what I want with each character having their own thoughts. It's a fun perspective to write from, because you can get into the mind of each of your characters in a scene and know what they are doing.

Thanks for the comment!

Yeah, I used to consider it a sin - something to be corrected every time.  But now, I'm seeing the merit.  If you like to use it yourself then you'd probably dig the story.  I plan to start releasing it on GA soon, maybe a chapter a week, between the updates of Silverwolf and Bluegrass Symphony.

3 minutes ago, chris191070 said:

I agree with what everyone else has said. Having read Camp Refuge if you were to change it to much, it would lose that emotional impact that you have between the characters. The emotional impact is what makes it a great story, because of the topics that you have covered.

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Yeah, I get that now.  Thanks, Chris.  It'll stay largely intact, just cleaned up a bit.

2 minutes ago, mollyhousemouse said:

i told you it was my favorite of yours, guess i'm not alone in that @Wayne Gray write it how it comes out 💙

Thanks, molly.  I didn't really realize how much it resonated with folks.  But, I'm glad.  🙂

6 hours ago, Wayne Gray said:

Thanks, molly.  I didn't really realize how much it resonated with folks.  But, I'm glad.  🙂

Thing is, it goes so much further than you planned while writing. While a majority of the characters and the story line itself may be gay related it extends to so much more. At risk youth extends beyond the gay youth community, and traumatic injury crosses all walks of life. Makes the story relatable to a wide range of readers.

What is this mysterious story and how is it everyone has already read it?

Sounds like you don't need to change a thing. 

5 minutes ago, MacGreg said:

What is this mysterious story and how is it everyone has already read it?

Sounds like you don't need to change a thing. 

This is where I've spotted it: http://www.nifty.org/nifty/gay/camping/camp-refuge/

It's also at storylovers.us  I googled "short story camp refuge

We had to go hunt for it!

1 hour ago, Kitt said:

Thing is, it goes so much further than you planned while writing. While a majority of the characters and the story line itself may be gay related it extends to so much more. At risk youth extends beyond the gay youth community, and traumatic injury crosses all walks of life. Makes the story relatable to a wide range of readers.

You might be right.  There was a lot going on.  I set out to hit on as many different struggles I could feasibly get to in the story, and still keep the reader from feeling like it was just one big string of various crises.  Thanks for the nice words, Kitt.  I'll make it here, much improved too.

38 minutes ago, MacGreg said:

What is this mysterious story and how is it everyone has already read it?

Sounds like you don't need to change a thing. 

I'd suggest waiting to read it if you had a mind to do so.  There's a lot to fix.

What some of my past readers have said, I've taken to heart... I won't change the "meat" of it.  It'll just be mechanical fixes.  But it will read much smoother.

33 minutes ago, BHopper2 said:

This is where I've spotted it: http://www.nifty.org/nifty/gay/camping/camp-refuge/

I've had a few sites ask to host that story.  Maybe I really did hit upon a recipe folks like.  lol

I forget there are 'other' story sites out there. 

1 minute ago, MacGreg said:

I forget there are 'other' story sites out there. 

GA has a pretty fantastic recipe as an author and as a reader.  Particular types of stories are easy to find, your favorite authors simple to follow, and comments/feedback is rewarding to deliver and receive.  So far, it's the best I've seen to write/read on from a purely mechanical point of view.  It also happens to be the best in terms of quality as well.

I'm a GA loyalist. 

3 minutes ago, MacGreg said:

I'm a GA loyalist. 

I've seen many now, and GA has the best set up of all of them.  So, I can tell you that you're not missing much.  Most of the descent authors on the other sites find their way here too.

27 minutes ago, MacGreg said:

You are proof of that. 

Thanks, Mac.  🙂