CoTT 2 House of Cards

Drew Espinosa · July 20

2 hours ago, clochette said:

Whatever roles we play and whenever we do shouldn't matter, the important thing is that we're both happier with it

spike382 · July 20

4 minutes ago, Drew Espinosa said:

Stop promoting harm to children, you psycho.

Page Scrawler · July 20

11 hours ago, spike382 said:

Those damn Normans invading England and injecting all their French words into English.

Page Scrawler · July 20

9 hours ago, clochette said:

Nope, it's the Americans fault anyway, they've invented new words to try to look smart

At least we know to leave snails in the garden where they belong, instead of putting them on our dinner plates. <_<

Mancunian · July 20

8 hours ago, Drew Espinosa said:

It was America that freed Europe from tyranny, you're welcome @clochette and @Mancunian.

America was part of the Allied forces and that will never be denied. It is also a matter of record that America only got involved after being attacked by Japan. Germany and Italy then joined forces with Japan which is what drew America into the war. Up to this point, America only supplied the UK and the rest of Europe with weapons and charged exorbitant prices for the arms supplied, and that is before we consider the Lend-Lease agreement which was stacked heavily in America's favour.

I agree that America made the difference between victory and defeat, but not until Japan's direct attack on America. Until that point, America was happy to remain neutral and watch the UK and Europe go down the pan. When America joined the war America needed the existing Allied forces as much as the existing Allied forces needed America.

If the war in Europe had been lost it is highly likely that America would have been defeated by Japan and their Allies. It was the unification of forces that won the war, not the Americans. Maybe we should thank Japan for its actions against America that unified the rest of the world, if we had remained fragmented the free world that we all take for granted would not exist. So don't take the high ground on this subject. America did not get involved by choice, America only got involved after being forced to after Japan's actions at the time.

Page Scrawler · July 20

2 minutes ago, Mancunian said:

America was part of the Allied forces and that will never be denied. It is also a matter of record that America only got involved after being attacked by Japan.

Hey, Craig. :hug: I'm well aware of European viewpoints on American involvement in WWII. Which is why you'll never see me lord it over any of my friends across the pond.

Mancunian · July 20

2 minutes ago, Page Scrawler said:

Hey, Craig. I'm well aware of European viewpoints on American involvement in WWII. Which is why you'll never see me lord it over any of my friends across the pond.

Thanks for that Page. There is no doubt or argument about the difference that American involvement made to the outcome of WWII and it is my belief that the American stance on involvement in the war was the actions of the politicians of the time, not the people. It is on record that some of the American people came to England to fight in the war and support us before Japan's attack, this tells me that the American people of the time were better people and more supportive than the politicians. I am grateful for the help and support given by America, I may not be here if it wasn't for that help and support. My post is only intended to point out facts in reply to Drew's post and is not intended to cause offence or arguments. We all owe a lot to those who fought regardless of their nationality, especially those who gave their lives, and the families of those people, we will always be indebted to them.

Page Scrawler · July 20

2 minutes ago, Mancunian said:

It is on record that some of the American people came to England to fight in the war and support us

I remember seeing a film called Flyboys, which takes place during the first war. Before America officially entered the war, a number of men volunteered themselves for the French Air Service.

Mancunian · July 20

2 minutes ago, Page Scrawler said:

I remember seeing a film called Flyboys, which takes place during the first war. Before America officially entered the war, a number of men volunteered themselves for the French Air Service.

I know the film you mention, I'm not sure how accurate it is, but it is based on real events. The actions of the men highlighted in the film were repeated during WWII and were a valuable contribution to the war effort.

Drew Espinosa · July 20

6 hours ago, spike382 said:

Stop promoting harm to children, you psycho.

Corporal punishment is necessary.

Drew Espinosa · July 20

1 hour ago, Mancunian said:

America was part of the Allied forces and that will never be denied. It is also a matter of record that America only got involved after being attacked by Japan. Germany and Italy then joined forces with Japan which is what drew America into the war. Up to this point, America only supplied the UK and the rest of Europe with weapons and charged exorbitant prices for the arms supplied, and that is before we consider the Lend-Lease agreement which was stacked heavily in America's favour.

I agree that America made the difference between victory and defeat, but not until Japan's direct attack on America. Until that point, America was happy to remain neutral and watch the UK and Europe go down the pan. When America joined the war America needed the existing Allied forces as much as the existing Allied forces needed America.

If the war in Europe had been lost it is highly likely that America would have been defeated by Japan and their Allies. It was the unification of forces that won the war, not the Americans. Maybe we should thank Japan for its actions against America that unified the rest of the world, if we had remained fragmented the free world that we all take for granted would not exist. So don't take the high ground on this subject. America did not get involved by choice, America only got involved after being forced to after Japan's actions at the time.

Page Scrawler · July 20

8 minutes ago, Drew Espinosa said:

This is as close as I could find to "You can go shave your hairy Hobbit feet now."

Drew Espinosa · July 20

6 minutes ago, Page Scrawler said:

This is as close as I could find to "You can go shave your hairy Hobbit feet now."

The hobbits saved Middle Earth, you're just proving my point.

Page Scrawler · July 20

Just now, Drew Espinosa said:

The hobbits saved Middle Earth, you're just proving my point.

If memory serves me correctly, there were Dwarves, Elves, Humans, and a Maiar/Wizard involved in the journey. It wasn't just Sam and Frodo who saved everyone; As Craig said, it was a team effort.

Drew Espinosa · July 20

1 minute ago, Page Scrawler said:

If memory serves me correctly, there were Dwarves, Elves, Humans, and a Maiar/Wizard involved in the journey. It wasn't just Sam and Frodo who saved everyone; As Craig said, it was a team effort.