i am glad, Sir.  You don't need to suffer through this if You don't want to.

I have to agree with tim on this one.  Do what is right for your health, Mike.  Surgery is never fun, but sometimes it's the only answer.

3 minutes ago, Wayne Gray said:

I have to agree with tim on this one.  Do what is right for your health, Mike.  Surgery is never fun, but sometimes it's the only answer.

They think the shoulder will get better.  However, we are talking up to 3 years. That is a long time to feel like this. I do the exercises at home several times a day, have acupuncture, massage etc.  not much has changed. I will speak to the doc. 

I didn't know it was due to diabetes. I have had to have a hard look at myself and be a bit more vigilant with my diet because I have had pain in the other shoulder recently. 

4 minutes ago, MichaelS36 said:

They think the shoulder will get better.  However, we are talking up to 3 years. That is a long time to feel like this. I do the exercises at home several times a day, have acupuncture, massage etc.  not much has changed. I will speak to the doc. 

I didn't know it was due to diabetes. I have had to have a hard look at myself and be a bit more vigilant with my diet because I have had pain in the other shoulder recently. 

Diabetes affects so much of the body.  Joints, eyes, cardiovascular system, etc.  Keeping average blood sugar (Hemoglobin A1c) down is imperative to avoiding issues or mitigating them.

Yeah... three years is a hell of a long time to wait to feel better.  You'll recover quicker from surgery.  A lot.

Best of luck.

While talking to the doc ask about non pharma anti inflamitories like cdb

3 minutes ago, Kitt said:

While talking to the doc ask about non pharma anti inflamitories like cdb

Have you tried that Kitt? 

Haven't, but am in the process of researching it. Also, if you are taking metformin, ask about changing meds. A side effect is arthritis like joint pain in a small percentage of patients. Docs tend to brush it off but hubby and I both had issues that cleared up quickly when we stopped and changed meds. In my case i had to just refuse to take it to get the doc to change .

1 minute ago, Kitt said:

Haven't, but am in the process of researching it. Also, if you are taking metformin, ask about changing meds. A side effect is arthritis like joint pain in a small percentage of patients. Docs tend to brush it off but hubby and I both had issues that cleared up quickly when we stopped and changed meds. In my case i had to just refuse to take it to get the doc to change .

Right, thank you. I will talk to him about it. I appreciate your advice. 

i'm sorry that You are in pain Michael Sir.

Phil had to have shoulder surgery, frozen shoulder i think it was called. He went from no movement to full range of motion within 3 weeks. it's best to get it taken care of sooner rather than later Sir.

2 minutes ago, mollyhousemouse said:

i'm sorry that You are in pain Michael Sir.

Phil had to have shoulder surgery, frozen shoulder i think it was called. He went from no movement to full range of motion within 3 weeks. it's best to get it taken care of sooner rather than later Sir.

I will speak to the doctor, molly. Thank you.  I appreciate the voice of experience and now and again, I even listen!  LOL  But I will see him soon and discuss. 

Your boy's right, you're too young to allow this to bother you for the rest of your life. Talk to as many people as you need to and keep fighting back.

25 minutes ago, Reader1810 said:

my uncle uses it for severe arthritis

Does he find any side effects? Good or bad?

All the literature claims none. Interested to know if that's marketing or truth.  They really downplay the side effects of metformin as worth it.

1 hour ago, MichaelS36 said:

I will speak to the doctor, molly. Thank you.  I appreciate the voice of experience and now and again, I even listen!  LOL  But I will see him soon and discuss. 

thank You Sir, i try to be helpful while not crossing into the pushy-know-it-all category

No cross up Reader. I was asking about CDB, but mentioned that I had wicked joint pain as a side effect from the metformin, and had to refuse to take it in order to get relief.  Am now researching CDB as an alternative to knee and back pain.  They tell me they can do nothing for my knee till I am old enough to replace it, and the odd way I walk with the bad knee causes back pain.  I keep telling them I would fix the knee now and if it needs to be redone in 15 or 20 years so what, thats better than waiting till I am over 65!  Not walking so good at 79 sounds a lot better to me than now at 59.

Mike,

I recently learned there is a Stem Cell Therapy that reverses and cures Type 2 Diabetes. That's all I know of it, and it came from a person that had it done. They said it was costly, close to $10,000 USD. I hope this information is useful, even with as little it is.

You and tim, will always be in my thoughts and prayers.

I don't have enough knowledge to offer advice, but researching your options and consulting with your doctor always seems like the best place to start. Sorry to hear that you've been suffering from this, my friend. Let's hope you can clear it up quickly and without too much down time.  

32 minutes ago, MacGreg said:

I don't have enough knowledge to offer advice, but researching your options and consulting with your doctor always seems like the best place to start. Sorry to hear that you've been suffering from this, my friend. Let's hope you can clear it up quickly and without too much down time.  

Pisses me off more than anything, but it is painful. I will make some notes for the next visit to the doctor.