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Why you are going to miss George Bush


JamesSavik

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Yep. That's right. You are going to miss him.

 

 

Fat chance.

 

 

You will miss him. Just give it time.

 

 

I sincerely doubt it but you are welcome to try to defend King George.

 

Oh no- I'm not going to try to defend him. In many ways his generally incoherent style of public speaking made him one of the most ineffective presidents in living memory because he simply failed to explain his policies.

 

 

Don't you mean the worst in history?

 

No. I'm older than most of you and remember Jimmy Carter. I'm better versed in history than most of you too and I remember some real losers that have occupied the White House like Grant, Coolidge, Buchanan and Andrew Johnson.

 

I said ineffective. Not worst. Bush's problem with communication made him an easy target. He tried to speak plainly but this backfired on him terribly. His style of speaking and his propensity to verbally stumble were easily misunderstood, taken out of context and generally made the man look like an idiot. For instance- his use of with us or against us in regard to the War on Terror was a particularly bad choice of words making some friendly countries feel like they had to take sides and lead directly to poor relations with traditional allies.

 

 

Well he was an idiot.

 

Bush got his undergraduate degree at Yale, his law degree at UT and his MBA at Harvard. He is no idiot. Over and over his political rivals have failed to take him seriously and he defeated a string of democratic notables- Ann Richards, Al Gore and John Kerry.

 

 

OK genius. Why are we going to miss him?

 

First- Bush's actions were always a product of his beliefs and/or ideology. He did not fly "trial balloons" or consult focus groups and see which way the wind was blowing. He made the decision, popular or unpopular, took the heat for it and did not make excuses.

 

Second- For years democrats have blamed everything on Bush from bad weather to bad luck. His style of refusing to get into bare-knuckle partisan brawls and simply refusing to acknowledge charges that he considered ridiculous made it look like the man was hiding from his critics. Now we are about to have an administration which will be held accountable for nothing.

 

Third- What Bush has done in Iraq, Afghanistan and the rest of the world is to protect America's interests. Period. If you think the economy is screwed-up now, consider carefully what would have happened if Bush had failed to answer the challenge of Al Qaeda. Had Hussien stayed in power, how long would it have taken for him to cause even more trouble in the Gulf? Of course the Chinese, Russians and French didn't like it. They were getting rich and America was getting screwed. Bush's actions in Iraq have reset the table and if we play our cards right, we'll be sitting at the head of that table if the new administration does not squander the opportunity.

 

 

But he lied...

 

Oh horsesh*t. By 2003 when we started Operation Kick Saddam's Ass II, Saddam had pissed off half the world and was bribing the other half. So many people wanted him dead that he never slept in the same place twice. The Kuwaiti's had a price on his head. The Iranians had a price on his head. That sort of thing happens when you start two wars of aggression and kill a million people.

 

Did Bush lie about weapons of mass destruction? He had people telling him everything from Saddam was rearming to Saddam was becoming a pussycat. He had to use his best judgment. Judging from Saddam's past history and the way Iraq was playing pussyfoot with inspectors- the smart money was on there being fire behind all the smoke.

 

 

OK. But he fu-bared the economy...

 

As a republican and a believer in free markets, Bush believed that the way to allow the economy to grow was to get out of its way and let it grow.

 

The problems in the economy came from governmental meddling in the lending markets which occurred in a prior administration and high level cooperate malfeasance. Could regulation have avoided these problems? Probably not and you can bet that regulations would cause more problems than it would solve.

 

 

If he was so good why does everybody hate him?

 

He wasn't that good. He was unapologetic plain vanilla pro American moderate republican who didn't like partisan bickering and put his foot in his mouth at the worst possible moment.

 

Not everyone hates him.

 

 

OK: if he was so great, why did things seem to suck while he was in office?

 

Bush's presidency was very much a product of the times. No President has ever had to cope with the complexity of the world situation that George W. Bush stepped into when he was sworn in Feb. 2001.

 

Twenty years after, the world is a very chaotic place in the wake of the Cold War. Allies and alliances are changing out of national and economic interests, the rise of the European Union, China and even India's emergence as a regional power, petro-politics, terrorism, rouge states like Iraq, Iran, North Korea: you have to consider it a success to keep the whole thing from exploding- or at least controlling most of the explosions that did occur.

 

The majority of Bush's Presidency is mired in the Middle East because the problems festering there had been ignored for far too long.

 

You can count on chaos because that's the world that we live in.

 

 

What do you mean we're going to miss him?

 

For years it has been something of a national excuse to blame Bush for whatever goes wrong. Now- for better or worse, the Presidency, house and the senate are solidly in the hands of the democrats. The buck stops there. It is in their hands- now lets see them take responsibility for it and defend the national interests of the country without surrender.

 

Furthermore- since we can no longer blame Bush and the media won't allow you to blame Obama, you'll just have to blame yourself for whatever goes wrong in your life.

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No offense, but I don't believe you could have written this (particularly the beginning passage) any more condescendingly than this.

 

It makes it very hard to consider the rationales behind your arguments...or to find them, given the veneer of supercilious sarcasm.

 

I can respectfully disagree with someone who has a different political ideology than I do, but not when he addresses me or the things I believe in so dismissively. Frankly, I expect more from you <_<

 

Rob

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I have to disagree with you, he shitted on the constitution. We shouldn't of gone to iraq, I believed it first it was the best but now, eh it wasn't. we should of stayed in Afghanistan and focused there. I hate having religion shoved down my throat...

 

It's going to be hard 4 or 8 years be the same if McCain would of been in office.

 

Some want Obama to fail badly if he fails, we are screwed.

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No offense, but I don't believe you could have written this (particularly the beginning passage) any more condescendingly than this.

 

It makes it very hard to consider the rationales behind your arguments...or to find them, given the veneer of supercilious sarcasm.

 

I can respectfully disagree with someone who has a different political ideology than I do, but not when he addresses me or the things I believe in so dismissively. Frankly, I expect more from you <_<

 

Rob

 

 

I am suggesting that your most "sacred held beliefs" are media and pop culture inspired drivel. Slap! Snap out of it.

 

What you have bought into wholeheartedly is collectivism. My generation bleed to stop it and you punks elected it. If you think the economy is bad now, what till you get a load of triple digit inflation and the taxes that are coming despite Obama's promises to the contrary.

 

All I ask is that you hold Obama to the same standard that you held Bush. When his lies start to surface, call him a liar with the same piss and vinigar that you called Bush.

 

As for expecting more, Life sucks, wear a f-ing helmet.

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George Bush has taken a lot of punishment in the polls for the things that have gone wrong during his time as president, but if he was really so awful, why was he re-elected? Shouldn't the nation have given him the boot in 2004? I think he's made a lot of mistakes, but years from now, I'm sure history will view him as an overall success.

Did we go into Iraq unconstitutionally? Yes, but if you look back over the events that led us into Iraq, it's hard to only blame Bush. I mean, the Senate voted to give him the authority to take us into Iraq on his own, at a time of his choosing. Was it a republican Senate that gave him that power? No.

A lot of people say that Bush caused the housing crisis and the current credit crunch, and I agree that he has some blame, but in the end, he wasn't the one who kept interest rates so low for so long. That was Alan Greenspan, but I'm sure that Bush didn't mind what was happening at the time.

What I really dislike about Bush is the fact that under his administration, the size of the federal government increased by 50%. Add to that the fact that he presided over the creation of two new entitlement programs and the homeland security department, and it's easy to get seriously ill about his time in office. While the republicans were running the house and the senate, he never vetoed a spending bill. When the democrats took over in 2007, he suddenly found his veto pen, but it was too late.

I think Bush could have done a lot better, but given the circumstances he was facing, he was adequate. He's a likable guy, and values mean a lot to him. It's too bad he couldn't have looked to those values more often when times were better.

If nothing else, we should give Obama a chance to succeed, if only for our own sake. He needs to reconsider some of the things he wants to spend money on and concentrate on paying off the deficit. But I have a feeling that he's in over his head, and that in about 6 months, he's going to be wishing he was still in the Senate.

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Well I don't found him very likable, he did somethings okay and again some of his judgment was because of his religion.

 

It seems most people want to have Obama to fail, if he fails then we are screwed. give him a bloody chance.

 

James we do care about what happens to this country.

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No offense, but I don't believe you could have written this (particularly the beginning passage) any more condescendingly than this.

 

It makes it very hard to consider the rationales behind your arguments...or to find them, given the veneer of supercilious sarcasm.

 

I can respectfully disagree with someone who has a different political ideology than I do, but not when he addresses me or the things I believe in so dismissively. Frankly, I expect more from you <_<

 

Rob

I am suggesting that your most "sacred held beliefs" are media and pop culture inspired drivel. Slap! Snap out of it.

 

What you have bought into wholeheartedly is collectivism. My generation bleed to stop it and you punks elected it. If you think the economy is bad now, what till you get a load of triple digit inflation and the taxes that are coming despite Obama's promises to the contrary.

 

All I ask is that you hold Obama to the same standard that you held Bush. When his lies start to surface, call him a liar with the same piss and vinigar that you called Bush.

 

As for expecting more, Life sucks, wear a f-ing helmet.

 

You might actually experience a modicum of success in convincing people to reconsider their "sacred held beliefs" by arguing on the merits of what you believe in, rather than recycling Hannity/O'Reilly bromides and automatically dismissing the political "other" as utter idiots.

 

Like the majority of self-professed liberals who actively consider their political beliefs (not, as you say, "buy in wholeheartedly"), I am quite aware that Obama does not fart perfume or sh*t rainbows. As for holding Obama to the same standard as I do Bush? I do try, though I must admit that it's rather more difficult given that Obama does not have an eight-year record of ideological rigidity, intellectual disinterest, and the demonization of various subcultures in America for political gain. If he screws up...when he screws up, as I believe he did with FISA...I will react accordingly. Until then I will give the man a chance to prove himself, not hover like a starving harpy waiting gleefully for the chance to say the four most futile words in the English language: "I told you so!"

 

I'm disengaging from this thread...if I wanted vitriol such as this, I'd go annoy some of the DailyKos trolls or have a quick conversation over at The Corner. It's perfectly possible to discuss and debate things based on issues, but I'm not optimistic that I'll get the chance to here.

 

Rob

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Quote: "Bush got his undergraduate degree at Yale, his law degree at UT and his MBA at Harvard. He is no idiot. Over and over his political rivals have failed to take him seriously and he defeated a string of democratic notables- Ann Richards, Al Gore and John Kerry."

 

Erm, that was completely and solely his father's doing, and his father's friends'. Sorry... But he is an idiot.

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Well, I disagree with you James. I think Bush was an asshole, the worst President we ever had. The US is weaker and poorer now, by far, than when he took office. But as usual, you make meaningful arguments that deserve to be read and respected.

 

I would think, though, that those who would be the most vehemently anti-Bush would be Republicans themselves. As the leader of the party, he took it in a direction totally contrary to it's foundations (aggressive unnecessary wars and profligate spending are the first to come to mind). In my mind, Ronald Reagan stands on one side of the Republican spectrum, the one representing the revival and rebirth of a strong nation, while GWB is at the complete opposite end of the scale.

 

I still may bake you a cake though.

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Did anyone actually read what I wrote or did they simply react to the mention of Bush.

 

Here's the Cliff's notes version:

 

When Bush is gone we'll have to find another national scapegoat for everything that goes wrong because Obama will not be held to the same standard.

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I plan to give Obama the EXACT SAME CONSIDERATION that the Left gave Bush.

 

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OBAMA IS EVIL! So is anyone he may appoint!

 

OBAMA is a f-ing liar [get used to this one lefties, you're going to be hearing this one a lot]

 

I will discuss the FAILED OBAMA PRESIDENCY in an upcoming blog.

 

I'll give Barak the f-ing little commie b*tch boy in a $2000 suit a few weeks to find a f-ing helmet.

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During the election fox gave equal time to each candidates bad and good things about them, if Obama does a bad enough job news stations or even news hosts will go after him.

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I dunno Drewbie, its hard to report anything bad about the "golden boy". I sincerely hope that isn't the case howevere

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OK: if he was so great, why did things seem to suck while he was in office?

 

Bush's presidency was very much a product of the times. No President has ever had to cope with the complexity of the world situation that George W. Bush stepped into when he was sworn in Feb. 2001.

 

Twenty years after, the world is a very chaotic place in the wake of the Cold War. Allies and alliances are changing out of national and economic interests, the rise of the European Union, China and even India's emergence as a regional power, petro-politics, terrorism, rouge states like Iraq, Iran, North Korea: you have to consider it a success to keep the whole thing from exploding- or at least controlling most of the explosions that did occur.

 

The majority of Bush's Presidency is mired in the Middle East because the problems festering there had been ignored for far too long.

 

If Bush had come along at a time of relative global simplicity, I think history's evaluation of his presidency would be far different. Precisely because he was, as you say, an "unapologetic plain vanilla pro American moderate republican who didn't like partisan bickering and put his foot in his mouth at the worst possible moment," he was sorely unequipped to deal with the realities of complex global reality. Negotiating with the rogue states, emerging superpowers -- that's to say, states and head-of-states with suddenly big egos -- requires much more than a "likable" man who also happened to be a rigid ideologue.

 

I find your defense of Bush's fibs regarding the WMD particularly troubling. In doing so, you're making excuses for Bush and holding him to a lenient standard -- which is what you're asking us not to do for Obama. I am actually less inclined to condemn the fact that the Bush administration lied than the fact that it lied to mire us in a war that was a waged for the sake of Bush's ideology, which you seem to support, but which I'm not nearly as inclined to. The US is no longer quite the T. Rex it used to be; the rest of the world is filling up the vacuum left by the USSR. A lot of sound and fury will get us less far than crafty, manipulative, subtle, intelligent diplomacy. I'm hoping Obama can supply some of that. It seems counterintuitive to practice diplomacy with terrorists, but terrorists are also individuals capable of speech and choice and logic -- albeit very, very warped logic. Sometimes softness -- yin -- is preferrable to hardness -- yang.

 

Judging Bush is different from judging the Bush administration. To Bush's credit, I think he went into office with nothing but the best intentions. But good intentions pave the road to hell. Katrina, the miring of the Iraq war, and the economic crisis are what history books are going to write about the Bush administration, and that's going to haunt Bush's personal legacy. The poor guy tried his best, yes, but he in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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George Bush has taken a lot of punishment in the polls for the things that have gone wrong during his time as president, but if he was really so awful, why was he re-elected?

Because he appealed to the anti-abortion, anti-gay vote from religious America, and had gotten his country into war. Sorry, but I really have a hard time with anyone trying to tell us the democrats are going to disappoint gay people and try to defend some elected official leading a prayer group before going to war.

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Bond-

 

There is an old saying: there are no atheists in foxholes.

 

For those who are simplistic enough to be lieve that all the right has going for it is anti-abortion, anti-gay racists, just keep on thinking that. Some of the most anti-gay racists are conservative democrats from the South. The tame leftist media isn't going to show them to you because they aren't eveil republicans.

 

The influence of those groups is diminishing. The socially liberal/moderate libertarians are on the rise. There will be a new republican party and the evangellicals aren't invited.

 

JS

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Bond-

 

There is an old saying: there are no atheists in foxholes.

 

For those who are simplistic enough to be lieve that all the right has going for it is anti-abortion, anti-gay racists, just keep on thinking that. Some of the most anti-gay racists are conservative democrats from the South. The tame leftist media isn't going to show them to you because they aren't eveil republicans.

 

The influence of those groups is diminishing. The socially liberal/moderate libertarians are on the rise. There will be a new republican party and the evangellicals aren't invited.

 

JS

 

Hope you are right. be nice to see, any of them, tones down. there are certain things that makes me not want to vote for a candidate.

 

oh and please check ur pm on here and on ad.

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Bond-

 

There is an old saying: there are no atheists in foxholes.

 

For those who are simplistic enough to be lieve that all the right has going for it is anti-abortion, anti-gay racists, just keep on thinking that. Some of the most anti-gay racists are conservative democrats from the South. The tame leftist media isn't going to show them to you because they aren't eveil republicans.

 

The influence of those groups is diminishing. The socially liberal/moderate libertarians are on the rise. There will be a new republican party and the evangellicals aren't invited.

 

JS

 

I have always said that the whole left-right thing is not a line, it is a circle. The far left and the far right are connected, and the best example of that connection is the Catholic Church

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George Bush has taken a lot of punishment in the polls for the things that have gone wrong during his time as president, but if he was really so awful, why was he re-elected?

Because he appealed to the anti-abortion, anti-gay vote from religious America, and had gotten his country into war. Sorry, but I really have a hard time with anyone trying to tell us the democrats are going to disappoint gay people and try to defend some elected official leading a prayer group before going to war.

 

 

They already have. How many democrats do you think voted no on prop 8 in California? Or prop 2 in Florida? It's a joke that somehow the democrats are this pro-gay rights, pro-equality party. If anything, they have the most shameful record when it comes to discrimination against people who are different.

 

As for the prayer group before going to war, isn't that what FDR did? Oh yeah, he also imposed the interment of Japanese Americans, forcing them off of their land and denying them medical care while they were being held. Yeah, you're right. The democrats have a great track record.

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