[Linxe Termoil] Spider Webs

[David McLeod]

Really enjoying the development of Micah's character. I can't wait to get to know a little bit more about Patrick. And Reece. And Patrick and Reece? What could possibly be in the that "dead" building and how long it will take Micah to realize that he is surrounded by people who know he isn't dead inside?

 

 

Yeah, and where is Chapter 7, one wonders.

[Amelia]

See, Dom? Now he has more people bugging him to write!

[wildone]

*An open letter to Linxe's Muse*

 

Dear Mr. Muse,

 

As you may or may not know, there is a few people that have been reading Spider Webs. I have personally just finished all six chapters and am really enjoying the combined efforts of yourself and Mr. Termoil.

 

I must say that I am extremely disappointed in your lack of motivational skills to enable Linxe to continue writing this story. I am to the point that I have openly threatened bodily harm to Linxe's favourite appendage. If you care to continue calling yourself a muse, then I suggest you get off your arse and get to work . Just remember in life, everyone is replaceable. Keep that in mind next time Linxe calls upon you and you don't deliver.

 

If, by some chance, you have actually motivated Linxe and there is a new chapter to be posted, then please ignore this letter and let bygones be bygones .

 

Thank you for your time,

 

Steve

Edited April 7, 2010 by wildone

[Linxe Termoil]

Dear W. One;

I thank you for your concern and write this to inform you that there is no lack of effort on my part to see to the continuation of Spider Webs. While the next chapter has not been written, it is not through any lack of indecisiveness or just because, but rather, a need on mine and the author's part to get the ending out of the way first in order to get some other stuff out of the way. I would however like to reassure the crowd that chapter seven will be written shortly.

 

 

Sincerely,

 

/s/

 

Linxe's Muse

Edited April 7, 2010 by Linxe Termoil

[biji2008]

Hi -

 

Just finished reading all the posted chapters. I read one a day for five days.

 

Well, Micah is a thoroughly likeable character as is Joel. I think the author did (or is doing) a great job in getting into the head of a 15 year old. It was rather interesting to see how and why he choose to be mute and how he was percieved by the other characters.

 

I probably have to re-read the chapters. I understand that Micah misses him mom (he mentions it several times) but very little is known about how "special" she was. I just couldn't connect to it. I will re-read to see if I have missed out something on the mother.

 

Oh well, looking forward for more soon. Thank you linxe

Edited April 8, 2010 by biji2008

[David McLeod]

...I understand that Micah misses him mom (he mentions it several times) but very little is known about how "special" she was. I just couldn't connect to it. I will re-read to see if I have missed out something on the mother.

 

...

Interesting observation; I wish I'd seen that. You're right...Micah is attached to his mother and to her guitar, but we don't yet know much more than that about the relationship. Based on Micah's concern for his little brother, as well as his sense of responsibility, in general, she must have been a strong, and fascinating person.

 

Linxe? Are you paying attention?

[Linxe Termoil]

These are the reviews for "Spider Webs" Copied over from E-fiction as of 08 December 2010

[Linxe Termoil]

Title: Confrontations

Reviewer: Morebern

 

Definately piqued my curiousity.

Is it just the death of his Mom that made him completely freak about the blood

and the car accident or is there something more? Who will start to

crumble his walls first? Elizabeth? Ken? Avery?

Reece? Patrick (my personal pick)? What will happen if their Dad

comes back into the picture? Interested ...

 

Date: 04/02/2010 10:02 PM

 

Title: Confrontations

Reviewer: Cia

 

Micah is evolving before our very

eyes. He is losing some of his anger and gaining back some of his pain. Perhaps

because he somehow knows that he is in a safe place despite his struggles to

deny it? I am sure he fears getting attached to anyone or anywhere after the

death of his mother. I can not wait for the next chapter, I want to know the

reaction everyone has to his outburst, what is in the house, how it is going to

become significant later on... Great chapter, I love a story that leaves me

with questions!

 

Date: 03/19/2010 01:01 AM

 

Title: Confrontations

Reviewer: David McLeod

 

 

A very smooth, polished chapter

through which echoes Micah's angst. The deep drone of interior monologues

at the beginning and the end wrap around notes of rapid-fire

conversation and shrill action. Micah's affair with the dishwasher is both sad

and funny, and cleverly brings the reader back into the

boy's mind. Micah is becoming a solid, logical (despite his own illogic),

three-dimensional character. He's still not quite a human being...there's too

much sadness and anger...but, there is hope. The metaphor of the boarded

up house was both brilliant and tantalizing. Great job!

 

Date: 03/17/2010 05:28 AM

 

Title: Confrontations

Reviewer: Nephylim

 

Awesome chapter. The emotions

were very raw and had me on the edge of my seat the whole time. i am very

intrigued about the house. I wonder how Micah will come to terms with

what is going on inside him. At the moment it feels like he's locked up

so tight he;s either going explode again or implode.

 

Date: 03/17/2010 05:23 AM

 

Title: Confrontations

Reviewer: Elezbed

 

Ok now the cat is out of the bag ^^!

A new mystery, I wonder what this house is...

Good chapter and write more!

 

Date: 03/17/2010 01:30 AM

 

Title: Crossing the Bridge

Reviewer: David McLeod

 

 

A rich and complex chapter that

brings new issues to an already rich and complex story. The metaphor of the cat

is brilliant. (It is a metaphor, isn't it?)

 

Date: 03/02/2010 07:14 AM

 

Title: Crossing the Bridge

Reviewer: Cia

 

The cat scene and the changing room

scene had me laughing my ass off. Too funny, it was great! Plus, I could just

imagine the look on Micah's face when he saw Elizabeth holding up the Pokemon

boxers, lol. The end scene with the car accident scene was so sad, I just

wanted to hug Micah. Can't wait for chapter 6!

 

Date: 02/26/2010 11:38 AM

 

 

 

Title: Crossing the Bridge

Reviewer: Nephylim

 

That was an intersting

chapter. It's cool knowing what's going on in Micah's head. I would

personally have killed the cat. No cat EVER hisses and scratches at me

without consequences... my own have learned.... and I have never laid a finger

on them... well except to stroke them. The whole thing was perfect,

although how they managed to get all that done in such little time I don't

know. I loved the way that Micah, with his adolescent sense of logic and

disregard for rules just took the trolley without thinking becuse he needed it

and got huffy at the mere suggestion he might have stolen it. Avery is a good

guy... and what an awesome ending.

 

Date: 02/26/2010 02:51 AM

 

 

 

Title: Crossing the Bridge

Reviewer: Elezbed

 

Poor Mika, he doesn't want to be

here... And now a car accident... You are really bad to your characters...

 

Good chapter and write more

 

Date: 02/26/2010 12:34 AM

 

 

 

Title: The First Night

Reviewer: David McLeod

 

 

Micah is so delightfully

frustrating! I want to smack his head and tell him, "grow up!" But then

I realize that he is. Growing up, that is. Slowly, deliberately, Linxe is

showing us how Micah is gradually waking to the reality that surrounds

him, and learning to deal with it.

 

Date: 01/21/2010 07:24 AM

 

 

 

Title: The First Night

Reviewer: Elezbed

 

So Micah wants to go again? I think

that Joel is not going to come in four hours... I wonder if he will oversleep,

he seems so sleepy ^^!

Good chapter and write more!

 

Date: 01/19/2010 03:55 PM

 

 

 

Title: The First Night

Reviewer: Nephylim

 

worth waiting for. I like

Micah.

 

Date: 01/19/2010 03:03 PM

 

 

 

Title: The First Night

Reviewer: anordwell

 

 

I love the "she tried to poison

me" part! This chapter was full of bits that made me chuckle. The visual

of Micah sniffing his pie with a suspicious look on his face had me in

stitches! Great chapter!

 

Date: 01/19/2010 02:14 PM

 

 

 

Title: The first thread

Reviewer: domluka

 

waiting to see if Patrick has what

it takes to handle Micah... and if Micah has what it takes to handle Joel...

 

Date: 01/14/2010 08:35 PM

 

 

 

Title: The first thread

Reviewer: domluka

 

waiting to see if Patrick has what

it takes to handle Micah... and if Micah has what it takes to handle Joel...

 

Date: 01/14/2010 08:35 PM

 

 

 

Title: Leaving the nest

Reviewer: Linxe Termoil

 

 

Thanks everyone for the reviews so

far.

 

Date: 01/08/2010 02:29 PM

 

 

 

Title: The first thread

Reviewer: Nephylim

 

He's such and ass... it's

awesome. I really like Micah. Patrick is a pussy thought.. would be

nice to see someone who was up to him. What were the suspicious looks for?... I

suppose well find out. I know you had trouble with that chapter

but you couldn't tell. It flowed nicely and I am still hooked

 

 

 

Author's Response:

 

I'm assuming by ass you meant Micah.

Yes, he is an ass, and he has a nice ass. lol. Patrick is kind of a pussy;

we'll see how that works out with Micah and him later on. The suspicious

looks were because Micah was laughing out loud, that means his vocal cords

work. Though, I may not have played that right. chapter 4 is in the works.

Already got part of it written too

 

Linxe

 

Date: 12/12/2009 12:27 PM

 

Title: The first thread

Reviewer: David McLeod

 

 

A nice addition to the story. It's

moving briskly but smoothly. There was some much needed comic relief in a

couple of places...and it appears that there is a chance that Mikah will turn

out to be a human being, after all. Oh, and Patrick...well, Patrick really

needs a friend.

 

 

 

Author's Response:

 

Hrm. Patrick does need a friend, i'm

trying to figure out his personality and its hard because the story isn't

really about him, so I don't think much about him, I need to though. Because if

I don't the story will fall apart.

 

Thanks for the review

 

Linxe

 

Date: 12/12/2009 05:58 AM

 

Title: The first thread

Reviewer: Elezbed

 

the suspicious looks for what????

Because he was laughing?

Don't stop here^^!If he want to go will he go with Joel?

Good chapter and write more

 

Author's Response:

 

The suspicious looks were for the

laughing. I can't answer the second question yet. We'll see what happens

 

 

 

Thanks for the review,

 

Linxe

 

Date: 12/11/2009 11:38 PM

 

Title: The first thread

Reviewer: anordwell

 

 

Loved it of course Linxe...I really

can't wait to see more interactions between Micah and Patrick! Bring on Ch.

4!!!

 

Author's Response:

 

Chapter 4 is going to be rather long

and very interesting, I hope.

 

Thanks for the review,

 

Linxe

 

Title: Dangling By a Thread

Reviewer: JamieD

 

Wow Linxe this story is amazing!

LOOVE IT

 

Author's Response:

 

Love you too Jamie

 

Date: 12/01/2009 05:57 PM

 

Title: Leaving the nest

Reviewer: JamieD

 

I'm crying already...

 

Date: 12/01/2009 05:11 PM

 

 

 

Title: Dangling By a Thread

Reviewer: JensenC

 

I am well and truely hooked now and

i really can't wait for more. I was hoping it would go this way and Avery Hayes

was a nice surprise, i'm wondering why Patrick didn't want him living with him

though, will be intersting to find out. The hospital scene was very amusing, i

think Patrick has a crush. I really felt the scene when they see his bruises

for the first time, his confusion on why they look at him different is very

realistic and I enjoyed how you wrote that scene as i could feel each of teh

characters emotions even tho it wasn't overly done, very nice.Love how the

story is developing and want more, so please get writing.

 

Date: 11/24/2009 04:54 PM

 

 

 

Title: Leaving the nest

Reviewer: JensenC

 

I got drawn into this story

instantly and I really like the characters, i love the bond between Micha and

Joel and how they have their own special way to communicate. The end part of

this chapter was very sweet and amusing and sad but it was a nice balance not

too much of anyone. I like how you don't over write anything, the angst is

there but it is real not dramatic. I have worked with kids like Micha and they

tend to be a lot like him in how they deak with things, so I love that part. I

like how fast paced the story is too. I am looking forward to seein the

brothers so i'm hoping they are reunited soon and I have afeeling the new

chracters are going to be a big part of the brothers lives. I am very excited

about this story as it has lots of potential to be a great story, I'm sure you

will deliver.

 

Anyway i will stop going on as i

will get boring and i need sleep although i am very tempte dto just read more.

Keep up the great writing.

 

Date: 11/23/2009 11:15 PM

 

 

 

Title: Dangling By a Thread

Reviewer: Fastreader

 

 

Well, Jon, it's shaping up and the

holes have been filled in...now for more excitement!

 

Date: 10/28/2009 02:54 AM

 

 

 

Title: Dangling By a Thread

Reviewer: David McLeod

 

 

Deft characterization and a breezy

narration make this a most enjoyable story. The interplay between Micah and the

deputy, between Micah and Patrick, and between Micah and Joel is delightful.

The "skinny pumpkin" was wonderful imagery. The story arc is solid.

You've got a winner, here.

 

Date: 10/27/2009 07:30 PM

 

 

 

Title: Leaving the nest

Reviewer: Mykal

 

I really like this

story! It is not your typical abused teenager finally finds

happiness and THAT exactly what makes this so appealing. Now I'm

conflicted by which of your stories I like best this one or Sunny's

Angle. Maybe I'll just have to have 2 favorites. Oh my, that's

going to f**k up the balance of the universe. Please continue to write,

you have a great gift.

 

Date: 10/24/2009 01:01 PM

 

 

 

Title: Dangling By a Thread

Reviewer: acht-acht

 

 

Okay, I´m hooked!! I love the boys

and Deputy Hayes. What´s the deal about the Windletons?

 

Cheers, Clara

 

Date: 10/24/2009 05:44 AM

 

 

 

Title: Dangling By a Thread

Reviewer: librent

 

Great start to this story, really

looking forward to the next chapters.

 

Date: 10/23/2009 07:08 PM

 

 

 

Title: Leaving the nest

Reviewer: anordwell

 

 

See, I'm reviewing. Okay, first, so

I don't get into trouble, I have to say that I really enjoyed this chapter. It

was fast paced with plenty of action going on without being overwhelming. I

have to say, aside from those typos, lol, I only noticed one thing besides how

much I want to read more. You call the Judge, he midway through the chapter but

it turns out to be a woman. We both know in a small town in Kitsap there is

likely only to be one judge that does juvenile court. LOL. Okay, so now I feel

guilty, so I have to say all good stuff. You really flesh out Micah, seeing new

facets of his personality is very interesting, he never reacts the way I think

he will. I agree with Nephylim, I thought he would talk for certain at the end

when Patrick lies. Either that or bite him, Trying to ignore things I

overheard about Ch.3 I remain in anticipation to find out where Michah, Joel,

Patrick and Dpt. Hayes, who I think could have so much more to say. Also, I

like the switch to italics for the ASL, you just might want to watch using it

as well for Micah's thoughts if you want to use it exclusively. Keep up the

writing. I'm waiting on tenterhooks....

 

Date: 10/23/2009 03:03 AM

 

 

 

Title: Leaving the nest

Reviewer: Rizan

 

Amazing story so far Linxe, I

especially like the humor that's visible in the story while still making it

serious and really...amazing?...I guess is the word I'm looking for.

Can't wait to read the next chapter.

 

 

 

Oh and remember what I said, if I

don't get a happily-ever-after ending, I have a razor and I know how to ensure

you never have children

 

Date: 10/23/2009 02:57 AM

 

 

 

Title: Dangling By a Thread

Reviewer: Nephylim

 

Well things are moving on a

pace. I am liking Micah a lot but he's one hell of a mixed up kid.

Kudos to him for keeping his mouth shut though, although I thought he would

have said something when Patrick lied about what he said. Looking forward

to the next installment

 

Date: 10/23/2009 02:23 AM

 

 

 

Title: Leaving the nest

Reviewer: anordwell

 

 

So you made me feel guilty for not

reviewing your story. I really like the realism you bring to each story you

write. Your characters are proposed very authentically. Their interactions,

emotions and situations are very believable. I grew up in a small town in WA

and the jail/DHS situation you showed was eerily similar to one that I knew in

real life. A good story for me always follows something I could actually

believe would occur. If you have any WA questions, look me up. Oh and totally

off topic, but if you start a new series and need another beta, totally

willing, I really like your writing. Cia

 

Date: 10/18/2009 12:05 AM

 

 

 

Title: Leaving the nest

Reviewer: Altimexis

 

 

Excellent start to a story I will

definitely want to follow. My only complaint is that the flow is a bit

disjointed, which is likely a consequence of Micah's jumbled mind. I might

suggest erring more on the side of readability. Otherwise, I'm impressed by how

quickly the author has defined the characters' personalities, from Micah's

'consequences be damned' rebellious attitude to Joel's use of mutism,

rationalization and adult-like dialogue as defense mechanisms to shield him

from all the bad things happening in his life. Nice job!

 

Date: 09/28/2009 05:58 PM

 

 

 

Title: Leaving the nest

Reviewer: Nephylim

 

Fabulous. The characters are

so real. Poor Micah. I feel for both of them but it seems that Joel

is getting by far the better of the deal, although he has lost his mother and

now his brother... I don't count his dad as he is no loss to anyone. I

hope that things improve... before Ronald gets involved.

 

Date: 09/28/2009 11:48 AM

 

 

 

Title: Leaving the nest

Reviewer: David McLeod

 

Once again, Linxe has demonstrated a

perfect rapport with his characters. Realistic, gritty yet compassionate, the

first post is a strong setup for what promises to be another superb story.

 

Date: 09/28/2009 06:01 AM

 

 

 

Title: Leaving the nest

Reviewer: Fastreader

 

 

Well, Jon...Since I didn't ever get

back to the final on the beta version: This actually turned out much better

than I've seen so far...it's very, very good...but the system didn't handle

your italics for the signing back and forth (darn it)...but you finally got all

the way into the reason for him sitting in that jail cell! A good reach about

child neglect, and while this is just a story, situations like this DO happen

in real life, all too sadly.

 

Date: 09/28/2009 04:00 AM

Edited December 8, 2010 by Linxe Termoil

[Amelia]

so, morebern is me and i just wanted to let you know i am still interested!

[Linxe Termoil]

Thanks. I am writing more SW chapters as we speak, so no fears.

[Linxe Termoil]

Spider Webs chapter 7 has been released.

 

Let me know what you think.

 

Linxe

[paya]

so this is where we discuss the chapters now?

 

This was actually a first chapter I read at GA after a really loooong time - and it stirred a lot of emotions - even anger I still don't get where Linxe is taking this story but I'm willing to try. Though Linxe, please, I need some frame, at least to have an idea what is this story about

 

 

[Linxe Termoil]

so this is where we discuss the chapters now?

 

This was actually a first chapter I read at GA after a really loooong time - and it stirred a lot of emotions - even anger I still don't get where Linxe is taking this story but I'm willing to try. Though Linxe, please, I need some frame, at least to have an idea what is this story about

 

 

 

Let's start with what you think this story is about and go from there?

 

Linxe

[paya]

Let's start with what you think this story is about and go from there?

 

Linxe

 

Yeah, that's the problem - I don't know what the story is about. I could see some nice moments - so is this story about dealing with losing one's Mum and harsh treatment from Dad? Is it a coming of age story about a teenage boy who is trying to get on his own feet? Is it about forming a relationship between Micah and Patrick? The kid is a brat, yet sometimes he's very mature, is it a story about him, a biography? Is it a drama, psychological story, comedy, adventure, teen story, sci-fi, historical, family story, love story...? Tick what applies?

 

 

Of course, it can be a bit from everything... but then it would look like you don't know what to do with the story. At least to me. I'm an old conservative, I like to know what I can expect from a story I'm reading (because then I know WHEN to read it - when I want a book to make me smile, I read what I know is a comedy or has a lot of comedy features, if I want thrill, I read something else, etc.).

 

 

[Linxe Termoil]

It's about a boy learning a little something about love, life and family.

 

Boo conservatism.

Edited January 15, 2011 by Linxe Termoil

[paya]

It's about a boy learning a little something about love, life and family.

 

Boo conservatism.

 

OK Looking forward to reading about the rest of it.

[Linxe Termoil]

Spider Webs Chapter 8 has been posted.

 

You can read it here.

 

Let me know what you all think

 

Linxe

[NMBR]

So, I just read the whole story so far, in one sitting I might add(because I have no life...and it was THAT good). I loved it. The characters are well meted out, realistic, and just ring true in general. Micah's a hoot-I happen to love his don't-take-no-shit-from-noone attitude. Patrick...okay, I so think he deserved more than those three measly punches he got, but I'm starting to warm up to him. I still fully expect an explanation from him, not to mention some serious ass kissing later on. 'Cause seriously? That was some f'd up s*** he pulled. And Michah's relationship with Joel is just really sweet; those two had some of my favorite scenes in the story. I could gush over this for forever but I won't. Just wanted you to know I loved it, and I can't wait to read more.

[Linxe Termoil]

So, I just read the whole story so far, in one sitting I might add(because I have no life...and it was THAT good). I loved it. The characters are well meted out, realistic, and just ring true in general. Micah's a hoot-I happen to love his don't-take-no-shit-from-noone attitude. Patrick...okay, I so think he deserved more than those three measly punches he got, but I'm starting to warm up to him. I still fully expect an explanation from him, not to mention some serious ass kissing later on. 'Cause seriously? That was some f'd up s*** he pulled. And Michah's relationship with Joel is just really sweet; those two had some of my favorite scenes in the story. I could gush over this for forever but I won't. Just wanted you to know I loved it, and I can't wait to read more.

 

Oooh. New fan! Score! Thanks, you just made my night (and welcome to GA, might I add).

 

Truth be told I've almost given up on this story, because I don't really ever here from anyone, so I wasn't even sure anyone actually liked it. Anyways, things have been busy for me lately, I do have the next chapter written, I just need to clean it up and send it off to the editor and then I can finish up chapter 10 (which I started two weeks ago, maybe 3?).

 

That said, does anyone feel like the story is going too slow. Sometimes I feel like I need to speed things up because it seems like it's going on a day by day basis and I'm not sure if anyone actually likes that. (Things will progress faster after a certain point), I'm just wondering how everyone else is taking it.

 

Let me know your thoughts guys! (and gals)

 

Linxe

[NMBR]

Oooh. New fan! Score! Thanks, you just made my night (and welcome to GA, might I add).

 

Truth be told I've almost given up on this story, because I don't really ever here from anyone, so I wasn't even sure anyone actually liked it. Anyways, things have been busy for me lately, I do have the next chapter written, I just need to clean it up and send it off to the editor and then I can finish up chapter 10 (which I started two weeks ago, maybe 3?).

 

That said, does anyone feel like the story is going too slow. Sometimes I feel like I need to speed things up because it seems like it's going on a day by day basis and I'm not sure if anyone actually likes that. (Things will progress faster after a certain point), I'm just wondering how everyone else is taking it.

 

Let me know your thoughts guys! (and gals)

 

Linxe

 

The pace is perfect, IMHO. Yeah, it's day to day but I wouldn't have it any other way. Micah and Joel have just gone through some huge life changing events, and I like watching them trying to struggle with their circumstances. The conflict is a lot of fun to watch/read. And it might seem slow to you, but it doesn't read that way. So keep up the good wok.

 

And please don't give up on the story. I've always been of the opinion that every story deserves an ending. And there's nothing more depressing than reading an awesome story, only to realize you've read it in vain 'cause the author lost inspiration and you'll never get to see how it ends. Seriously sucks monkey butt. LOL.

 

And yay for more chapters!

 

I've actually been a fan of gayauthors for a couple years, but was just a lurker/avid reader. Guess it just took a little inspiration to get me to come out of my shell.

[Linxe Termoil]

Spider Webs chapter 9 is now posted. It hasn't really been edited except for several quick and careful glance through's, so yeah. enjoy.

 

Sorry for the wait. You can find it here.. Let me know what you think.

 

 

Linxe

[Benji]

Spider Webs chapter 9 is now posted. It hasn't really been edited except for several quick and careful glance through's, so yeah. enjoy.

 

Sorry for the wait. You can find it here.. Let me know what you think.

 

 

Linxe

 

.......................... I'll be damn!! Where the hell have you been? I had to re-read chapter 8 to get back into the story, but fell right into it. I noticed some nice changes that fit in well. Looking forward to more.

[Linxe Termoil]

Haha. School takes up a lot of my time, plus remodeling the house and, well, yeah. Let's just say I've been really busy.

[Linxe Termoil]

Chapter 10 has been posted. Please rate and review, and discuss

Thanks,

 

Linxe

[wildone]

I really enjoyed getting caught up with Micah and the whole story again . Thanks for not forgetting about him

 

I liked the way that we are beginning to see why Patrick is the way that he is and that Micah is willing to allow himself to get to know him better. If Patrick is staying and not going to Wales because of Micah, I hope Micah can become the friend that Patrick wants. Reading between the lines, is Patrick always so unhappy in the photos with Reese because he knows Reese is straight and can't return his affections? Just a thought that came to mind.

 

Anyways, Thanks again for the chapter. A little birdie told me that some other chapters are soon to come Let's hope it's true, I'd hate to have to shoot the birdie