[DomLuka] DD 19

[Rabble_Rouser]

I'm hoping that Seth & Luke get together for a bit (I want to see Rory figure out what he wants only to not be able to have it... if I was a betting man, I still say that Rory & Luke will be together by the end).

 

My point wasn't that Luke is AS manulipitive as Aaron it is that he's not the flawless character I've percieved him to be up to this point.

 

Dave may still see Seth as "the enemy" because of his close association to Aaron. If he starts dating Luke it will be interesting to see if Dave accepts him and is friendly to him or if he plays the protecting best friend role not wanting to see Luke treated like he was by Aaron. I would imagine that if Luke was really interested in Rory, he would have talked to Dave about it... this could lead to some interesting chapters with Dave having a central role.

 

About Seth, before we decide he's a good guy, I still have a couple of nagging questions. If he was "so over" Aaron and tells Rory he's bad news, why does he hang out with him and agree to go to the movies with him (my impression was that Seth & Rory both didn't know the other was going to be there). Also, why was Seth at the party that Rory depicted as seedy?

 

Steve

[TheZot]

As much as evidence is starting to point against it, I'm still having a hard time believe that Seth is all peaches and lollipops. Maybe I'm blind to it, but to me he didn't seem interested in Rory, he just seemed hostile, maybe if anything annoyed that Aaron is playing the game all over again with someone new.

Nobody's all peaches and lollypops, but I can certainly understand Seth's reactions -- regardless of whether he likes Rory or not, Aaron's used him, and he seems pretty damn clear on what sort of slime Aaron is. A lot of his actions seem reasonable when viewed in a "f**k you, Aaron" light. While I'd bet a nickel he likes Rory, or at least really wants to get to know him well enough to find out if he likes Rory, I'd bet even more (maybe even a quarter) that he started out doing what he was doing either to protect people in general from Aaron or to try and screw up Aaron's plans. Who he was protecting was at best secondary.

 

Of course, there's the question of what Seth has hanging over his head. I dunno, but if I knew someone like Aaron, the only reason I'd let him do what he's done in the story was if there was something stopping me from inflicting grevious bodily injury...

[The Journeyman]

Okay, I'm fed up with Rory. He should go back to Grandma Alice so they can make each other miserable and not screw up the rest of humanity. Rory doesn't have a kind bone in his body. He has not demonstrated a kindness in 19 chapters, not one that he initiated himself. He hasn't been a friend to Luke, he has rejected every single attempt at people being kind to him, he is unappreciative of things people do for him, he is jealous, revengeful, blind, unfeeling and uncaring for everyone except his own damn self. I am almost to the point of not being able to read anything about him; I do it to see what the next selfish, stupid thing he'll do, and I'm not disappointed. If he stays in Arizona he will make Jase, Eddie and Luke miserable and maybe even rend the family apart. I once defended him because of what he'd been though; but no more. My defense of Rory days are over. Someone needs to pound the snot out of him, but that won't work because he'll just hold another grudge and won't figure that he played any any part in it or deserved it at all.

 

I'm afraid he's beyond redemption. We would have to have a bolt-of-lightning, Act-of-God type of moment for him to get it.

 

Rory sucks. And apparently doesn't even do that well.

 

Journeyman

[Jay]

Okay, I'm fed up with Rory. He should go back to Grandma Alice so they can make each other miserable and not screw up the rest of humanity. Rory doesn't have a kind bone in his body. He has not demonstrated a kindness in 19 chapters, not one that he initiated himself. He hasn't been a friend to Luke, he has rejected every single attempt at people being kind to him, he is unappreciative of things people do for him, he is jealous, revengeful, blind, unfeeling and uncaring for everyone except his own damn self. I am almost to the point of not being able to read anything about him; I do it to see what the next selfish, stupid thing he'll do, and I'm not disappointed. If he stays in Arizona he will make Jase, Eddie and Luke miserable and maybe even rend the family apart. I once defended him because of what he'd been though; but no more. My defense of Rory days are over. Someone needs to pound the snot out of him, but that won't work because he'll just hold another grudge and won't figure that he played any any part in it or deserved it at all.

 

I'm afraid he's beyond redemption. We would have to have a bolt-of-lightning, Act-of-God type of moment for him to get it.

 

Rory sucks. And apparently doesn't even do that well.

 

Journeyman

I agree with you. The only person he has ever been nice to is Aaron. And even when Aaron screws him over he goes back for more. He probably will this time too when Luke has Seth as his date for the party.

But knowing Dom we will have "bolt-of-lightning, Act-of-God" moment and I'm betting that it is traumatic one for Rory.

[Ann]

Ouch! What

[Rabble_Rouser]

I think before we completely write Rory off as completely unredemable, I think the one thing he has done in the last couple of chapters that shows there is a glimmer of hope for him, is the way he has done a 180 on his feelings towards Eddie. Even though Rory seems to be a little slow on the uptake in alot of ways (and he seems to go to great lengths to avoid any introspective thinking about his feelings) he has gone from out-and-out hatred of Eddie to wanting to spend time with him to actually wanting to defend Eddie in arguements with Jase and admitting that if\when he goes back to Alice, that one factor he considering as an arguement for staying is Eddie. He still has a long way to go before becoming an admirable character (like hating people for lying and yet, he still does it himself all the time) but he seems to finally be focusing on the one relationship he should have been focusing on before all the others.

[NaperVic]

Rory sucks. And apparently doesn't even do that well.

 

Journeyman

 

 

Low blow man, low blow.

 

*Vic stands protectively in front of Rory* :2hands:

[manicyaoi]

okay...first time poster, long time reader..bear with me!

anyway, am i the only one who will never be convinced that seth's a good guy and luke and rory shouldn't get together?? this chapter made me mad. i mean, i really really really want rory and luke to get together (partially because i'd like to see how eddie and jase would handle that announcement!! he he he). the whole luke/seth scenario just makes me go "ewwwwie...no!" mainly becuase in my mind, seth's a rat.

maybe i'm getting too involved with this story (tho it's really difficult not to, all dom's stuff is really well written).

i can't wait for chapter 20!!!

[AFriendlyFace]

I thought the secretary suggestion was brilliant. A bit of security wouldn't hurt, either.

I know! So what Rory really needs is a secretary with a gun!

 

Luke is not being conniving. His impression was that Seth was a gay guy masquerading as Angela's boyfriend. Showing Angela she's being used is not an especially evil thing to do and doesn't bear comparison for all the stuff that Aaron's been repeatedly forgiven for. It also does not mean that Seth and Luke are picking out their trousseau. The shirt trick and the rest seem to be effecting Rory as much as Seth and Luke believes in showing, not telling.

 

I agree, Alan. And you're right about the shirt trick too. Perhaps Luke figured "well it has no effect on Rory when I take off my shirt for him. Maybe he'll take notice if I do it for Seth."

 

Like Vic, I loved the way Rory shut Eddie up. That exchange goes into my top five Dom-lines. "Um ... I'll go get Jase's books." Priceless.

 

I still want to know WHAT Seth was going to say to Rory before Eddie interrupted him at the end of chapter 18. Argh!

 

Now we know for sure that Aaron(TLS) lied about Seth and Angela (like Philistine, I was already sure of it). Not sure what he had to gain by it.

 

I'm puzzled by Seth's abrupt change of behaviour and the making-Rory-jealous idea has appeal. I'd much rather he simply talk to Rory and explain why Rory's anger is misplaced. But that would make the story much shorter!

LOL I loved that line too, and was dying to know what Seth was about to say.

 

I think what Aaron might have had to gain by lying to Rory about Seth seeing Angela, is that perhaps he already knew of Seth's interest in Rory, or made a lucky guess, or didnt' want to take any chances. Whatever the case, telling Rory that would 1) take Seth "off the market" in Rory's eyes, and 2) serve to further make him dislike Seth since, undoubtedly, Aaron knows of Dave's attraction to Angela, and Rory's new friendship with Dave. Plus Angela was probably the only "believable" girl he could say, since the two are friends.

 

I also think Seth was about to have a talk along those lines with Rory in the last chapter, when Rory basically told him off again, and implied that he hated him.

 

 

okay...first time poster, long time reader..bear with me!

anyway, am i the only one who will never be convinced that seth's a good guy and luke and rory shouldn't get together?? this chapter made me mad. i mean, i really really really want rory and luke to get together (partially because i'd like to see how eddie and jase would handle that announcement!! he he he). the whole luke/seth scenario just makes me go "ewwwwie...no!" mainly becuase in my mind, seth's a rat.

maybe i'm getting too involved with this story (tho it's really difficult not to, all dom's stuff is really well written).

i can't wait for chapter 20!!!

 

Welcome to the Forum Mani! I hope you enjoy it here. Did you mean that you thought Luke and Rory getting together is a bad idea, but wanted to see it anyway, just to see how Eddie and Jase would react?

 

I personally think they should get together, and in the end I don't think Eddie and Jase will have that big a problem with it.

 

Anyway take care everyone.

Kevin

[Alan]

I know! So what Rory really needs is a secretary with a gun!

I agree, Alan. And you're right about the shirt trick too. Perhaps Luke figured "well it has no effect on Rory when I take off my shirt for him. Maybe he'll take notice if I do it for Seth."

LOL I loved that line too, and was dying to know what Seth was about to say.

 

I think what Aaron might have had to gain by lying to Rory about Seth seeing Angela, is that perhaps he already knew of Seth's interest in Rory, or made a lucky guess, or didnt' want to take any chances. Whatever the case, telling Rory that would 1) take Seth "off the market" in Rory's eyes, and 2) serve to further make him dislike Seth since, undoubtedly, Aaron knows of Dave's attraction to Angela, and Rory's new friendship with Dave. Plus Angela was probably the only "believable" girl he could say, since the two are friends.

 

Not sure, people like Aaron need their victims isolated. Everyone under 18 who lives in this town seems to hate Aaron's guts, so if Rory became friendly with anyone he was likely to hear things Aaron couldn't explain away.

 

I also think Seth was about to have a talk along those lines with Rory in the last chapter, when Rory basically told him off again, and implied that he hated him.

 

Rory should stop cutting people off. He does it to everyone he deals with. He hates it when Alice the Incomprehensible does it to him. I wonder how different the whole tale would be if Luke hadn't thrown Aaron's number out the window back in Chapter whatever.

 

Welcome to the Forum Mani! I hope you enjoy it here. Did you mean that you thought Luke and Rory getting together is a bad idea, but wanted to see it anyway, just to see how Eddie and Jase would react?

 

Word!

 

I personally think they should get together, and in the end I don't think Eddie and Jase will have that big a problem with it.

 

Anyway take care everyone.

Kevin

 

Jase will be calm and rational. Eddie will freak until someone hits him over the head with a piece of four-by-two. It runs in the family.

[coldrising]

 

Anyway, after reading this chapter I

[coldrising]

Okay, I'm fed up with Rory. He should go back to Grandma Alice so they can make each other miserable and not screw up the rest of humanity. Rory doesn't have a kind bone in his body. He has not demonstrated a kindness in 19 chapters, not one that he initiated himself. He hasn't been a friend to Luke, he has rejected every single attempt at people being kind to him, he is unappreciative of things people do for him, he is jealous, revengeful, blind, unfeeling and uncaring for everyone except his own damn self. I am almost to the point of not being able to read anything about him; I do it to see what the next selfish, stupid thing he'll do, and I'm not disappointed. If he stays in Arizona he will make Jase, Eddie and Luke miserable and maybe even rend the family apart. I once defended him because of what he'd been though; but no more. My defense of Rory days are over. Someone needs to pound the snot out of him, but that won't work because he'll just hold another grudge and won't figure that he played any any part in it or deserved it at all.

 

Nearly every chapter, I become frustrated with Rory. If he could just stop and listen and/or use common sense before acting, he'd be better off. I tell myself that Rory is the way he is because of what he's been throught (losing his mom, relationship with his grandma, relationship with his father, etc.), but how long can you blame the same tragedies over and over again for your actions.

I'm glad he's finally coming around in regards to Aaron, but I still believe he has to re-evaluate his other relationships, or lack thereof (Luke, Eddi,e Seth, etc.).

 

I'm still trying to rationalize his actions, so I won't end up hating him, but some times I just want to reach through my computer monitor and slap him, then strangle, him, then slap him some more, until he realizes how self-centered he can be, as well as, blind to the actions/behavior/personalities of others (primarily, Aaron,Seth,Luke). And as previously stated, at least he's "seen the light" with Aaron, but let's hope that he doesn't have a TLS-Relapse

[Guest Xaphan]

I personally think Luke's attempt to seduce Seth was totally justified. I mean really, it's Seth's fault if he chooses to show an interest in Luke, regardless of whether or not Luke is flirting with him. I think that may have been Luke's goal, to get Seth to show an interest, not to be like "HEY ANGELA LOOK AT HIM DROOLING OVER ME THIS GUY'S A TOTAL FAG!" if Seth happened to be caught staring.

[JotaJota31]

I think Seth is actually a good guy, and if you think back through the Seth/Rory interactions, it seems like Seth has been into Rory the whole time. Seth has been constantly trying to keep Rory away from Aaron, not out of jealousy, but because he is seemingly trying to protect him. Sitting next to Rory in the movies, nocking Aaron on his ass and driving Rory home from the party, walking him to the door... these all seem like things done out of affection.

 

Remember, whatever interaction we saw between Luke and Seth was through Rory's eyes, and I have a feeling their 'flirting' may have been over exaggerated because of this, and it may have just been friendly banter. I will be surprised if Luke and Seth get together, because as people have pointed out, that would leave no one for Rory!

[coldrising]

I personally think Luke's attempt to seduce Seth was totally justified. I mean really, it's Seth's fault if he chooses to show an interest in Luke, regardless of whether or not Luke is flirting with him. I think that may have been Luke's goal, to get Seth to show an interest, not to be like "HEY ANGELA LOOK AT HIM DROOLING OVER ME THIS GUY'S A TOTAL FAG!" if Seth happened to be caught staring.

 

Everyone assumed that Angela and Seth were a couple. If Luke was able to get Seth to show interest in him, especially if Angela saw this. Then, ideally, Angela would break up with Seth because he's gay. I thought this was Luke's plan (but, then again, maybe i misinterpreted that part). Anyways, this would, effectively, "out" Seth to these people.

 

Now, some people may think it's justified, but no one deserves to be outed, unless they're ready to and it's on there own terms.

 

Aaron, for example, is a big asshole. However, I don't care how much of a bastard he is, He doesn't deserve to be outed to his parents. It's the same with Seth. Does anyone really deserve that, when they're not ready?

 

From my point of view, Luke views Seth as an obstacle towards Dave's and Angela's not-yet-existing relationship and from the impression he got from Rory is that he's an asshole. So Luje finds it perfectly justifiable to flirt with him, in hopes of breaking Angela and him up (and subsequently outing him in the process).

 

That's does more than tarnish his halo.

 

I'm sorry if I'm beginning to sound redundant(I'm just having trouble articulating my point).

And I'm sorry if I seem to be overreacting, but like I said Does anyone really deserve that, when they're not ready?

 

EDIT: And I also wanted to comment that it does seem likely that everyone is trying to make someone jealous. It makes sense that Angela and Seth would be in cahoots to make dave jealous and maybe force him into some action. And Luke's original intentions could have changed since he saw the opportunity to make Rory jealous. And seth did the same when he noticed luke flirting with him.

 

I'm going crazy waiting for the next chapter and I'm going through various emotions regarding the characters. Now? I like Seth, not liking Luke, hating Rory. Who knows how the next chapter will affect my view of these guys.

Edited December 18, 2005 by coldrising

[Alan]

My first impression of Luke was that he was an overall nice guy and he was portrayed that way up to this chapter. Bearing in mind that most people thought Seth and Angela were a couple, I consider it a low-blow that Luke was willing to "seduce" and/or flirt with Seth in hopes of him getting caught by Angela (and effectively, breaking the couple up). It's petty low to try to out someone just so your friend can have a chance with his crush. People should come out on their own terms, not be outed by someone else for, what I consider, a petty reason. Although, it's later revealed tha Seth and Angela were never really a couple. So, really, how "good" is Luke.

 

I'd agree if Luke had sent a press release to the local media or postered the school. Outing Seth to a group that are themselves gay-friendly is not anything like that. Breaking up a couple when one of them is misleading the other is not such a bad thing to do. Remember, also, that Luke's beliefs about Seth are coloured by Seth's closeness to Aaron and his apparent treatment of Rory.

[coldrising]

I'd agree if Luke had sent a press release to the local media or postered the school. Outing Seth to a group that are themselves gay-friendly is not anything like that. Breaking up a couple when one of them is misleading the other is not such a bad thing to do. Remember, also, that Luke's beliefs about Seth are coloured by Seth's closeness to Aaron and his apparent treatment of Rory.

 

Wasn't Rory a bit unsure of Luke's friends knowing he was gay although they are gay friendly. We don't know enough about Seth to know if he'd be comfortable with all these people knowing. As a matter of fact, we don't even know about how many people know he's gay.

 

And you say this group his gay-friendly, which is true. Seth is already on bad footing with everyone (except the girls) because he's "dating" Angela. To top it off, this group is Anti-Aaron, so whos' to say they wouldn't manage to use his homosexuality to screw with him? Luke knows that Seth likes guys, and he's using that to his advantage to manipulate him/flirt with him etc. What does it matter" "He's just using Angela and he's friends with Aaron. He deserves everything he gets" (Yeah, Yeah. I paraphrased).

 

The group is nice until they find something they don't like about you. Luke (prior to this chapter) was the epitome of "nice", but he doesn't seem to take into consideration Seth's emotions (and why would he? Seth is a jerk just like his buddy Aaron). So if Luke is capable of this, can't the rest of his "friendly" companions do something as equally shady.

 

 

P.S. how many posts do I have to make before i'm not a "newbie".

EDIT: The Answer? 5

2nd EDIT: Portraying Luke as the new "shady" character will be my crusade (until the next chapter, when my mood shifts, of course). Although, I doubt I'll gather any supporters. Too many people like Luke too much. And who can blame them? Look at the wide selection of main teenage characters: Rory, Luke, Aaron, Seth(he does seem to becoming more prominent). Most will say not enough is known about a lot of these guys to make a decision (esp. Seth), so you choose the most reliable nice guy out of the lot. I have my work cut out for me, especially since smearing Luke's good name on the forums will not earn me any support or respect.

Edited December 18, 2005 by coldrising

[Ann]

If everyone present already knew that Seth was Aaron

Edited December 18, 2005 by Ann

[coldrising]

If everyone present already knew that Seth was Aaron

Edited December 18, 2005 by coldrising

[NaperVic]

I have my work cut out for me, especially since smearing Luke's good name on the forums will not earn me any support or respect.

 

Nor will it earn you any Domaholic merchandise.

 

Also, don't be surprised if you receive a visit from Luke's legal team if you continue to besmirsh his reputation.

 

Vic the Domaholic

[coldrising]

Nor will it earn you any Domaholic merchandise.

 

Also, don't be surprised if you receive a visit from Luke's legal team if you continue to besmirsh his reputation.

 

Vic the Domaholic

I should still be entitled to Good Domaholic gear. You know, the stuff without reference to Aaron, Rory, or Luke

 

And I'm only smearing his name for the benefit of Seth. I s'pose I'm just a sucker for a mysterious guy who walks you to the door (That's what I call exciting yet old-fashion; my kind of man).

[yue]

Woo first post.

 

 

Anyhow, I'm a bit..afraid of what's to come after reading Dom's blog update......

[NaperVic]

Woo first post.

Anyhow, I'm a bit..afraid of what's to come after reading Dom's blog update......

 

Welcome to Domaholic's Yue!!!!

 

I think many of us are afraid of what's going to happen over the next couple of chapters . So strap yourself in and enjoy the ride.

 

Take Care,

 

Vic

[NickolasJames8]

OK, I know Im gonna get flamed for this, but here goes.......Luke and Seth hook up, but then Aaron comes around and soon, Aaron and Luke get back together and Rory ends up either alone or with Seth ....or..............Aaron shows up drunk at the party and thats when Luke leaves with him and ends up doing it with him and they get bk together....either way, Aaron and Luke end up back together, that's the way it should be

[Jay]

Remember, whatever interaction we saw between Luke and Seth was through Rory's eyes, and I have a feeling their 'flirting' may have been over exaggerated because of this, and it may have just been friendly banter. I will be surprised if Luke and Seth get together, because as people have pointed out, that would leave no one for Rory!

I've been thinking about this myself. It could be that they were having a laugh about their mutual ex. Or maybe Seth was telling Luke about the look on Eddy's face when he thought Seth had given Rory the hicky. As JotaJota31 says friendly banter.

 

On another topic I must be the only one who thinks that Rory's remark to Eddy about getting his mother pregnant at 16 was just plain nasty.