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On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is?

#300035 - 04/07/04 12:56 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

Seeing some of the attitudes toward pornography in general, and the approach of Ashcroft in the US, as well as other places, I thought the following article would be interesting to note and discuss.

 

I know my parents are VERY much against pornography, and against many other items. When at home with them, my internet use is HIGHLY restricted and extremely monitored (you can always tell when I'm with them as I don't come here as often). They may be conservative, or perhaps just smart...who knows.

 

However, on the topic of pornography, there are some that say it is harmless, whilst others say it is the devils own creation. I can see how it is harmful in the context of today, and what seem to be their target audiences. Heck, I get pornographic emails, and have been for several years, now it goes in the spam pile separated by the email providers luckily. However, it seems that there is a LOT of it targetted towards children. I shouldn't look up something, like say, disney, and have porn show up.

 

On the otherhand there are those who say it infringes on their rights, and as long as it is used by only those who can, it is harmless. However, on that topic, I found the following article, with it's relative ideas pertaining to crime and sex stores, as well as sex businesses rather enlightening, and showed me that a lot of my suspicions were not all that misplaced on the influence of Pornography on crime and other activities.

 

The article is a PDF and rather long.

 

http://www.enough.org/justharmlessfun.pdf

 

And now, what is your opinion?

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: Dash Jones]

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I think it is VERY harmful. My arms are tired!!!

 

 

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: Dash Jones]

#300051 - 04/07/04 01:07 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

Are we talkin' porn with ugly or pretty chicks?

 

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: Death_Merchant]

#300061 - 04/07/04 01:15 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

Great answer DM! Although in my younger days I am guilty of being with women who were "models" after a good couple of rounds of drinks, only to wake up wondering how quickly I could escape without being rude or mean!

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: JMM]

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Great answer DM! Although in my younger days I am guilty of being with women who were "models" after a good couple of rounds of drinks, only to wake up wondering how quickly I could escape without being rude or mean!

 

 

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Been there, done that, and I'd stayed home with my porn instead of going out, I'd have never woken up with gay, Jewish, Republican, with a pony-tail and who was ten years older than me.

 

Porn is good...it keeps me out of trouble.

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: TheJudge]

#300074 - 04/07/04 01:26 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ad361896/anne/c...isticspage.html

 

Funny how in countries that do NOT have a problem with porn or legalized prostitution, rape and sexual assaults are FAR LESS.

 

http://www.nmsu.edu/~frontera/may01/secr.html

 

This is not to say that porn or legalized prostitution is good or bad, we will all have our views on the issue and they will differ, but I find it very interesting that the more you permit something that is a lesser evil, the lesser evil it breeds.

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: Dash Jones]

#300079 - 04/07/04 01:33 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

mmmmmm pr0n

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: 762]

#300084 - 04/07/04 01:41 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

great thread...

 

How long until we start pm'ing each other to start swapping pictures of our wives, girlfriends, moms, or sisters? (or just swap the actual people)

 

I can give my IM details if need be

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: Dash Jones]

#300088 - 04/07/04 01:44 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

 

Well... Porn is inherrently destructive to a monogamus relationship because it creates an "erotic" ideal that can not possibly be fufilled by one's exclusive partner.

 

Therefore, since I believe in the institute of marrige for both religous And social reasons, I think it is very, very destructive.

 

Do romance books also create an unrealistic "romantic" ideal that one's partner cannot live up to as well?

 

I'd say probably so - especially over time...

 

 

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: Dash Jones]

#300097 - 04/07/04 01:55 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

I think porn is probably very much like most other potentially harmful substances: something that should be kept out of the hands of minors, and something that is probably OK for some adults, in moderation.

 

For other adults, it is just plain bad.

 

If you are ever in the position of having porn alter your view of / relationships with the opposite (or same, for the Judge ) sex, then it is probably not a healthy thing for you. The trick would be determining when / if that happens.

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: Sethan]

#300102 - 04/07/04 02:05 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

Before one can decide if porn is harmful or not, one must first define porn.

 

Is it just naked people? If so then MIchelangelo's David is porn.

 

Is it specific body parts that are naked? That could make a picture describing how to perform a breast self exam porn.

 

Is naked okay as long as they aren't doing specific acts?

 

Which acts are prohibited and which are allowed?

 

Do the depictions have to show an actual act or just a simulation?

 

What about context?

 

 

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: Dash Jones]

#300129 - 04/07/04 02:47 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

Pornography is our answer to being clothed...

 

Do countries with common nudity have more or less issues dealing with porn legal or not?

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: ActiveX]

#300131 - 04/07/04 02:51 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

Have you seen German or other European porn? It makes our stuff look like June cleaver revealing a little ankle in comparison.

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: Stormbringer]

#300133 - 04/07/04 02:53 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

Hehe, I dont think porn itself is our problem its our sexually suppressive society, we were largely derived from Puritans, and so are our laws...

 

We are getting less tight over time though so one day depression might actually decrease...

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: ActiveX]

#300142 - 04/07/04 03:00 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

meh like most young adults most of my sexual education came from porn......seperate the good bits from the crap and well....i've never had a problem pleasing my partner (even the first time:p).......so in that instance, for me its great:D

I can see though where there may be a problem...........alot of pr0n focus on teenage girls, the younger the better (18+)...i can see how this could lead to an addiction of sorts as people want to see younger and younger girls getting jiggy with mr biggy to the point where they start viewing the less legal stuff (-18)......

same in the case with other "extreme stuff".......i.e. people have been known to kill their partner accidenty by asfixiation (sp?) or choking them.....intentionally or not its still something catered for by the porn industry and may give a few wackos a few too many ideas.......

I can see how someones only experience of a woman other than in pr0n is of a 30 stone heffa due to their less then desirable looks and this could lead to rape as they see how "nice" it could be to screw a pretty little mid 20's thing.

 

Then you have to take into the account wheither or not the girls are treated well, are they paid well, do they get threatened if they dont want to do a movie, are they effectively raped on camera(i.e. forced to do anal)...........................besides one thing thats always confused me.......why is it ok for a girl to get paid for screwing a stranger on camera but not ok for them to screw random strangers off the street for money?

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: Gambler]

#300149 - 04/07/04 03:12 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

I thought this might be somewhat relevant in a sexually repressive society. I know it's good news for me.

 

Sex lowers Cancer Risk

 

All hail the prostate!

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: TheJudge]

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I thought this might be somewhat relevant in a sexually repressive society. I know it's good news for me.

 

Sex lowers Cancer Risk

 

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No offense, TheJudge, but I would think your specific "brand" of sexual contact would outweigh the relatively small benefits of the increased sexual contact. So while this is "better news" for you. I would think the myriad of information about the increased risks any homosexual male runs would outweigh such a benefit.

 

Just don't want to make it sound like more sex, regardless of the type of sex, is healthier than not.

 

Quite frankly from what I read it appears that masturbation would be the "best" way to up these figures safely. If that is what you originally meant, I apologize, for the misunderstanding.

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: GE-Raven]

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I thought this might be somewhat relevant in a sexually repressive society. I know it's good news for me.

 

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No offense, TheJudge, but I would think your specific "brand" of sexual contact would outweigh the relatively small benefits of the increased sexual contact. So while this is "better news" for you. I would think the myriad of information about the increased risks any homosexual male runs would outweigh such a benefit.

 

Just don't want to make it sound like more sex, regardless of the type of sex, is healthier than not.

 

Quite frankly from what I read it appears that masturbation would be the "best" way to up these figures safely. If that is what you originally meant, I apologize, for the misunderstanding.

 

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Let's just say I play it safer (since there is no such thing as totally safe except abstinence). And yes, I like watching porn when masturbating. Funny thing is, after watching porn and masturbating, I am less likely to actually try to pick someone up at the bar or when I go out....So that can be an example of porn as a positive influence.

 

In a committed relationship, I have to admit that porn didn't play much of a role except maybe getting one of us hot and bothered, and giving ideas for new things to try. It wasn't a steady presence, nor was it a detriment. Again, I think it depends more on the individual and how they use it, like anything else in this world.

 

I'm also fairly uninhibited about answering questions that many would balk at....so sorry if anyone gets squeamish.

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: TheJudge]

#300208 - 04/07/04 04:35 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

Well, there's two mental images I didn't need....

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: Dash Jones]

#300225 - 04/07/04 05:06 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

I have no problem with it as long as it doesn't involve children, and is not abusive to women.

I can see why Ashcroft wants to go after some of the stuff out there it is really pushing the limit, BUT the problem with a zealot like him self is he wont stop there. I don't need the government dictating morality to me

What people do that is not illegal in their own homes is nobody's business, Especially some repressed Govt official who covers up statues breasts.

I would much rather have porn available only over the Internet, Than have a porn store & its associated weirdos in or near my neighborhood.

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: Death_Merchant]

#300231 - 04/07/04 05:12 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

Well I look at Porn. Yes, I'll admit to it. I don't think it is harmful to myself. But there's porn and then there is...other porn. What type of porn would you regard as harmful? The Sun, a UK tabloid, has a girl showing her tits on page 3 every day and can be legally bought by anyone. Then of course you could have some kind of wierd kiddie dungeon sex with snakes or something. Such things could promote pedophillia or rape.

 

I think I'd go with Sethan on this one. Provided the porn subjects are not being exploited, (and that could be a fine line to draw), and the porn is not creating something negative in the voyeur then I don't think it is harmful and maybe of some theraputic value.

 

Also there's the question of free porn. Is it right to file share and rip-off copyrighted pornographic material? I don't think many people would have any qualms about that, would they?

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: Dash Jones]

#300274 - 04/07/04 06:30 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

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You best keep your hands off my porn, if you know what's good for ya.

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: SL-Punisher]

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You best keep your hands off my porn boy if you know what's good for ya.

 

 

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You own your own porn boy? Isn't that expensive keeping him around the house like that.

 

 

 

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: TheJudge]

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You know I hate it when I forget to add a punctuation mark.

 

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: SL-Punisher]

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Is he for rent? I've been looking at too much porn today....

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: TheJudge]

#300323 - 04/07/04 07:25 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

Wouldn't that make him a rent boy, something I hear you're quite familiar with? lol

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: SL-Punisher]

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Wouldn't that make him a rent boy, something I hear you're quite familiar with? lol

 

 

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HEY! I've never paid for sex (as long as you don't count buying drinks, drugs, flowers, dinner, the movies, or condoms).

 

 

OUCH! I messed up there. That should be: I've never had to pay for sex with a GUY! (Bought a prostitute in the Phillipines to keep up the straight image, and then ended up sleeing with her Marine boyfriend as well...but I didn't PAY FOR HIM, he was just a side benefit. She got to take the second night off and spend it with her daughter while I spent it with him.).

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: TheJudge]

#300350 - 04/07/04 07:48 PM Edit Reply Quote

 

 

 

SO you paid for the woman to get her guy?

 

Umm...sounds like robbing peter to pay paul --- err I mean stealing peter from paula after you paid her.

 

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: SL-Punisher]

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SO you paid for the woman to get her guy?

 

Umm...sounds like robbing peter to pay paul --- err I mean stealing peter from paula after you paid her.

 

 

 

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No, no ,no. He showed up AFTER I paid for her and I had no idea he was going to be there. it was just a VERY lucky circumstance for me. Especially since three guys from the ship saw me leave with her, but never saw HIM since they didn't follow us to where she lived. She didn't even know he was going to be home. Luckily my "I don't mind both of us having fun" comment led to something I very much preferred than just her.

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: TheJudge]

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lol I see....so you can cross off "Hire Phillipino hooker" on your things to do list

 

BTW: How much is a Philipino hooker?

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: SL-Punisher]

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lol I see....so you can cross off "Hire Phillipino hooker" on your things to do list

 

BTW: How much is a Philipino hooker?

 

 

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I paid $20 a day for two days as her 'bar fine'. You don't pay her, you pay the bartender at the bar you meet her at (don't pick them up off the streets. The ones in the bar are checked by Navy doctors for diseases and receive health ID cards. The ones on the streets caught something and don't have that ID card anymore and can't get work in the bars).

 

Her name was Merlinda and had the cutest four-year old girl (half-American). I actually considered (for about two minutes) marrying her and bringing them both back to the states as a "cover" but decided I really didn't care enough to go through that much trouble.

 

 

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: TheJudge]

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You know I find it constantly amazing how far people are pushed to cover their true lives.

 

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Re: On the topic of Porn, how harmful do you think it is? [Re: SL-Punisher]

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You know I find it constantly amazing how far people are pushed to cover their true lives.

 

 

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Bringing this back on topic....remembering that little event, I'd have to say porn was very helpful. Watching MMF bi-sexual porn made me at least look like I knew what I was doing at the time.

 

(MMF is short for Male on Male on Female).

 

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[Forloyn]

well...

 

to say porn is bad is just silly.

 

but then there is always a good time for things and a bad time for things.

 

To put it bluntly humans need a release something to focuse there energy on, if you don't get them one the presher will build till it eventuly exploads, and no exploshen I have ever seen was good.

 

Porn provides a 'safe' way to release some of that persher.

you take that away and you are going to cuase problems ferther down the line.

 

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though, I must admit I am also far to lazy to read the entirty of your post, I got the genral idea.

 

Porn is nether good nor bad, but nether can you say it's not harmful. porn in the wrong hands can be harmful, like the 8 year old who has no clue what sex is. Should Porn be controled? to a exsent yes. it is the job and obligation of the parents to moniter there own children no the manufactuer of the porn it's self.

 

To just say that it's the job of the people who make the porn to make sure minors don't get there hands on it is ludricus. sure they 'could' make it harder to get but a lot I would say a good 50% of porn sells is done anominisly. though every american has seen and used porn at some point in there life (if they say otherwise they are ether liers or in needs of a shrink) not all will 'admit' to having seen or used porn. So makeing porn harder to get would efectivly kill the busness.

 

Not to mention the porn makers can't watch your children as closely as you do. I mean you live with the child (hopfully) they don't.

 

To sum up my rather long post.

 

Your the Adult, do what you think is write conserning this mater.

[EricCase]

First, let me start by saying this was the longest post ever ever in the history of the universe!

 

Hmm well without getting embroiled in a debate of erotica vs pornography I watched my first "pornographic" material when I was like 11 and thought it was freakin great! lmbo I think maybe most young guys get introduced to the whole sex thing via porn especially nowadays when it's so readily available so I think for censorship, parents need to take responsibility and that's for most things. It's the same with tv shows and parents (mostly moms) complaining about program content, they need to be parents and occaisionally turn the tv off.

 

Is porn harmful? What a weird question! It's the same with evvverything - too much of anything is harmful, but anything in moderation... unless it's crazy bad, like I guess having like rat poison in moderation is still realllly bad, but porn? lol I don't think porn has an adverse affect on marriage. I think poor communication and a lack of understanding of the necessity to seperate the eroticism from the relationship somewhat needs to be better understood. You have your "lets do it" vocabulary that's used at certain times, and your "we're outside the bedroom now" vocabulary for other times and as long as there are no issues of loss of respect why not do what they do in porn unless it's really freaky in which case you're just freaky anyway maybe and might just have picked the wrong person lol As Shaggy put it "I want a freaky girl" (or boy!)

 

[BillM]

There are certain cases where porn can be harmful even to adults. In one of my second year psych classes we read about a guy who watched copius amounts of pornography, and then kidinapped women and did the things he saw on the pornos to them. After he was sentenced he tried to sue the porn companies for 'ensnaring him'

 

This is a extreme case but it can show us that anything can be dangerous when goes overboard. It also shows us that pornography can be addictive, jsut like all of the other good things in life so as Eric said, moderation is needed.

 

As for children, I believe that around the age 12 and onwards is OK to be viewing pornography, so long as it is not on a regular basis and adults have already explained to the child why those two (or more) people are having sex in front of the camera and can put it into context for them so they dont go around thinking all hot girls/guys are sex objects.

[Ghost]

A few short notes on the subject:

 

- Man was biologically not made for monogamous relationships, and no matter how much society would like it, we're still victims to our own biology

 

- Same for kids; 13 year olds are only kids in our society, biologically speaking they are no longer kids and as such we shouldn't try to shield them so much as teach them to handle the new information with the necessary care.

Parents always tend to be overprotective controlfreaks; problem is that the more they protect them, the more vulnerable they are.

 

 

- there'll always be idiots trying to take advantage of the system; if the system is stupid enough to allow idiots to take advantage of it.

[miguelsanchez55]

In a truly enlightened society we wouldn't be having this discussion so I'll simply say, parents need to be truly educated so they can teach their children about all aspects of life. This not only goes for what pron is but also about accepting gays and they do straights.

 

Once this happens I think our world will be alot better.

 

Take care,

Mike :sword:

[Bill W]

What pornography is, like beauty, lies in the eyes of the beholder. We bring much baggage with us everytime we make decisions about topics such as this, from the family values passed on to us, mores picked up at school or from our peers, or religious values we've been exposed to over time, as well as any personal feelings we might have developed as we matured. Therefore, there is no simple answer to that question.

 

Whether or not it is harmful depends on how it is used. If it is used for personal enjoyment and for personal stimulation, it seems this would be an individual choice, like choosing a mate, and therefore not harmful. If it is used to gleen ideas and emulate with unwilling partners, then a whole new issue arises. In addition, pornography can no more be blamed for someone breaking the law than ideas taken from a book, a movie, or tv program, which often portrays criminal activities of the worse kind. It may have been the catalyst for what happened, but it was not the root cause. That lies in the inadequate moral compass within the individual.

 

When it comes to parents and their children, again that is a personal matter, based on similar factors as were listed above. Until the child is old enough and/or mature enough to make those choices for himself, then the parents values will be superimposed. It is up to the parent, then, to monitor what the child is allowed to view, until that time comes.

 

Hope my two-cents helped. Bill