Wow ... i won't write down what i'd have told him to do.  i zero patience or kind thoughts to fathers of that ilk.  they make me sick.

yes, a public place seems a good idea to me as well. much luck to you Fae.
if it were me it'd be a good thing that i know how to stay quiet

2 minutes ago, mollyhousemouse said:

yes, a public place seems a good idea to me as well. much luck to you Fae.
if it were me it'd be a good thing that i know how to stay quiet

lol -- it's probably a good thing that when I start to get extremely emotional I tend to stop speaking

Well......   that was "fun."  Lots of nodding and non-committal murmurings from me.

"They never tell me anything!  I didn't even know about W's graduation until I saw it on Facebook after-the-fact."   Gee...   Here's a thought:  you know [theoretically] that your boy is 18, you know that High Schools have graduation ceremonies in May, how about PICKING UP THE PHONE AND ASKING HIM WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE!?

Was also saying how he was glad he had a relationship with the oldest again and said he hoped the others would come around eventually.  He did make one statement about how he might, possibly, have done things during the breakup that contributed to things being messed up now; but why is it all their responsibility to fix things?  How about [again] PICK UP THE PHONE, call them, own up to "I know I messed things up", and tell them [honestly] that you'd like to try and salvage what you can of the relationship.

It never fails to surprise by just how horrible we can be to our families.  How very, very sad. 

That man needs a beat down. You're too damn nice...

This makes me so very sad. It amazes me how awful people can be. I understand people fall out of love, but how can one fall so far away from one's own children?

He want's to "stay in touch."  That's not going to happen.