[DomLuka] DD CH 17!

[BoyNeedsTherapy]

Dom's really spoiling us with all these updates. We you Dom!

 

 

 

 

Ugh, aaron, bleh.

Edited December 9, 2005 by BoyNeedsTherapy

[Dalmania]

[This is the best chapter yet.

We may be "spoiled" by getting new chapters quite frequently

and yes I will say thanks to Dom but the story pulls me in

and i am willing to be called as spoiled as long as the chapters

keep on coming.

 

Great work once again.

[Alan]

My skin actually crawled reading this one. I was watching a documentary last night where someone described a sociopath as someone who looks and sounds human but actually has no human sense of other people's existence or rights. The contrast between Luke (who has it so bad for Rory) being ready to give Rory up because he cares, and Aaron's manipulation is stark.

 

Needless to say, I credit Aaron's sad tale, which is fundamentally different from his previous account of the car stealing, about as much as I credit my ability to wait calmly and patiently for the next chapter.

 

Amazing stuff.

[connman]

okay a few things about aaron. his ultimatum was totally uncalled for, if you have to make someone choose between you and someone/something else then there isn't a whole lot there in a friendship or relationship to begin with is there? And that "story" about his parents, sounds like some serious exagerations on his part, which fit's in with his explanation for blaming luke for stealing the car. i'm sorry did i say explanation i meant excuse. i mean "i don't want to admit to stealing the car cause my rent's will figure i'm gay cuz i was with luke." what a load. that's so going from a to z while skipping the other 24 letter's in between. for that matter where the heck was the dude he was doing behind luke's back that supposedly stole the car and aaron was just sort of along for the ride with. in which case he just let aaron take off with the stolen car by himself. riiiiiight, ok. then there's the sex, he lets rory suck him off but reciprocates with a hand job. fine, maybe he's not into giving head (or more accurately not into giving anyone anything), it's a possiblility. but why not let that be known up front, and the brush off he gives rory after being intimate. he's just completely inconsiderate of rory, it's like he doesn't take into account the fact that rory's knew to this. or i could say what i really think which is that he just doesn't care.

 

let's face it people, aaron may be trying to be a better person, and he deserved the benefit of the doubt that he had changed in the beginning. but he hasn't done one thing as far as i'm concerned that show's he's changed. actions speack louder than words. you can apologize until you're blue in the face, but that's just a start. you have to follow through. you can't just want to be a better person you have to work at it. it ain't easy, it's not supposed to be. he should own up to stealing the car, not to prove that he's a good guy, not to get luke out of trouble, but because he did it. he stole the car. he's a coward and he's untrustworthy. that's an important one, he's untrustworthy. if he's not willing to come forward about that because of what might happen with his family, then what else will he do to keep his secret? aaron simply put is dangerous. frankly i think rory's first crush/love/relationship is definately going to go nuclear. but maybe, just maybe he'll stop being a brat and grow up having experienced it.

 

 

wow what a rant. oh, great story dom. can't forget the accolades

[Jay]

I'll say this. If Aaron is as bad as a lot of us seem to think (and I still think he is) then he is really really good at being bad! He almost had me feeling sorry for him with his tale of woe. He is a great example of Dom's character development abilities.

[Tim the Traveller]

Ok, so a garbage truck would work too--i'm not picky

 

Dom, great chapter!! We're not worthy!

 

I sincerely hope that Luke has an excellent ending in this story no matter who it's with--the boy's got class.If Dom were to write in the storyline somewhere that Luke's shit didn't stink, I think I'd believe it.

[Bardeara]

Ok maybe I'm a bit off, but when Rory and Aaron was talking about Aaron's parents and how they found out about Luke. I thought that took place on Sunday. Then on Monday, Luke came home and invited his friends over so they could plan the birthday party. Next Day Aaron and Rory goes to the water park which is Tuesday and then afterwards end up at Aaron's house.

 

Question. Why where they saying 'Yesterday' when Aaron told Rory about the parents finding out about Luke when in fact it happened 'the other day?'

 

Maybe I am wrong, it is late, but I just wanted to make certain.

 

 

I guess I was right. Rory did stay with Aaron afterwards. Dom's putting so much story into these two being together that now he's having Rory compaire Aaron and him with his Father. Makes me wonder if Aaron will be who Rory chooses in the end.

[Tempus-Fugit]

Yeah... changing who you are DOES take work.

 

It doesn't just happen overnight... that said, Aaron is trying.

 

He can't just be after one thing from Rory. If he was, why on earth would they spend the day together? Why not just drag Rory back to his house in the first place?

 

I think Aaron has a real problem with being intimate after sex. It's almost like an emotional disconnect. Think about it - his parents think being gay is a terrible thing. They've tried to drum that into him. Maybe on some level he can't quite forgive himself for who he is.

 

Yeah... I'm still reaching lol.

 

I just don't think we can damn Aaron body and soul. There are glimpses of real tenderness sometimes.

 

Do I think the ultimatum was right? Hell no. He never should have put Rory in that position. He even recognises that. In some way Rory recognises that (and interestingly enough, Rory found a way to serve both sides.)

 

However the relationship turns out, Rory is growing. And evolving. He's learning from Aaron. Learning from being with him.

 

If TLW was a story about finding love, perhaps this story is about finding love, and loosing it because ultimately the people just aren't suited. I don't believe Aaron and Rory are perfect for each other. But, in some ways, they are good for each other.

 

Aaron might be a manipulator through and through who hones in on people he can use. And Rory, bless him, is all too naive in a lot of things. That said, he's an emotional minefield of sorts. I don't think Aaron's quite ready for what he may have let himself in for...

 

I don't see Rory as the kind of character who's just gonna let Aaron's behaviour slide if he starts to treat him badly. He's going to want answers. Even if they aren't ones he wants to hear.

 

Oh and kudos to Luke. It takes real strength of character to do what he did. But, that doesn't mean that Luke and Rory are suited either. I'm not sure Rory can learn from Luke in the way that he'll learn from Aaron if that makes any sense...

 

We're still not getting a full picture from Aaron about his past. He's still holding back, and I'm willing to bet once those blanks are filled in, we'll know exactly how to feel about him.

 

Dom's being careful and just toeing the line of what's acceptable and what isn't. Occasionally just going over the line.

 

We don't have enough evidence to condemn Aaron. We only have enough to know that we should be wary of him.

 

But to call him dangerous? No.

 

Playing baseball and not keeping your eye on the ball? That is dangerous lol.

 

What surprises me is that Dom thinks this story will turn out longer than TLW. By this point, Owen and Aiden were well on the way to coupledom. I think at this point in the story, Rory has to end up with either Aaron or Luke. At the very least, someone we already know. Maybe he has to dabble with both before he can choose...

 

Maybe in the end that's what he'll be faced with. A choice. He can choose Luke - reliable, honest, hard-working (dare I say 'true'? lol). Or Aaron - sexy, mysterious, rebellious (and dare I say 'elusive'?)

 

The heart or the head, Rory. The heart or the head.

[NaperVic]

It's that most

wonderful time

of the year

 

Dom's posting like mad lately, AND I LOVE IT! Thanks Dom!

 

Aaron is a master manipulator at getting what he wants. Luckily, Loyal Luke will be there to pick up the pieces when Aaron really screws over Rory. Luke has show his unconditional love/like of Rory.

 

Vic the Domaholic

[BoyNeedsTherapy]

The heart or the head, Rory. The heart or the head.

 

"Sometimes the heart should follow the mind, and sometimes the heart should tell the mind to stay at home and stop interfering."

Edited December 9, 2005 by BoyNeedsTherapy

[NickolasJames8]

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It's that most

wonderful time

of the year

 

Dom's posting like mad lately, AND I LOVE IT! Thanks Dom!

 

Aaron is a master manipulator at getting what he wants. Luckily, Loyal Luke will be there to pick up the pieces when Aaron really screws over Rory. Luke has show his unconditional love/like of Rory.

 

Vic the Domaholic

I agree with you 51324243573546854357615765468 zillion %

[Alan]

Yeah... changing who you are DOES take work.

 

It doesn't just happen overnight... that said, Aaron is trying.

 

I agree Aaron is trying. I doubt we agree about what he is trying.

 

He can't just be after one thing from Rory. If he was, why on earth would they spend the day together? Why not just drag Rory back to his house in the first place?

 

Perhaps because even someone as inexperienced, vulnerable and clueless as Rory was beginning to work out that all that ever happened was Aaron promising to go slow while reaching for his cock?

 

I think Aaron has a real problem with being intimate after sex. It's almost like an emotional disconnect. Think about it - his parents think being gay is a terrible thing. They've tried to drum that into him. Maybe on some level he can't quite forgive himself for who he is.

 

You know, I've never ever heard of a gay kid with homophobic parents. I'm shocked to learn that it occurs in this one case. This totally unique circumstance of course explains and justifies everything that Aaron does.

 

If there was even one other gay kid facing homophobic parents without getting their boyfriend a criminal conviction, than this would be a different story.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 9, 2005 by Alan

[AFriendlyFace]

OK so this is possibly my favorite chapter yet, definitely my favorite of the last 4 or 5. Why? Because this chapter was 100% seth-free!! In fact I think they only mentioned the little creep's name 3 or 4 times. (HMM I wonder if I started referring to Seth as "Seth TLC" it would take off? )

 

Anyway I think another great aspect of this chapter is that Rory and Aaron didn't act like self-centered jerks the entire chapter. Rory actually handled stuff in a very muture healthy way. And Aaron outright apologized for his bad behavior with the ultimatium, AND opened up a little to Rory. And I don't care if it makes me seem nieve and gullable, I'm once again very sympathetic to poor Aaron's plight.

 

I think the trouble is that everyone (myself included) wants to either peg Aaron as "good" or "bad". The thing is it's just not that simple, it's not a black and white issue, it's definitely something with shades of gray. Aaron DOES have some good qualities. He's fun to be with, he CAN be very understanding, and he really does seem to be trying. But yeah he's definitely got issues too. Clearly he has some kind of intimacy stuff he needs to work out. He's also got quite a bit of junk with his family he needs to sort out. I mean just the fact that he thinks the way he and Cody treat each other is indicative of a pretty good relationship shows that he's got a messed up home life.

 

You know, I've never ever heard of a gay kid with homophobic parents. I'm shocked to learn that it occurs in this one case. This totally unique circumstance of course explains and justifies everything that Aaron does.

 

If there was even one other gay kid facing homophobic parents without getting their boyfriend a criminal conviction, than this would be a different story.

 

You know you're right Alan, Aaron isn't the only gay kid in the world to have homophobic parents, but that still doesn't ameliorate the situation. It's tough no matter what. It's like saying "well she's not the only one who ever lost her child in an accident", true, and perhaps some people handle it better than others, but I don't think it should be trivialized, you can never anticipate how someone's going to face a bad situation, it even varies for that same person depending on other circumstances. Yes Aaron messed up badly, yes he's not the only one to deal with this junk, but I think the fact that his parents sent him to a therapist who tried to implant false memories of molestation kinda qualifies as something tramatic which could easily screw with your head. And again I'm not even blaming his parents, I'm sure from their perspective they're trying to do what's best for him. It's all relative really.

 

I'm sure I'll take some flake for it, but I have a problem condemning most people's bad actions, no matter how messed up, or bad they seem, because quite frankly you never know exactly how they were feelings, or what they were thinking, or what experiences have led them to that point. That doesn't change the way the victims should feel. Luke has every right to feel betrayed and hurt by Aaron, Aaron has every right to feel demoralized by his parents, and Rory has every right to feel objectified by Aaron's lack of "intimacy" after they've messed around. They have every right to feel hurt and demand better treatment, but any fair evaluation should take the motives, thoughts, and feelings of the other people into consideration. LUKE should be mad about the way Aaron treated him, and I'd be mad too, and am mad "for Luke" as it were, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't try to understand how and why it happened. It's an over simplifaction to say that everyone who does something hurtful was acting out of purely EVIL movites, in fact I think that's very rare, most of the time if anything people are either being selfish, or think they're acting in the other person's best interest. This doesn't make it right, but let's try to at least understand it.

 

And of course I know I can take some heat over my intense "dislike" of Seth thus far, but that's just because too much is still mysterious about him, in fact I don't doubt at all that I'll feel more sympathetic towards him as soon as I have a reason to.

 

That said, I think I can identify more with Luke than anyone else in this chapter. That's EXACTLY how I handle stuff, and it probably isn't the best way. But yeah I'll basically get ticked off about something, be pissy and avoident for awhile. Then later on alone, I'll try to work out what the other person was going through, or figure out why they said/did that, forgive them, and then the next time I see them, I'll just be super friendly and nice, and act like nothing was ever wrong. I'm sure it's every bit as confusing as Rory was describing, but it definitely rings true in how I handle conflicts. LOL and I'm working on it, but like Luke, once I'm over it, or at least have come to terms with it, I'd rather just not bring it up again.

 

Ok maybe I'm a bit off, but when Rory and Aaron was talking about Aaron's parents and how they found out about Luke. I thought that took place on Sunday. Then on Monday, Luke came home and invited his friends over so they could plan the birthday party. Next Day Aaron and Rory goes to the water park which is Tuesday and then afterwards end up at Aaron's house.

 

Question. Why where they saying 'Yesterday' when Aaron told Rory about the parents finding out about Luke when in fact it happened 'the other day?'

 

Yep, you're right Bard, I noticed that too, drove me crazy lol.

 

I was also thinking wouldn't it be nice if after Aaron had dropped Rory off, if Rory could have gone in and said to Luke "hey Luke, when you were with Aaron, you ever notice he get's all detached and standoffish after he gets off?" LOL It would just be really funny and cool if they could talk about stuff like that. (NOT gonna happen I know)

 

Anyway take care everyone!

[Tempus-Fugit]

You know, I've never ever heard of a gay kid with homophobic parents. I'm shocked to learn that it occurs in this one case. This totally unique circumstance of course explains and justifies everything that Aaron does.

 

If there was even one other gay kid facing homophobic parents without getting their boyfriend a criminal conviction, than this would be a different story.

 

Funny.

 

If a little extreme. But you know what I mean. It's one possible reaction.

 

I'm not saying that's what happened, I'm just tempting out the possibility. When bad stuff happens to you, people react in different ways.

 

I happen to think I used to emotionally disconnect. It's not because my parents are homophobic, but because, something happened in the past which sorta forced me to disconnect from sexual gratification (and I'm not going into it now ).

 

I'm not emotionally disconnected anymore... But I certainly believe I lost something, and that I want to get it back, and slowly but surely, I'm getting there.

 

But my point is that people react in ways you can't expect.

 

And here's the crucial thing.

 

It is a hell of a lot easier to judge someone, than it is to try and understand them.

 

Aaron isn't bad. He isn't good. But then neither is Rory.

 

It's the flaws that make the characters.

 

If Rory and Aaron don't end up together, I can live with that. But I want them to learn from each other.

[glomph]

I think Aaron has a real problem with being intimate after sex. It's almost like an emotional disconnect. Think about it - his parents think being gay is a terrible thing. They've tried to drum that into him. Maybe on some level he can't quite forgive himself for who he is.

 

Aaron seems to have a real problem with being intimate during sex as well.

[Tim the Traveller]

heres what i think--it's really crappy of aaron(tls) to even want to continue to see rory knowing where he lives and whom he lives with, and knowing the stress its going to be causing because of who he is and his past with relatives that rory is just meeting.

 

i also think its really crappy of rory to continue to see aaron(tls) despite the fact that he pinned a felony charge on luke--there is nothing that could excuse something of that caliber, IMO. misdeameanor, maybe but not grand theft auto! and besides that, whats going to happen when eddie and/or jase find out?? chances are, shit will hit the fan and rory knows that along with luke and aaron(tls). talk about adding fuel to the fire of an already stressful living situation that is just starting to burn out! tls should just back off and stop kissing rory and having him blow him. but he wont do that because unlike luke, he has no class. hopefully rory will pull his head out of his ass and see that soon.

 

ok so thats all the voices in my head will let me share today--i hope it makes sense to someone besides me!! if not please excuse my rantings--i dont usually go that deep into things like that but it was really irritating me

Edited December 10, 2005 by Tim the Slut

[AFriendlyFace]

And here's the crucial thing.

 

It is a hell of a lot easier to judge someone, than it is to try and understand them.

 

Aaron isn't bad. He isn't good. But then neither is Rory.

 

It's the flaws that make the characters.

 

If Rory and Aaron don't end up together, I can live with that. But I want them to learn from each other.

 

Exactly!

[redlightfeeling]

Ok, first I think Aaron can change. He is someone who could be considered dangerous though. But I still think he's on his way to changing, maybe there just needs to be something big that will just slap him across the face and give him more reason to change. I think that reason will be Luke. I think Luke and Aaron will get back together. They still have SOMETHING for one another. So then that means theres only Rory and Seth, which I can't see hooking up. I just don't see Seth turning into a good guy. I guess he could be a good guy right now, but I just don't see it. Although his character isn't as developed as the rest of them, and we don't know much about him yet, so he could be a good guy. Also, I agree that this will be a pretty long story. That also means that there might still be time for him to introduce another character! Maybe even a knight in shining armor, like Luke. Oh that reminds me, I can't see Luke and Rory hooking up. It's been said before, they are practically brothers. I think they both are kind of attracted to one another, but that doesn't mean they HAVE to hook up. Its kind of an awkward situation. They are both gay, they are both new to eachother, but they're immediatly put into a family together? That doesn't leave a lot of room for anything. But I DO hope Luke gets a happy ending as far as relationships. As far as Aaron getting a happy ending, I don't really care. haha.

 

aww, thats mean. I feel guilty now.

 

Oh well.

 

THANKS DOM!

[glomph]

i also think its really crappy of rory to continue to see aaron(tls)

 

Exactly!

[somuchtolearn]

DD17......... definitely the best yet! Thanks Dom as usual.

 

I'm with the "Give Aaron the benefit of the doubt" faction, for 3 reasons.

 

1. Real life just ain't simple. Dom's stories reflect that (which is why they're so compelling). To pigeon hole Aaron as the BAD guy is too simplistic. Yeah, he's mixed up, yeah he's done stuff he's learning to regret, hurt other people bigtime, but most of us have from time to time!

 

2. For G*d's sake he's only a teenager, still learning about life, relationships, how to initiate and respond to sex and intimacy......... some of us are STILL learning at three times his age

 

3. He's obviously a hot young dude, so give him a break!

 

 

Still, gotta love Luke as ever. Definitely Knight in Shining Armour stuff. :sword: Love the way he cannonballs into the pool at the end of 17, and cuts through all the crap with Rory in between duckings. :snork: He's just amazing and I still kinda hope that he and Rory could end up together. He's kind, caring, incredibly good looking, well adjusted, deliciously at home wandering about the basement in the nude, and apparently content to let Rory take a few hints if he chooses to.....

 

Hey, Rory, wake up at take a long cool look at your housemate!!

 

Neil

[rknapp]

Wow, I should have finals and papers due more often. I go away for a little bit and return to not one, but TWO chapters! And SEX to boot!

 

Ok some basic thoughts: Aaron is an asshole for taking what he wanted and leaving it at that.

 

Luke is awesome and Rory has no idea what he has there. Maybe not a relationship, but definately the best friend that everyone wish they had.

 

Hmm, I will be gone for the most part until at least thursday for the rest of my finals, and then moving (for the most part) out of the dorm for a month of being a lethargic little shit when I'm not tearing up the Pocono's ... maybe there will another suprise of similar or better caliber?

[The Journeyman]

I'm sticking with my original assessment. Aaron is going to be the real hero in all of this, and earn his redemption. He will end up with Luke, because Luke and Rory are going to be just too close, after they have one, deliciously hot sex scene (maybe after the party where they both get tipsy), and decide they just can't do that. Jase, as I predicted, is going to be the strong parent in the whole situation, and will help Eddie learn how to deepen his relationship with Rory, too. Jase finally showed in this chapter the beginnings of that, and it was great.

 

I am having problems with Aaron: on the one hand, he's really being a jerk. On the other hand, I get the feeling there isn't much nurturing in the home, and I don't know that, in his middle-teeenage years, he has learned how to be a good human being. I think he's trying, and I want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

Rory is sort of in the same boat, but I think his mother taught him how to be good. He's just had so much thrown at him he's just now getting his equilibrium. Still, he needs to find some courage and start telling people exactly how he wants tob e treated, especially Aaron. Only in that way will Aaron learn how to win Luke back.

 

Whew. This is hard work!

 

TJ

[NaperVic]

[ ]

 

I think the only reason people are willing to stick with Aaron (TLS) and hope that he redeems himself is because he is hot.

 

If Aaron was fat & ugly, all you Aaron(TLS) backers would have dropped him a long time ago.

 

If you were to think with the upper head (you know the one above the shoulders), you'd see that Aaron(TLS) was and always will be a lost cause.

 

[ End ]

 

Vic the Domaholic

[Rocketcnj]

Am I the only one who is most annoyed at Rory? His passive agressive ways are driving me up the wall. To quote Dom from another story (Rory grow some you know what). I am questioning his values big time..its beyond the hormones issue...but I worry about him since he lets Aarron use him as a door mate and a sex toy (sorry for being so graphic) and he submits to it without question. It is at times that I wish he had more of Grandma Alice in him and he stands up for himself. He holds Eddie and Jase to strict standards of accountability about truth/honesty and even at one point Luke...but he lets Aaron walk all over him.

 

I doubt he would let any friend do that to him. I am still bugged that he has done nothing to stay in touch with his friends from back home (just a passing reference to them in this chapter...not even a call from him or email them or nothing.)

 

I am tired of hearing he is a teenager and still learning....because I look at Luke and even characters like Dave, who are teenagers yet have incredible qualities of friendship, loyalty, honesty, looking after each other. Rory seems to have inner conflicts about even expressing his feelings to Aaron...Aaron has figured out that by Kissing Rory it ends conversation and gets Rory where he wants him.....very frustrating to me that Rory hasn't figured this out yet. Raging hormones or not...do some thinking Rory instead of being passive and sleeping through life...ask questions....grrrrr!! I know he has core values..I am just wondering why they appear to me to be asleep.

 

I will keep the jury out on Aaron and Seth. But we know the most about Rory and he continues to disappoint me. (Ok what I know about Aaron makes me say run, run, run, but I am willing to keep an open mind since life does have many shades of grey and upbringings and how we are raised leads to often interesting and strange results...and I really don't believe we are learning the whole truth yet about Aaron...so far what I know I don't like..but I will stay open and see what happens.)

 

In some ways I understand Aaron, since, as was previously posted there are some guys who get their needs met then can't show an ounce of intimacy...sort of when the act is done, so are they with the person they are with. That is a separate issue as to Aaron's other issues. I am still not sure what to believe or not about him. Maybe his parents are the way he stated. But that has nothing to do with his lack of honesty in the car theft. He is looking out for himself and says so. Why can't Rory see that and why would he want to date or associate himself with someone with such values. In many ways, it leaves me upset with Rory and speaks to the type of person he is or fastly becoming. It almost scares me in the way he rationalizes away much of Aaron's actions rather then honestly confront him and ask simple questions. I sense that Rory has 'self worth' issues in feeling he isn't worthy to be treated decently.

 

I then see Luke, who has gone through many of the same things as Rory (loss of a mother, etc.) and yet he is honest, tells you what he feels and at the same time is even accepting of Rory's being with Aaron (as best as he can be accepting)

 

There is much to learn about Aaron and even Seth. It may be the way Aaron was raised...his brother seems horrible (a blackmailer..and Aaron sees that as a good brotherly relationship...hello, Rory, sirens should be going off in your head)...there is redeeming qualities to Seth (he loves and adores his little brother and you see the love for him in their interactions)

 

I agree with Friendly Face..I will keep a total open mind regarding Seth (we know little about him..just what Aaron tells us and how Rory is influenced by that and then Rory being passive agressive in dealing with Seth)

 

I am enjoying the story beyond belief since there are lots of shades of grey in all the events and characters. I also hope Dom develops more of the characters like Rick and Dave.

 

I also hope this will be a very long story..since each chapter brings tons of questions and more intrigue...it really is an amazing story.

[Tim the Traveller]

[ ]

 

I think the only reason people are willing to stick with Aaron (TLS) and hope that he redeems himself is because he is hot.

 

If Aaron was fat & ugly, all you Aaron(TLS) backers would have dropped him a long time ago.

 

If you were to think with the upper head (you know the one above the shoulders), you'd see that Aaron(TLS) was and always will be a lost cause.

 

[ End ]

 

Vic the Domaholic

 

Edited December 11, 2005 by Tim the Slut