The Great Mirror of Same-Sex Love - Prose - 98. Dupath Manasikathwaya "Ananda Loved Gautham like a spouse"

Very interesting.

On 7/19/2023 at 9:37 AM, ReaderPaul said:

Very interesting.

Thanks, ReaderPaul. Truth is, if I personally summarized the obvious Gay relationship between Jesus and his boyfriend -- as stated canonically, in the Gospels themselves, without any speculation at all -- but only going by what has been accepted as religious doctrine sine the 300s AD -- I would lose friends who cannot handle the truth. Even a fact as obvious as Christ on the cross telling his mother to accept his partner as her son now; and for his beloved to accept Mary as his own mother, and look after her once Jesus was gone. 

Yes, if I spoke five lines like the above entry on the Buddha, heads would explode in an orgy of denial   

@AC Benus, regarding John accepting Mary and vice versa, the four brothers of Jesus listed by name in the New Testament rejected Jesus, and so Jesus knew he should look elsewhere for her future care.  Whatever else went on can be speculated about in great detail.  John is described in several places as "the disciple that Jesus loved."

An even more obvious same-sex pairing is David and Jonathan in the Old Testament.  In First Samuel chapters 18, 19 and 20 the story of Jonathan and David plays out.  But at that time the societal pressure to procreate and increase the population was so strong that, they both had to marry women and sire children.  If my memory is correct, David had 23 wives and at least 40 concubines.  I'm not sure how many wives and concubines Jonathan had.  Deniers try to say that the love of David and Jonathan was all on a spiritual level, but there was much more than that, in my opinion.

17 minutes ago, ReaderPaul said:

@AC Benus, regarding John accepting Mary and vice versa, the four brothers of Jesus listed by name in the New Testament rejected Jesus, and so Jesus knew he should look elsewhere for her future care.  Whatever else went on can be speculated about in great detail.  John is described in several places as "the disciple that Jesus loved."

An even more obvious same-sex pairing is David and Jonathan in the Old Testament.  In First Samuel chapters 18, 19 and 20 the story of Jonathan and David plays out.  But at that time the societal pressure to procreate and increase the population was so strong that, they both had to marry women and sire children.  If my memory is correct, David had 23 wives and at least 40 concubines.  I'm not sure how many wives and concubines Jonathan had.  Deniers try to say that the love of David and Jonathan was all on a spiritual level, but there was much more than that, in my opinion.

John is traditionally shown as the man standing beneath the cross with Mary -- an iconic image seen all across America, and clearly one of same-sex love if the eyes are open. As I say, that Jesus had a partner in the sense of boyfriend (as per the Greek originals of the Gospels) is canonical and beyond any doubt or debate.

However, whether or not John was the BF is a matter for research. The Book of John itself refutes this understanding, as Jesus' boyfriend is mentioned in the book as being among the ones seeing him after resurrection, when he appeared to fishermen -- where both John and the BF are listed separately.

The only male in New Testament Jesus is said to have been in love with is Lazarus. This is why he was so upset to return to Jerusalem and find him dead; and why he brought him back to life.

I would direct you to reading Theo. Jennings' excellent survey of New Testament material in "The Man Jesus Loved" (Cleveland 2003), and the same author's analysis of Old Testament same-sex love in "Jacob's Wound" (New York 2005)      

14 minutes ago, AC Benus said:

     John is traditionally shown as the man standing beneath the cross with Mary -- an iconic image seen all across America, and clearly one of same-sex love if the eyes are open. As I say, that Jesus had a partner in the sense of boyfriend (as per the Greek originals of the Gospels) is canonical and beyond any doubt or debate.
     However, whether or not John was the BF is a matter for research. The Book of John itself refutes this understanding, as Jesus' boyfriend is mentioned in the book as being among the ones seeing him after resurrection, when he appeared to fishermen -- where both John and the BF are listed separately.
     The only male in New Testament Jesus is said to have been in love with is Lazarus.  This is why he was so upset to return to Jerusalem and find him dead; and why he brought him back to life.
     I would direct you to reading Theo. Jennings' excellent survey of New Testament material in "The Man Jesus Loved" (Cleveland 2003), and the same author's analysis of Old Testament same-sex love in "Jacob's Wound" (New York 2005)      

Thanks for the leads on the books.  I have also heard it postulated that John Mark (instead of John) was the BF.